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Forum: Site Goals and Ideas
Thread (Discussion): What about minor's who are sex offenders
Message 146549
fair is fair
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 05, 2005 07:32 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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An issue has been raised behind the lines this evening.
How should we as a forum deal with those under 18 who are RSO's? Should they be allowed to post to the other side and general forums once we know of thier status? Now before some of you go off on some tanget, Im talking about 16+ teens who committ rape, child molesting
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Message 146555 (In Reply to Message 146549)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 05, 2005 03:29 PM | Also by dp1
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I won't post in a forum that allows contact between sex offenders and minors. And as far as RSOs under the age of 18 as long as they are not in contact with adult RSOs, pedophiles or victims I could care less.
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Message 146557 (In Reply to Message 146549)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 05, 2005 04:29 PM | Also by orolan
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How should we as a forum deal with those under 18 who are RSO's?
Treat them as the adults the system seems to believe they are.
Should they be allowed to post to the other side and general forums once we know of thier status?
Absolutely.
Personally I won't respond to their posts, because I'm not allowed to. But not everybody here has such a restriction.
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Message 146559 (In Reply to Message 146549)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 05, 2005 04:55 PM | Also by dp1
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You know when Mr. Texas posted and respectfully said his goodbyes we began a discussion about whether this site was healthy or not as a result of his therapist thinking that is wasn't and basically told him not to come here.
It's not about what's fair and what isn't. It's about what's healthy IMO. If unhealthy boundaries are established then nothing positive can possibly come from the discussions. I believed the boundaries were healthy before not realizing or seeing how disturbing it is to think of the possibility of a minor RSO posting in the victim's forum. Catering to underaged RSOs at the expense of insulting victims and allowing them to validate with adult RSOs is BEYOND unhealthy.
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Message 146562 (In Reply to Message 146549)
Posted by steve
on Mar 05, 2005 06:44 PM | Also by steve
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I moved this to the Site Goals and Ideas forum because that's the best place for this thread.
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Message 146563 (In Reply to Message 146559)
Posted by steve
on Mar 05, 2005 06:52 PM | Also by steve
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Catering to underaged RSOs at the expense of insulting victims and allowing them to validate with adult RSOs is BEYOND unhealthy.
I agree. And I don't know if waterberg is a RSO (or SO or pedophile). In any case, certain behavior isn't to be tolerated in the Victims and Survivors Corner forum, regardless of the age of the poster. I already took responsiblity for allowing his posts (I haven't removed them b/c any damage that was done can't be erased). The question of who should be permitted to post to specific forums and under what circumstances is one that will need to be periodically addressed. It's been a few months since we've done so, so let's do so again *constructively*, with the opinions and logical reasoning of all that want to discuss. That's why I moved this thread to this forum from the Victims and Survivors Corner forum.
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Message 146564 (In Reply to Message 146549)
Posted by steve
on Mar 05, 2005 06:56 PM | Also by steve
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How should we as a forum deal with those under 18 who are RSO's? Should they be allowed to post to the other side and general forums once we know of thier status?
I'm ok with changing restrictions if they 1. don't interfere with the comfort, security and benefits to victims and those who are trying to protect and inform themselves and their loved ones and 2. it won't be a logistical and time-consuming nightmare to implement and manage effectively.
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Message 146565 (In Reply to Message 146557)
Posted by steve
on Mar 05, 2005 07:04 PM | Also by steve
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Personally I won't respond to their posts, because I'm not allowed to. But not everybody here has such a restriction.
If everyone was forthcoming about their age, RSOs were forthcoming about their restrictions and users who are pedophiles would acknowledge their attraction and all would be willing to have their user account tagged appropriately, I could prevent inappropriate, unpermitted and risky contact by limiting posting and PMing the same way that is currently being done for minor users in general (who are limited to posting in Victims and Survivors Corner and PMing user admin).
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Message 146589 (In Reply to Message 146565)
Posted by brennus
on Mar 06, 2005 04:10 AM | Also by brennus
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If everyone was forthcoming about their age, RSOs were forthcoming about their restrictions and users who are pedophiles would acknowledge their attraction and all would be willing to have their user account tagged appropriately, I could prevent inappropriate, unpermitted and risky contact by limiting posting and PMing the same way that is currently being done for minor users in general (who are limited to posting in Victims and Survivors Corner and PMing user admin).
Maybe instead of having an age bracket, you should have their actual ages listed, for example, instead of my age being listed from 20-29, it can be listed as 24 or even 9-26-80. As for restrictions that RSO's may have, you should have a form on each person's profile stating if they are a victim, RSO, or other, and what type of special supervision conditions if applicable. There should also be a form (used mainly by victims) similar to those found on dating sites to ignore messages when people don't wan't contact with a particular screenname.
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Message 146594 (In Reply to Message 146564)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 06, 2005 04:59 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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this thread simply underscores an increasing problem within our society. Minors who commit adult crimes. we place the minors on state registries without any regard as to who may do what with the information obtained from viewing said website, so why should this forum be any different? What I dont want to see is another set of disturbing comments made on a thread after a victim and thier family have endured the rigors and tribulations of a trial and have had to deal with a sex offense in thier lives. When I was a minor, I may indeed have been helped had I seen beforehand the results of my conduct in my early adult years. Yes I was abused as well, but can honestly say that I can see this issue from both sides of the table. No sane person would want to have a minor negatively influenced by another RSO, but then again, we have to decide how we want to treat an offender who simply happens to be a minor, but an offender just the same. The courts did not have a problem calling him a sex offender and punishing him just as an adult, so why should any of you have a problem with an teen offender if the ultimate goal of this site is to offer constructive help and positive points of view and just maybe a way to reach a teen offender so that they can see the true harm of thier actions and make an attempt to change
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Message 146620 (In Reply to Message 146594)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 06, 2005 02:50 PM | Also by dp1
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if the ultimate goal of this site is to offer constructive help and positive points of view and just maybe a way to reach a teen offender so that they can see the true harm of thier actions and make an attempt to change.
