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Thread (Discussion): What happens to offenders when they get out - orolan
Message 173103
How can they start a new
Posted by Kracker
on Feb 11, 2006 07:41 PM | Also by Kracker
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: Oregon,
Country: United States |
My son is being released in April. For a sex crime. This 14 yr old hung around with the older boys 17-20yr olds. My son took a liking to her and well now hes paying for it. They will not let him leave the county he is in .due to he is a high risk. There is nothing for him there His gang and a girl who says she will make sure he goes back. No job no home. What is he to do will the state help him get back on his feet or are they gonna send him out for the wolves. I fear for him
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Message 173119 (In Reply to Message 173103)
Extreme Alternative
Posted by Renunciation
on Feb 12, 2006 01:22 AM | Also by Renunciation
| Gender: N/A,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: N/A,
Country: Bahrain |
Kracker,
Consider packing up your son, yourself, and your entire family and leaving the United States.
Quietly sell off all your possessions, get passports, learn a new language and make plans to leave. Once there, renounce your citizenship and never come back, ever.
He can then live a normal life. Help him make better choices in your new nation.
Most of the people in the world live everyday outside the USA and live in a lot less fear than most Americans. In fact people outside the United States are more scared OF the United States than they are of anything else.
Leave and many of us will see you there.........
Renny
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Message 173121 (In Reply to Message 173103)
kracker
Posted by poetsdreamscape
on Feb 12, 2006 01:45 AM | Also by poetsdreamscape
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the first thing he needs to do is become involved in some sort of project to keep him away from those that want to create a problem for him. There are many organizations that he can volunteer with to make new freinds and open doors for prospects of employment. If he has a prospect for work and a place to live in another county he can be tranfered by court order if need be.
He needs to forget he is a registered sex offender and move on with his life but do what he is required by law. We all make mistakes no doubt but if you allow it to hang over your head you are doomed to fail and will see a jail cell again.
I am certain that if he chooses he can find a job and a place to live though it will be difficult. Keeping positive and re enforcing a positive attitude will help him go a long way. he should also learn how to file cival lawsuits on his own. There's a lot of info out there that he can use and file as many lawsuits as he can in his free time if he is harrased or violated in anyway by anyone.
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Message 173158 (In Reply to Message 173103)
Posted by orolan
on Feb 12, 2006 03:48 PM | Also by orolan
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Country: United States |
They will not let him leave the county he is in .due to he is a high risk.
Who made this determination that he is high-risk? The decision last year in VLY v Board of Parole in Oregon held that an offender must be granted a hearing to present evidence and arguments before being classified as high-risk. The decision went on to say that the risk decision should not be based on the offender's prior actions but on his current situation. Since he's still inside it is impossible to decide under current situation that he will reoffend. That decision can't be made until he gets out.
will the state help him get back on his feet
Nope. The state won't lift a finger. Their sole aim is to get him sent back to prison. Don't ever forget that. No matter how nice or helpful or concerned the PO appears to be, don't turn your back on them. They want your son back in prison at any cost. It's their job.
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Message 173228 (In Reply to Message 173119)
a little off topic.
Posted by Quest
on Feb 13, 2006 10:57 PM | Also by Quest
| Gender: Male,
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State: Minnesota,
Country: United States |
Me and the IRS I like really close pals. Do you have any info on the Ukraine?
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Message 173229 (In Reply to Message 173103)
Posted by Quest
on Feb 13, 2006 11:08 PM | Also by Quest
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Minnesota,
Country: United States |
This sounds like thesort of thing where the state has conveniently provided a means for young girls to take revenge on the BF who jilted them. What caused the charges to be filed?
How long was your son in jail? What did you mean by the girl making sure he will go back? To prison?
A complete story would be good. On one hand I do not like any men taking advantage of women by promising romance in exchange for sex. I don't believe that this is the way it usually happens though. I think they both fall in romance more often then not. But I believe this should be a civil matter not a criminal matter.
Some one has to step up to the plate here and challenge these stat rape laws. They are barbaric, chauvinistic and harmful to both parties.