I would love to see positive points of view from RSOs that would encourage a teen offender to make an attempt to change. Go back in the General Forum and the other side forum and count all the negative posts and tell us if that would be healthy for a teen and possibly promote change.
Throughout the history of the forums there's been quite a lot of angry posters and general pedo rhetoric supporting and empathizing RSOs. RSOs have the right to speak their mind even if we don't agree or even if we think they are angry or deviant. Personally, I think it's healthy for RSOs to verbalize thier anger and work through it. I know others may disagree. However, it's certainly not a healthy environment for a minor - I think we can all agree on that.
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Message 146621 (In Reply to Message 146589)
brennus
Posted by dp1
on Mar 06, 2005 02:56 PM | Also by dp1
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Back to the truth issue Brennus. Do you honestly think sex offenders who are not supposed to have contact with children and want contact are actually going to admit they are not allowed to have contact? My oh my, it's time for a wake up call, no?
Disclosing date of birth is personal information and should not be disclosed in my opinion. RSOs already have issues with the registry. I doubt they'd purposely disclose thier correct date of birth and or age for all to see on this site.
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Message 146650 (In Reply to Message 146621)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 06, 2005 09:20 PM | Also by orolan
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Do you honestly think sex offenders who are not supposed to have contact with children...
I believe 1Dad said this in his post:
"I'm talking about 16+ teens who commit rape, child molesting"
Minors, yes. Children, not by a long shot. If they are 'children', how can they be rapists and child molesters? Like I said, if the system treats them as adults, no reason we shouldn't as well.
...and want contact are actually going to admit they are not allowed to have contact?
We've seen plenty here who have done just that. Hell, I love being around children. And I admit that I'm not allowed unsupervised contact. So why is it so hard for you to grasp?
My oh my, it's time for a wake up call, no?
Sure is, so grab another cup of coffee. You need it. You act as if this forum is like Yahoo, with 150 teen chat rooms full of vulnerable kids just ripe for the picking. I don't ever recall seeing an RSO post elsewhere on the Net that sexcriminals.com was a great place to meet and talk with children.
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Message 146651 (In Reply to Message 146559)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 06, 2005 09:30 PM | Also by orolan
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I believed the boundaries were healthy before not realizing or seeing how disturbing it is to think of the possibility of a minor RSO posting in the victim's forum.
Clue me in. What is so horrible about a minor RSO posting in V&S that isn't present when the RSO is an adult?
Catering to underaged RSOs...
Catering to them? You're implying that 1Dad has asked that Steve grant unfettered and complete access to all minor RSO's. Granting them the same privileges we adult RSO's have, with the same restrictions on posting location and content, is hardly 'catering'.
allowing them to validate with adult RSOs is BEYOND unhealthy.
Validate what? That they committed a crime, that they need to accept their offense, that they need to apply themselves in therapy, that they need to work on ways to not repeat the offense, etc? Yep, let's give them all the validation they can get in that respect.
You just don't want the adult RSO's telling them how f**ked up the system REALLY is, right? Or telling them they're getting screwed by useless bus stop laws, registries, proximity laws, etc?
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Message 146652 (In Reply to Message 146620)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 06, 2005 09:42 PM | Also by orolan
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It's all in what side you're on. To me, a post that would be negative, harmful and empathetic to an RSO would be a post that told him (or her) that raping a 9 year-old was OK and they shouldn't have gone to jail for it. I went looking for one of those, and couldn't find one. Care to tell me where it is?
A positive post would be one that is instructional or informative. Doesn't matter if it is advice on finding a new therapist or a discussion on the idiocy of bus stop laws.
RSOs have the right to speak their mind
Unless they're under 18, right? Then they have to keep their mouth shut?
Personally, I think it's healthy for RSOs to verbalize thier anger and work through it.
Again, unless they're under 18, right? Then it is far healthier for them to carry it all inside them, festering and smoldering?
However, it's certainly not a healthy environment for a minor
Being an RSO in the first place isn't healthy for a minor. I think we can all agre on THAT.
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Message 146659 (In Reply to Message 146650)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 07, 2005 02:16 AM | Also by dp1
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You act as if this forum is like Yahoo, with 150 teen chat rooms full of vulnerable kids just ripe for the picking.
Oh, not at all. You must have misunderstood. This site is filled with registered sex offenders, child molesters and pedophiles.
'Nuff said.
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Message 146660 (In Reply to Message 146651)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 07, 2005 02:42 AM | Also by dp1
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You just don't want the adult RSO's telling them how f**ked up the system REALLY is, right? Or telling them they're getting screwed by useless bus stop laws, registries, proximity laws, etc?
They can read the existing posts and and form their own opinions. But I'm curious, how could it be a healthy thing for young RSOs to be told by older RSOs that the system sucks and they are getting screwed? Has it ever occured to you that not all people share your views? With all due respect Orolan, your eagerness to spread negativism particularly to minors is quite disturbing.
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Message 146661 (In Reply to Message 146652)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 07, 2005 04:10 AM | Also by dp1
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Unless they're under 18, right? Then they have to keep their mouth shut?
They don't have to keep their mouths shut. All they need to do is find a good therapist or discuss their issues with their parents. Clearly you're not saying they should post about their crimes in the victim's corner. Please tell me you weren't thinking that. And I know you don't think pedophiles and RSOs should be mingling with minors on a web site.
Again, unless they're under 18, right? Then it is far healthier for them to carry it all inside them, festering and smoldering?
It's never good to stuff. This is why therapists make the big bucks. It may not be a bad idea for young RSOs to find a good role model either. I hope you aren't suggesting pedophiles and sex offenders should pose as role models for our young offenders. Where's HP and WMBBS when you need them? As much as they love children I'm sure they'd jump at the opportunity. Wouldn't that be swell? Or how about our other folks in the other side forum struggling with relationships with minors, devaint thoughts and telling the truth? And if all else fails maybe you can jump in an whine about the registries, idiotic politicians and a screwed up system and recommend leaving the country to get away from it all. Puleeze Orolan.
Sexual deviants have an interest in having contact with children and non-RSOs have an interest in protecting minors. There's no compromise here even for minors with special RSO status. You're operating in the grey area and it's a black and white issue if your goal is to maintain healthy boundaries. We've come a long way on this site as far as making it a safe place for all concerned, why screw things up now?
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Message 146664 (In Reply to Message 146661)
Most Important
Posted by dp1
on Mar 07, 2005 05:00 AM | Also by dp1
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Main Issue: How is allowing RSOs under the age of 18 to post going to help victims of sexual abuse?
Let's see how many victims or families of victims would say that it would help them if minor RSOs posted in the General or other side. How many victims would enjoy reading posts with angry adult RSOs whining to junior RSOs about the registries? How many victim's would enjoy reading about a teenager who raped their baby sister? How many victims would enjoy reading about how a minor RSO blamed his parents or baby brother for his offense? Or how many non-RSOs would enjoy the typical pedo-talk rhetoric like mr. waterbug and hear how the system victimized the perp.
Help me out here. Throw me a bone.
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Message 146708 (In Reply to Message 146660)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 08, 2005 12:51 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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I honestly dont think Orolan is spreading anything that isnt true and accurate. As a matter of fact, we can always depend on him to give us factual and accurate statistics that can be backed either by the referencing article or a valid published scientific study.
Anyone with half a brain can figure out that our modern justice system is severely flawed, is subject to undue influences, back door deals and created numerous job opportunities for attorneys needing work. try and go into a court room without a lawyer. Youre going to be told more than once that you need a lawyer, some judges in my county will not even hear a case unless you have an attorney. I went to court today on a matter against a police officer and won again, they had 2 attorneys who seemed more upset that some attorney didnt get paid to represent my case instead of worrying about how i actually won the case. poor guy's gonna get a 2 week unpaid "vacation" now.
Point is, its corrupt as hell and very biased. unless one fights back, they will try and walk all over you. Thank God we still have Juries, the only part of the legal system that isnt corrupt.
Another thing that some of you fail to realize is when these kids commit a sex crime such as rape or assault at 16+, they deserve to be treated as adults. period Some of you seem to think they are victims that need to be protected, bah humbug I say
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Message 146722 (In Reply to Message 146664)
Not That anyone cares
Posted by momto2girls
on Mar 08, 2005 03:26 AM | Also by momto2girls
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I just didnt figure that I was as fluent as all of ya'll when it came to typing out how I felt about Waterbergs posts in the V&S Corner...
I for one was horrified that he was allowed to post after the the first time and after I allowed you all to share in what happened at my brothers trial, he defended my brother till the thread ended. I am his sister and can defend him to a POINT>. but...He was still wrong and waterberg was continually allowed to post supernegative comments..It was already a hard week for me to deal with and when I needed support the most I had to deal with some smartmouth kid...I had been dealing with a smartmouth kid for a year and to come to the forum that I thought was a good support for me and be bombarded by hate and discontent for the justice system here in my town that this kid could do nothing about dissappointed me immensely.
Mom
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Message 146738 (In Reply to Message 146722)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 08, 2005 07:12 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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What I think Dp1 and some others are forgetting is that these 16+ year old sex offenders were not treated as minors, they were charged and convicted as ADULTS. There is a clear difference that some of you are trying not to notice. i dont think that some parents are going to even let a convicted rapist at 17 back into thier home, much less want to talk about it with them. Most of these offenders probably can tell some of us a thing or two. Gees, why cant some of you see that they are NOT victims that need to be protected. I mean, really DP1, whats the difference between a 17 year old offender and an 18 year old offender other than a few months. The mindset is still the same. The age shouldnt matter. An offender is an offender is an offender. Are we to believe that 16 year olds who gang rape a defenseless 12 year old deserve ANY pity?
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Message 146745 (In Reply to Message 146738)
let me clarify
Posted by momto2girls
on Mar 08, 2005 08:16 AM | Also by momto2girls
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I wasnt defending the fact that they are children in general...I was saying that IMO that if you are old enough to know to know right from wrong I see NO PROBLEM with trying them as adults...you read in the paper everyday that 12-17 year olds are being tried as adults and I have faith in a system that will only allow heinous crimes commited by minors to be charged as adults.
For example...My brother was 14-16 when he commited these acts against my daughter and tried at 17 as an adult..it was the act that he commited that I feel he was tried as an adult for not the fact he is a few months shy of being 18.
Im a unique case because I feel that my brother is still my brother regardless of what he has done to me my daughter or my family...you just dont turn the love that you have for someone after 17 years off and on...I am not saying he is a victim by no means, but I feel that without a support system in place that he has nothing to look forward too when he gets out...Its not that I am trying to protect my brother I am trying to give him love and support that he needs in order to keep another mother from enduring the things that I have over the last year. Trusting him around my children is not an option...NO WAY NO HOW..but loving him and giving him my support yes...I will do that...
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Message 146749 (In Reply to Message 146738)
Dad
Posted by dp1
on Mar 08, 2005 02:13 PM | Also by dp1
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You're covering the same ground as we did in discussions with minors posting in general. However, now you're asking for a waiver of the rules based on special RSO status. If it's not healthy for children to comunicate with pedophiles and sex offenders then how does the special status of RSO change that premiss? And how would allowing minor RSOs to post in general of the other side help victims? Stay focused now and don't get emotional. This is a VERY serious boundary issue that you're willing to cross. Obviously, people on the other side don't mind crossing that boundary and can justify it. But, the rest of us respect the 18 and older thang. You are asking victims and non-RSOs to cross the line. How dare you?