Not to mention that they completely confuse and confound the efforts to stem real child molestation and real rape.
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Message 173236 (In Reply to Message 173158)
classification process
Posted by relativ17
on Feb 14, 2006 03:19 AM | Also by relativ17
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State: N/A,
Country: United States |
My grandson been incarcerated in a youth facility since he was 16. He has been convicted as an S O & his case is being appealed. He has always maintained his innocence. He’s been in a treatment program where he labeled as “in denial” because he maintains his innocence. He is expected to be released soon, when he turns 18. He doesn’t want his time extended but he also doesn’t want to jeopardize his appeal. When he leaves he will be forced to register. He is very concerned for his & his mother’s safety. He wants to know what’s involved with the classification process.
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Message 173241 (In Reply to Message 173228)
THE Ukraine?!
Posted by Renunciation
on Feb 14, 2006 03:50 AM | Also by Renunciation
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Age Bracket: N/A,
State: N/A,
Country: Bahrain |
Oh Questy, We completely destryed a thread about how "the" is added to a nation's name.
I do believe 1dadof5 can give you a great deal of info about Ukraine.
Renny
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Message 173275 (In Reply to Message 173158)
Hello Thanks for the support and info
Posted by Kracker
on Feb 14, 2006 08:04 PM | Also by Kracker
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Oregon,
Country: United States |
My son went to jail July 10th He will be released at the end of April. Coos county PO said he was at high risk. He wrote the girl a letter asking her to leave his adopted family alone. She calls them and tells them how she will make sure he returns to prison. Thats why the consider him high risk. Thats what they tell me. So he can like go to talk to a judge about it ? The PO say is not the last say?
I know the state wants to see him rot in jail but I have to do something to change that
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Message 173305 (In Reply to Message 173229)
So they have to let him talk to a PO board
Posted by Kracker
on Feb 16, 2006 06:30 PM | Also by Kracker
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Oregon,
Country: United States |
The PO from Coos County is who said he was high risk for being transfered. He has been in Jail since July. Now he is going through a state of depression in Prison Because he knows If he can't get out of that County his life is over. Taking him out of this contry sounds better and better everyday
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Message 173332 (In Reply to Message 173275)
Kracker
Posted by dp1
on Feb 18, 2006 12:53 AM | Also by dp1
| Gender: Female,
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State: Florida,
Country: United States |
Whether he is high risk or not shouldn't be an issue. Offenders get transfered interstate and intrastate every single day and their risk is not a stopper. Besides the PO saying he was high risk, did the PO say whether or not he would work on the transfer paperwork?
Don't get caught up with the "high risk" label. It means different things to different people. For example, technically I am considered a high risk Officer. My Department considers sex offenders and early release offenders high risk. It doesn't mean that I only get assigned the high risk sex offenders.(level 3 or predators). A high risk offender to a PO means something totally different than what a sex offender thinks of as high risk. Bottom line, it has nothing to do with tranfers. As a matter of fact, Interstate Compact even transfers sex offenders from state to state to include high risk sex offenders. If the PO gives him resistance with his transfer, contact his supervisor. You'd be better off talking to someone with a clue anyway.
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Message 173333 (In Reply to Message 173305)
Posted by dp1
on Feb 18, 2006 12:57 AM | Also by dp1
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
The PO from Coos County is who said he was high risk for being transfered.
This statement is nothing but garbage. The PO will either do the paperwork for transfer or he won't. His opinion about the offender's risk is not an issue nor is it relevant to his eligibity for transfer.
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Message 173336 (In Reply to Message 173305)
kracker
Posted by poetsdreamscape
on Feb 18, 2006 02:47 AM | Also by poetsdreamscape
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Country: United States |
The judge is the one who determines what he can and can not do no one else and will set it as part of his record that he has to live by. Im sure the judge would look at it in a favorable light if he has a job and housing in place prior to being released
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Message 173387 (In Reply to Message 173336)
Posted by dp1
on Feb 19, 2006 12:40 AM | Also by dp1
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
I agree Poet. If the PO doesn't do the transfer then he needs to go back to Court and get the Judge to order it. This one's a no brainer. If there is reason for him not to be in the existing county and he'd thrive somewhere else then he needs to go. Period. There is nothing in the interstate compact either in regards to not being able to transfer out of state due to high risk. Some Judges do require the offender to get permission before they leave the state. I was just wondering in this case. Does he have a condition to get Court approval before transfering? It's worth checking before the Court date is set.