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Message 146750 (In Reply to Message 146745)
Mom
Posted by dp1
on Mar 08, 2005 02:45 PM | Also by dp1
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And how would you feel about your brother posting on these forums? Do you think bitter victims of sexual abuse would welcome him with open arms and offer him the support he would need to promote change? Do you believe the other side forum could help by sympathizing with his sexual desire for children and porn? Or how about the general forum where we can all jump in and slam him, hey that might work, eh?
Unless someone can see a benefit to minor RSOs posting or offer some compelling reason on how it would help victims, I am at loss as to why we are wasting our time even discussing this. Still scratching head.
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Message 146751 (In Reply to Message 146708)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 08, 2005 03:01 PM | Also by dp1
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I honestly dont think Orolan is spreading anything that isnt true and accurate.
Hey, watch it. Orolan is like my favorite RSO. I wouldn't want to see him 5 times a month face-to-face or anything (lol), but he does a super job presenting the other side perspective which is most appreciated.
If you placed a glass half filled with water on the table, Orolan would say it was half empty and I would say it was half full. His lenses are grey and mine are rosey. Does it mean either side is right or wrong? No it doesn't. It's all how you look at things.
I have spent a lot of time working in the system. There is no question whatsoever the system is not perfect. Why? Because the system is operated by people. Does that mean the system sucks because some people suck? No it doesn't. If I had the same thought processes as you and Orolan I could say that all RSOs suck and will reoffend based on the fact that some reoffend. Do you honestly think Orolan would let me get away with saying ALL RSOs WILL reoffend and we should hang them in your square? I think not and rightfully so.
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Message 146752 (In Reply to Message 146750)
Posted by Valerie
on Mar 08, 2005 03:10 PM | Also by Valerie
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I agree with DP1....I spent alot of time last night just reading various post....alot of it was very insightful...especially info on the rules and regulations offenders are going thru or may have to go thru....but this forum is much more than that....its filled with anger and resentment from all sides...not everyday but lets face it "you see it your way, I see it mine" is the motto....minors on this site? No...there is a place for these people but not here....
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Message 146762 (In Reply to Message 146749)
stil missing my point
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 08, 2005 05:51 PM | Also by 1dadof5
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you're still missing the point. we are not talking about the average minor here. we are not talking about minors who are victims either.
We are talking about offenders who have CHOSEN to be adults by committing the very crimes that all of us despise. They didnt just steal a candy bar from the grocery. They have raped and or other heinous acts, but yet you still fail to see them as anything else other than children who need to be protected. from this forum? puleese!
If they were under your supervision, DP1, would you cut them any slack if you had a 17 year old double rapist? I would hope that you would treat them the very same way as you would treat a 37 year old offender. A Convicted sex offender who simply happens to be under 18 shouldnt be posting in victims forum because the chances are very great that they have no kind of remorse, and probably DO need to be beat up on in the General and other side forums by those who DO know better. They need to see how damaging thier actions are to society as a whole. I doubt that Orolan, silverthorne or myself is going to cut a youthful rapist any amount of slack as you are insinuating here. I would think being told how wrong they are by someone who has walked in thier shoes will bear much more weight in thier minds than from any one else simply because a RSO isnt going to be looked upon by these youthful offenders as a "better than you" type of person.
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Message 146763 (In Reply to Message 146750)
DP
Posted by momto2girls
on Mar 08, 2005 06:09 PM | Also by momto2girls
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And how would you feel about your brother posting on these forums?
I definately would not like him posting here regardless of his age because of the crimes he has committed against my daughter. His ideas and views and reasoning as to why he committed these acts are preposterous.
Do you think bitter victims of sexual abuse would welcome him with open arms and offer him the support he would need to promote change?
No they wouldnt and shouldnt tolerate a SO or RSO. If they want to offer support thats the victims choice, just like it is mine.
Do you believe the other side forum could help by sympathizing with his sexual desire for children and porn?
I think sometimes that is the most absurd concept of allowing a bunch of so,rso's and pedo's congregate so they can all sympathize with each other. all be it some have given me a good insight into how they think.
Unless someone can see a benefit to minor RSOs posting or offer some compelling reason on how it would help victims, I am at loss as to why we are wasting our time even discussing this.
I see absolutely no point or advice or anything actually that a minor RSO can give me that would change my opinion of them...even a sympathizer like waterbergs posts angered me immensely..
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Message 146771 (In Reply to Message 146660)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 08, 2005 08:06 PM | Also by orolan
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Has it ever occured to you that not all people share your views?
So tell me. How many of your clients are thrilled at all the conditions they have, are truly thankful that you'll bust them for the slightest transgression, and really see the benefit of bus-stop laws, registries with dead people on them and laws preventing people with 20 year-old convictions from walking past the park?
I have yet to meet such an RSO.
With all due respect Orolan, your eagerness to spread negativism particularly to minors is quite disturbing.
I think I already pointed out that I won't be communicating with them. So I don't see any 'eagerness'.
This is an open forum, and a 16 year-old can read everything on it, negative or not. And none of us will EVER know it happened. So why is it suddenly a 'problem' for that 16 year-old if they're given the ability to respond?
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Message 146772 (In Reply to Message 146738)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 08, 2005 08:08 PM | Also by orolan
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Are we to believe that 16 year olds who gang rape a defenseless 12 year old deserve ANY pity?
Where she comes from they get to plead to child abuse and get fined.
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Message 146773 (In Reply to Message 146751)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 08, 2005 08:19 PM | Also by orolan
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If I had the same thought processes as you and Orolan I could say that all RSOs suck and will reoffend based on the fact that some reoffend.
Bravo. You're getting closer:-))
You see, that is the prevailing attitude that a juvenile RSO sees and hears. From the media, from his PO, from the neighbors, from Laura Ahearn, ad infinitum.
YOU know it isn't true. WE know it isn't true. Doesn't the minor have a right to know it as well? Who's going to tell him?
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Message 146774 (In Reply to Message 146722)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 08, 2005 08:22 PM | Also by orolan
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waterberg was continually allowed to post supernegative comments.
And here I had it backwards this whole time. Silly me, I thought the idea was to protect the minors from negativity.
I didn't get to read his posts, so I don't know what was said. Judging by the reactions it wasn't very nice. Thing is, was the problem waterberg's AGE, or his attitude?
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Message 146776 (In Reply to Message 146750)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 08, 2005 08:40 PM | Also by orolan
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I know you addressed this to Mom, but the questions are quite compelling, if not contradictory.
Do you think bitter victims of sexual abuse would welcome him with open arms and offer him the support he would need to promote change?
Do they offer it to adult RSO's? Does it matter one way or another how old the RSO is when it comes to how victims perceive them?
Do you believe the other side forum could help by sympathizing with his sexual desire for children and porn?
Excuse me? Sympathy? Like I said earlier, you act as if us RSO's sit in the Other Side trading ideas on how to obtain victims and molest them, or what the hottest websites are this week. What ARE you smoking? There is a HUGE difference between telling an RSO "Oh, you like 9 year-olds? That's cool. Personally I like 5 year-olds, but to each his own."; and telling him "You're a pedophile and you can't change that. But with therapy and hard work you can control it.".
Or how about the general forum where we can all jump in and slam him, hey that might work, eh?
Slam him? Why would you do that? I thought we had progressed beyond that childish behavior from you non-RSO's?
Unless someone can see a benefit to minor RSOs posting...
Don't be so quick to put the whole ultimatum in your court. Can you show us a clear detriment?
or offer some compelling reason on how it would help victims
And The Other Side helps victims how? My presence here helps victims how? It isn't all about helping victims as a whole. It's also about helping individual victims. The minor RSO had a victim. Whatever we can offer to an adult RSO that will help them in developing remorse and empathy will work equally well with a minor.
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Message 146778 (In Reply to Message 146774)
Posted by myoung
on Mar 08, 2005 10:36 PM | Also by myoung
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Thing is, was the problem waterberg's AGE, or his attitude?
Hard to tell....maturity, experience and attitude are all intimately tied together. His "thinking" was off. His vantage point seemed tainted somehow.
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Message 146794 (In Reply to Message 146773)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 09, 2005 04:31 AM | Also by dp1
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Doesn't the minor have a right to know it as well? Who's going to tell him?
What are you saying? Did you have the opinion that ALL RSOs suck and reoffend before you came to this forum? Is this forum the only place that has the opinion that not all RSOs reoffend? Shoot, if that's the case then I must be guilty of minimizing as well:-)
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Message 146795 (In Reply to Message 146771)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 09, 2005 04:45 AM | Also by dp1
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So tell me. How many of your clients are thrilled at all the conditions they have, are truly thankful that you'll bust them for the slightest transgression, and really see the benefit of bus-stop laws, registries with dead people on them and laws preventing people with 20 year-old convictions from walking past the park?
I have yet to meet such an RSO.
Don't go there Orolan. Complaining (aka whining) doesn't make matters any better. We don't have control over the rules. All we can do is follow them. Is there any other choice? As Director of the Sexcrims Whining Department that might be a hot issue for you, but it sure as heck doesn't rank right up there in the top 10 prioroites of a junior RSO now does it?
I think I already pointed out that I won't be communicating with them. So I don't see any 'eagerness'.
But other RSOs and pedos will. And if your conditions of supervision changed tomorrow don't even try to lie and say you wouldn't communicate with a minor even if it was ok for you to do so.
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Message 146797 (In Reply to Message 146776)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 09, 2005 05:01 AM | Also by dp1
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Can you show us a clear detriment?
It's crystal clear Orolan. People on the Other Side obviously have an interest in wanting to have contact with minors and Non-RSOs have an interest in protecting minors from people who have abused children, have tendancies to abuse children and could use their influence to corrupt them.
Which part of No Contact With Minors are you not seeing clearly? And why would you promote contact with minors knowing full well people on the other side have a clear history of abusing their trust with minors? Have all the RSOs and pedos on this forum turned over a new leaf? Did you discover a miracle cure for pedophilia? Please do tell all.
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Message 146798 (In Reply to Message 146762)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 09, 2005 05:04 AM | Also by dp1
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we are not talking about the average minor here.
Nope. We are talking about people under the age of 18. Do the math. If he's 17 and under then forget about it. I know this is a really hard concept for people on the other side to grasp.
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Message 146804 (In Reply to Message 146752)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 09, 2005 06:19 AM | Also by dp1
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minors on this site? No...there is a place for these people but not here....
No kidding. If the only people in favor of having minors on this site are people that have a history of deviancy or sex abuse convictions then it's pretty clear, eh? What else needs to be said?
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Message 146812 (In Reply to Message 146549)
Posted by valdosta2
on Mar 09, 2005 12:39 PM | Also by valdosta2
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for the sake of skepticism: was this a minor unaware of forum politics?
didn't he seem awfully familar? like some one who knows his way around transperant proxies and the rules of this particular forum? like someone who would not dare post in the victim forum under his normal guise?
i beg all gentle pardons, but seriously, did not any of you think it was odd that this 'minor' appeared suddenly, under proper forum rules, to randomly debate a sex offender case that was very clearly the entire fault of the youth offender?
gak, i'm speechless. IPs, even hidden under fifth degree proxies, are easy to trace. this is an unworthy subject for the virtuous and the sincere to debate - he's a troll, donning underage clothing. imo.
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Message 146816 (In Reply to Message 146812)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 09, 2005 02:15 PM | Also by dp1
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True. Waterbug spoke like a true professional sex criminal who's been through the system once or twice. It's not even believable that his attitudge would have been soured to that degree in less than 18 years. Either he was an adult RSO or possibly he's spent a substantial amount of time chatting with real adult pedos or RSOs elsewhere. There's a certain ring to pedo rhetoric and he had it down pat without question. However, even if he wasn't really a minor there is still a possibility that minor RSOs may in the future want to post. In light of that, it wouldn't be wasted time IMO exploring the possibility of minors posting in the future.