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Message 173410 (In Reply to Message 173241)
Living in Ukraine
Posted by 1dadof5
on Feb 19, 2006 06:16 AM | Also by 1dadof5
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Indiana,
Country: United States |
Hey, my new adopted "homeland" is an excellent place to relocate to. I am actually looking forward to retiring(again)to there VERY soon as I already have a home there. Let me know whatever info you need about living in Ukraine and I will answer you.
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Message 173434 (In Reply to Message 173410)
Posted by Renunciation
on Feb 19, 2006 05:37 PM | Also by Renunciation
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Country: Bahrain |
Oh I can promise you.......... Ole Renny WILL be contacting you about moving to Ukraine, just as soon as I wrap up my supervision.
If the wife and her new/old flame (former DIA/NSA operative) do not "whack" me first. LOL
The hopelessness and lack of future plans as simple as graduation finally wore her down.. she is back to contacting super-spy guy...........
Where did I put that list of Colombian friends I made............ hehehe.
Oh well......... as long as they make it quick........... 44 to the head, none of this arsenic or antifreeze crap. Especially not dimethylmercury..... yuck.
Ukraine................. sigh...............
Do they give full citizenships too?
Renny
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Message 173436 (In Reply to Message 173332)
Interstate Compact
Posted by Renunciation
on Feb 19, 2006 05:45 PM | Also by Renunciation
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Country: Bahrain |
I got lucky..........
My transfer took less than a month!
One guy, in the room next to mine at the tax-payer funded hotel (LOL) was trying to get to Florida, Tampa in fact.
He was there when I got out, had been there 4 months, eating, drinking and sleeping on the taxpayer dime, not ALLOWED to get a job for it would mess up his transfer to FL!
He was still there just shy of a month later when I boarded the plane for CA!
Here is the odd thing..... he was fed in addition to the room. I was not given any food allowance. I ate lawn and tried to snare rabbits for the first two weeks. The hotel owner and I worked a deal where I would clean rooms all day in exchange for one meal and a ride when I was ready to leave. This other cat, he lounged in his room all day, every day(minus our daily check-ins of course) eating like a king!
The PO we checked in with said different people get different benefits... I ask you DP1.......... he was going to FL, I was going to CA.... our crimes were wildly different, he makes the websites, I dont..... how did he get food and I had to eat lawn? I never did get a good answer and I was scared to raise too much fuss, lol.
R
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Message 173442 (In Reply to Message 173436)
Ren
Posted by dp1
on Feb 19, 2006 06:11 PM | Also by dp1
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Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
What are you talking about?
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Message 173457 (In Reply to Message 173442)
DP1
Posted by Renunciation
on Feb 19, 2006 11:27 PM | Also by Renunciation
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I already forgot...............
Oh........ demons awaiting transfer approval receiving free rooms, some also get money for food, others do not.
R
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Message 173577 (In Reply to Message 173436)
Posted by orolan
on Feb 21, 2006 05:46 PM | Also by orolan
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Country: United States |
My transfer took less than a month!
That long:-))
I was sentenced at 10:25 AM. Had to be at the PO's office by noon. I was there for about 45 minutes to fill out some paperwork and then was told I had until 6 PM to be out of the state. I crossed the state line at 5:45 PM.
7 hours and 20 minutes after the gavel hit the bench I was gone:-))
Of course it took the paperwork 3 1/2 months to catch up to me. 14 weeks that I was completely unsupervised and unknown as a sex offender in my area. Imagine all the heinous crimes I perpetrated undetected while I flew under the radar:-)) For some reason nobody EVER reported them. Go figure.