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Message 146842 (In Reply to Message 146812)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 09, 2005 11:42 PM | Also by orolan
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Interesting and plausible. I can't judge it, because the posts were gone well before I could read any of them. V&S is not my regular hangout, so entire discussions pass without a look from me.
Curious why you bring up proxies though. Was there some discussion where waterberg bragged about hiding behind them?
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Message 146848 (In Reply to Message 146842)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 10, 2005 02:39 AM | Also by dp1
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Was there some discussion where waterberg bragged about hiding behind them?
No there wasn't. But the familiar pedo rhetoric was uncanning. You would have been proud how he bashed the criminal justice system and painted the picture of a minor RSO as the victim of the system. It was perfect. Normally, it takes at least 2 or more convictions or some substantial amount of prison time to get that level of professional criminal thinking. God help the children if he really was a minor with that type of criminal mind.
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Message 146957 (In Reply to Message 146772)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 11, 2005 09:10 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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well of course they do, so we are only going to give you 6 months in juvi for your first 3 offenses, after all, you're only a minor
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Message 146958 (In Reply to Message 146848)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 11, 2005 09:13 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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I read these posts and cant help shaking my head. Some of you just don’t get it. Your posts are minimizing A teen’s potential to be a criminal and to be responsible for their actions.
I say “we are not talking about the average minor here.” and Dp1 says “Nope. We are talking about people under the age of 18. Do the math. If he's 17 and under then forget about it. I know this is a really hard concept for people on the other side to grasp.”
What’s apparently really hard for some of you to grasp is the concept of Teens committing heinous crimes.
We have a minor who just got 30 years on a plea at 15 freaking years old! “oh, we might corrupt this poor minor’s brain if he was on the forum here” what?? Do you think his mindset is ANY different from a sex offender who just because of being born 30 years earlier, happens to be 35 instead? Not a chance.
“well maybe he is only pretending to be a minor because how could they think like that ?“. Are you guys living on Jupiter or what? Some of today’s teens HAVE been through the system 3 or more times by 17 years old. They may possibly have been convicted 3 times as a juvenile for a sexual offense and know the system. If they weren’t getting little slaps on the wrist simply because they are a “poor minor who just doesn’t know any better”, they might just learn their lesson the first time because they got some good hard YEARS to remind them everyday that they committed a very serious crime.
Lets face it folks, times have changed and left some of you back in “happy days”. Its time to come to grips with the fact that offenders are getting younger and younger and if you keep minimizing their crimes simply because they are minors and treat them differently because of a number, then you have issues to deal with.
That 17 year old lost the chance to be a “minor” when he/she chose to commit an adult crime with adult consequences. They are definitely not going to be taken advantage of by a pedophile, why? Because some of you seem to forget than more often than not anymore, THEY ARE THE PEDOPHILE, they are NOT going to be taken advantage of by a sexual predator on sexcriminals.com because they ARE THE SEXUAL PREDATOR.
Oh, I forgot, they’re only minors and so its all just a bad dream and when I wake up it will be back to normal when only those at least 18 years old commit sex crimes and are predators and pedophiles.
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Message 146964 (In Reply to Message 146958)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 11, 2005 02:27 PM | Also by dp1
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What’s apparently really hard for some of you to grasp is the concept of Teens committing heinous crimes.
I've seen this line of thinking in more than one thread. Is there a certain post or remark that lead you to this irrational conclusion? And if so, can you tell us how this relates to RSOs and pedos having inappropriate contact with minors? Thanks.
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Message 146998 (In Reply to Message 146964)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 12, 2005 04:14 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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Is there a certain post or remark that lead you to this irrational conclusion? .
its not irrational to see the simple fact that more and more teens are commiting violent crimes. look up the stats for yourself. its a freaking epidemic. its irrational to think that this is NOT happening
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Message 147001 (In Reply to Message 146998)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 12, 2005 04:26 AM | Also by dp1
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its irrational to think that this is NOT happening.
Yes indeed. And who are these people that think this is not happening? Forgive me, I work in law enforcement. I don't know people like this. I there someone in this forum that thinks this way?
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Message 147005 (In Reply to Message 147001)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 12, 2005 05:37 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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there must be some who are sympathetic to minors who offend, otherwise this thread would not have received this many posts.
im still saying when you commit a violent crime like rape or child molesting, you give up the right to be treated as a child anymore
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Message 147051 (In Reply to Message 147005)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 12, 2005 05:11 PM | Also by dp1
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Of course. The criminal justice system is most certainly set up with youthful offender facilities and programs. What's your point? Do you oppose special youthful offender laws and programs designed for young adults and teens?
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Message 147066 (In Reply to Message 147051)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 12, 2005 09:19 PM | Also by 1dadof5
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Of course. The criminal justice system is most certainly set up with youthful offender facilities and programs. What's your point? Do you oppose special youthful offender laws and programs designed for young adults and teens?
As a matter of fact, yes I do oppose programs that minimize violent crimes. The best youthful offender programs should be more commonly reffered to as PRISONS because thats where they belong.
Some of you have the attitude of this: "so what if you brutally raped a 10 year old and left her for dead, you arent responsible for that because you're only 17years 10 months old, and therefore arent responsible for what you did. after all you are still a child."
Its time to let go of all that nonsense that older teens cant be responsible for thier actions other than to go to some mansy-pansy
'youth offender facility" where they are coddled and told "im so sorry your enviroment and poverty MADE you act out like this, what welfare programs can we get you on to insure that you stay in the system until you die" thinking all this time that this RAPIST is a victim.
me beating head on brick wall wondering what planet im on and being really glad that my state puts these teenagers in Prison for 30 years where they belong when they commit such henious acts
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Message 147074 (In Reply to Message 147066)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 12, 2005 11:59 PM | Also by dp1
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me beating head on brick wall wondering what planet im on and being really glad that my state puts these teenagers in Prison for 30 years where they belong when they commit such henious acts
Are there states that don't? Still scratching my head because I haven't a clue about what you are saying. I am not aware of any states that won't venture to try minors as adults and sentence them with adult sanctions when warranted.
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Message 147078 (In Reply to Message 146659)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 13, 2005 01:53 AM | Also by orolan
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So tell me. What's the difference between a 17 year-old registered sex offender-child molester-pedophile and an 18 year-old of the same description beside the year of their birth?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Message 147079 (In Reply to Message 146661)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 13, 2005 02:00 AM | Also by orolan
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And I know you don't think pedophiles and RSOs should be mingling with minors on a web site.
This is the underlying problem with the entire issue. You see distinctly different groups. One is sex offenders and pedophiles. The other is minors. What we're talking about here is MINORS who are SEX OFFENDERS. There is only one group....offenders. The question is, should offenders be excluded from participation strictly because of their age?
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Message 147080 (In Reply to Message 146797)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 13, 2005 02:07 AM | Also by orolan
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Non-RSOs have an interest in protecting minors from people who have abused children
To the extent that you even want to protect minors who have themself abused children? WOW!
Which part of No Contact With Minors are you not seeing clearly?
Once again, I have no intentions of communicating with them.
Did you discover a miracle cure for pedophilia? Please do tell all.
Didn't find a cure, but I have learned you can't 'be' a pedophile until your 18 except in the courtroom when the judge is giving you 20 years for diddling a 9 year-old. Here, you have to be an adult.
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Message 147087 (In Reply to Message 147078)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 13, 2005 04:03 AM | Also by dp1
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What's the difference between a 17 year-old registered sex offender-child molester-pedophile and an 18 year-old of the same description beside the year of their birth?
Gosh. That's a tough one. One is a minor and one is an adult. Uh, one is one year younger than the other..Gee, did I pass the test? Wouldn't it be nice is RSOs could do the same?
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Message 147089 (In Reply to Message 147079)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 13, 2005 04:06 AM | Also by dp1
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The question is, should offenders be excluded from participation strictly because of their age?
Absolutely not. We should never exclude offenders. We should only exclude minors. You're catching on fast.
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Message 147092 (In Reply to Message 147080)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 13, 2005 04:13 AM | Also by dp1
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To the extent that you even want to protect minors who have themself abused children? WOW!
On second thought, let's take these immature perverts and throw them to the wolves. What the heck. I'm thinking you don't think minor RSOs need protection. Hmmm. Interesting. You may qualify for a job at the jimmy Ryce Facility with that attitude. It appears they don't favor protecting anyone either. Many folks who USED to work for DJJ and DCF had that same attitude as well.
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Message 147118 (In Reply to Message 147074)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 13, 2005 08:09 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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I am not aware of any states that won't venture to try minors as adults and sentence them with adult sanctions when warranted..
it sounds "warranted" to me if they are going to rape and kill.
But then again, a chemical reaction occurs at the same minute they turn 18, making them much smarter and responsible than they were only seconds before and still just a child
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Message 147119 (In Reply to Message 147092)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 13, 2005 08:15 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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On second thought, let's take these immature perverts and throw them to the wolves. What the heck. I'm thinking you don't think minor RSOs need protection. .
not when these minor RSO's are on thier third victim because we havent done anything to curb thier already 4 year long criminal career, but hey one more chance before they turn 18, maybe the juvenile system will work this time. you know, third times a charm
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Message 147120 (In Reply to Message 147089)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 13, 2005 08:18 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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Absolutely not. We should never exclude offenders. We should only exclude minors. You're catching on fast..
I think I got it now. Minors cant be offenders because they are victims and the 11 year old he raped is just a youthful indiscretion
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Message 147133 (In Reply to Message 147119)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 13, 2005 03:13 PM | Also by dp1
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not when these minor RSO's are on thier third victim because we havent done anything to curb thier already 4 year long criminal career, but hey one more chance before they turn 18, maybe the juvenile system will work this time. you know, third times a charm.
So the ole Lolita Theory should be applied to the forums as well? Which would be; as long as the minor is tainted or corrupt then it's ok. We can agree that innocent minors don't need to be here since we don't want to take responsibility for corrupting them initially, but all those tramps, sluts, crooks, whores, etc... let's have a field day boys!!!
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Message 147139 (In Reply to Message 147080)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 13, 2005 04:56 PM | Also by dp1
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Once again, I have no intentions of communicating with them.
Gotcha. And if you were the highest risk offender on this forum it would be comforting to know this information. Considering you are NOT the highest risk offender here (just my opinion and feel free to prove me wrong) the unadorned thought that you are willing to promote contact between riskier offenders and minors is inscrutable.
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Message 147149 (In Reply to Message 147087)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 13, 2005 09:07 PM | Also by orolan
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I would think you would have realized that 'besides the year of their birth' meant what difference is there other than their age.
Still waiting, but not expecting a valid answer.
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Message 147150 (In Reply to Message 147092)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 13, 2005 09:13 PM | Also by orolan
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I'm thinking you don't think minor RSOs need protection.
Don't even try to turn this one around. They need protection alright. From people like you, who feel they should be on a registry for the rest of their life, barred from ever having children of their own, barred from ever going to the park, barred from ever getting one dime of public assistance for college, etc.
You're the one fighting so hard to keep these minor RSO's from being able to speak out here on a public forum about their issues and problems. Why do you want them muzzled? What are you afraid of?
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Message 147151 (In Reply to Message 147139)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 13, 2005 09:23 PM | Also by orolan
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the unadorned thought that you are willing to promote contact between riskier offenders and minors is inscrutable.
Funny how you can only see things from one side. When you walk through a door and look back the other way, you must see nothing but a void.
I'm not pushing for adult RSO's to be allowed to communicate with minors here in this forum. I'm pushing for minor RSO's to be allowed to communicate with whoever they wish here. Consider that you non-RSO's far outnumber us RSO's here, and any given thread is liable to have 6 posts by a non-RSO for every post by an RSO.