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Message 173609 (In Reply to Message 173577)
Orolan
Posted by dp1
on Feb 22, 2006 03:00 PM | Also by dp1
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
Interstate Compact has very specific rules in regards to emergency reporting instructions (in other words can leave right away). If the state of destination does not give the sending state reporting instructions right away then obviously the application has to be submitted and the offender has to wait until a response comes back. This can take anywhere from 30-90 days.
Orolan, I have no idea how many crimes you perpetrated while your paperwork got stuck in the system.[lol] However, regardless of missing paperwork, Interstate Compact does have rules about reporting arrival. Obviously, if you arrived in a state that should have been reported to the originating state regardless of the paperwork mix up. As a matter of fact, at the time of your arrival not only did the PO have a responsibility to report your arrival within 24 hours, but he/she should have also notified the sentencing state that he did or did not receive the paperwork or whatever the mix up was. There's no excuse for the sending state for not speaking up about the receiving state not reporting arrival either. Makes no sense. In other words, if I prepare a transfer packet and send an offender off on his merry way across the country I'd expect some confirmation on the other end that he arrived safely - if I do not receive confirmation I would inquire and if no response get a warrant for a missing sex offender - this is a no brainer.
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Message 173682 (In Reply to Message 173609)
Posted by orolan
on Feb 24, 2006 12:09 AM | Also by orolan
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State: N/A,
Country: United States |
I think my initial transfer predates that policy. In fact I know it does. The revised Compact wasn't adopted until 1999-2000. Situations like mine are why it was amended to require actual acceptance BEFORE the offender hits the road:-))
It's certainly an improvement over the original 1937 version. But as we both know, it's only as good as the pencil-pushers in charge of seeing that it is properly followed.
(And for the record, I was a good boy and didn't reoffend while unsupervised)
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Message 173707 (In Reply to Message 173682)
orolan
Posted by dp1
on Feb 24, 2006 03:09 PM | Also by dp1
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State: Florida,
Country: United States |
(And for the record, I was a good boy and didn't reoffend while unsupervised)
I'm sure that's the case. I just can't figure out how you survived without supervision. Not having a PO all that time to further screw up your case must have been hell.....and you had nothing to complain about except the cops doing home verifications who thought you were lying about being on probation with permission to have a teen daughter in your home. Geez, Orolan - maybe you need double secret probation to straighten you out. Know what I mean?
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173103, Kracker, Feb 11, 2006 07:41 PM [How can they start a new]
173119, Renunciation, Feb 12, 2006 01:22 AM [Extreme Alternative]
173228, Quest, Feb 13, 2006 10:57 PM [a little off topic.]
173241, Renunciation, Feb 14, 2006 03:50 AM [THE Ukraine?!]
173410, 1dadof5, Feb 19, 2006 06:16 AM [Living in Ukraine]
173434, Renunciation, Feb 19, 2006 05:37 PM
173121, poetsdreamscape, Feb 12, 2006 01:45 AM [kracker]
173158, orolan, Feb 12, 2006 03:48 PM
173236, relativ17, Feb 14, 2006 03:19 AM [classification process]
173275, Kracker, Feb 14, 2006 08:04 PM [Hello Thanks for the support and info]
173332, dp1, Feb 18, 2006 12:53 AM [Kracker]
173436, Renunciation, Feb 19, 2006 05:45 PM [Interstate Compact]
173442, dp1, Feb 19, 2006 06:11 PM [Ren]
173457, Renunciation, Feb 19, 2006 11:27 PM [DP1]
173577, orolan, Feb 21, 2006 05:46 PM
173609, dp1, Feb 22, 2006 03:00 PM [Orolan]
173682, orolan, Feb 24, 2006 12:09 AM
173707, dp1, Feb 24, 2006 03:09 PM [orolan]
173229, Quest, Feb 13, 2006 11:08 PM
173305, Kracker, Feb 16, 2006 06:30 PM [So they have to let him talk to a PO board]
173333, dp1, Feb 18, 2006 12:57 AM
173336, poetsdreamscape, Feb 18, 2006 02:47 AM [kracker]
173387, dp1, Feb 19, 2006 12:40 AM
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