So who are you protecting these minors from? Us? Or yourself?
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Message 147152 (In Reply to Message 147120)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 13, 2005 09:24 PM | Also by orolan
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Now you're talking, 1Dad. What about it DP1? Does he have it right? I'll buy into this one.
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Message 147153 (In Reply to Message 147089)
Posted by orolan
on Mar 13, 2005 09:27 PM | Also by orolan
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Absolutely not. We should never exclude offenders. We should only exclude minors. You're catching on fast.
Cool. You have to be 18 to be a sex offender.
Tell that to the 43 states that post minors on their SEX OFFENDER REGISTRY. They've made a serious mistake. They've put non-offenders on their. Better tell the courts as well. Minors can't commit sex offenses.
Tell that to the mother of that little baby who was raped by the 15 year-old boy.
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Message 147160 (In Reply to Message 147149)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 14, 2005 12:05 AM | Also by dp1
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but not expecting a valid answer.
Of course not. If you believed in the validity of the concept that people under 18 are minors you wouldn't be a RSO. Duh!
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Message 147161 (In Reply to Message 147150)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 14, 2005 12:12 AM | Also by dp1
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Why do you want them muzzled? What are you afraid of?
I never said I wanted them muzzled. All they need to do is find an appropriate forum. This one isn't. What am I afraid of? I am afraid minors wouldn't find the role models they so deparately need in thier lives. Considering most of the men on this forum have abused or fantasize about abusing I'm afraid the only non-deviant role models would be the women. Considering most of the women in the forum have either been abused or are family of victims or abusers I'd hardly think that would be helpful at all.
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Message 147162 (In Reply to Message 147150)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 14, 2005 12:19 AM | Also by dp1
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Don't even try to turn this one around. They need protection alright. From people like you, who feel they should be on a registry for the rest of their life, barred from ever having children of their own, barred from ever going to the park, barred from ever getting one dime of public assistance for college, etc.
Now don't get emotional on me Orolan. If a minor RSO was convicted as an adult and is still under the age of 18 all the usual SO rules and laws would apply. I can't change that or turn the clock back. And neither can you. Directing your anger towards me serves no purpose nor does it change a darn thing. I am not responsible for someone's crime nor am I responsible for the SO laws and rules of probation. So get over it.
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Message 147163 (In Reply to Message 147151)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 14, 2005 12:22 AM | Also by dp1
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I'm not pushing for adult RSO's to be allowed to communicate with minors here in this forum.
Yes you are. You are now saying you want to waive the rule in favor of the offender; however, you have yet to explain how this would benefit anyone. So why would anyone in their right mind consider this?
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Message 147164 (In Reply to Message 147152)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 14, 2005 12:28 AM | Also by dp1
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I never said minor offenders ARE victims. Can they be victimized or corrupted? Sure. This is why it's important for them to have strong role models in their lives. Do I consider sex offenders and pedophiles good role models for any minor? No I do not. Are there exceptions? Can a sex offender be a good role model? Sure. They are hard to find. Sexcriminals.com would not be the first place I'd look for a good role model for children. Catch my drift?
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Message 147165 (In Reply to Message 147153)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 14, 2005 12:30 AM | Also by dp1
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This post is too irrational to respond to. Orolan, are you ok?
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Message 147167 (In Reply to Message 147151)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 14, 2005 01:00 AM | Also by dp1
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Funny how you can only see things from one side. When you walk through a door and look back the other way, you must see nothing but a void.
It's hard to believe you'd post such a comment. If anyone in this forum can see both sides that would be me.You are confusing a difference of opinion with what you perceive as a lack of empathy.I can see very clearly why a RSO would want any type of minors to post. I choose to have the opinion that it is a VERY bad idea.
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Message 147181 (In Reply to Message 147165)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 14, 2005 04:18 AM | Also by 1dadof5
| Gender: Male,
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State: Indiana,
Country: United States |
Oh heck, Cant be letting any corruption go on. letting minor RSO post here IS a bad idea, they might get ahold of an unsuspecting adult RSO and rape and kill them, that would definately corrupt a kid if that happened. But then how would we charge that dead adult RSO for his crime of communicating with a minor?
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Message 147187 (In Reply to Message 147181)
Posted by dp1
on Mar 14, 2005 04:37 AM | Also by dp1
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I'm still waiting for you guys to tell us who will benefit from their presence..........I'll be patient 'cause I know it'll take a while to dig up something:-)
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Message 147197 (In Reply to Message 147118)
enough is enough
Posted by 1dadof5
on Mar 14, 2005 07:20 AM | Also by 1dadof5
| Gender: Male,
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State: Indiana,
Country: United States |
Ok, Enough already. We’re going to have to agree to disagree on this one simply because there is some aspects of the issue in which people are different socially and morally. All of us have different standards and impressions on the same issues where there is simply no giving in on this particular issue on either side of the fence. Most of it bears down to a number which qualifies one as being lawfully entitled to drive, vote, engage in consensual sex acts and drink alcohol. In this particular case we are talking about Sex offenders of 16+ who have committed a sex based crime and have been required to register as a sex offender, and not children. There are indeed very touchy issues regarding the culpability of these particular aged offenders in regards to understanding their offense, how they should be treated for those offenses.
I don’t think any of us will dispute that 2 16 year olds having consensual sex and a 16 year old raping someone, (regardless of age, but especially a baby or small child) especially violently, are entirely 2 different things. The latter needing a long prison sentence (read 20-life), and the former (2 16yo’s)
Simply being in the wrong state sometimes, don’t need to be considered sex offenders.
When it comes to teen sex offenders (I mean the molesters and rapists) an arbitrary number shouldn’t decide whether a person gets 20 months detention or 20 years prison time. In the real world, there is no difference in the thought process of a teen 17.5 years old or 18.1 years old, and this factor needs to be remembered when determining the fate of these offenders. Way too often, these kids get off | | |
