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Thread (Discussion): The Truth as Indicated by True.com - Green Sheet
Message 169399
2006 is the year for change - for hope
Posted by Renunciation
on Dec 13, 2005 08:12 PM | Also by Renunciation
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http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/internetprivacy/2005-12-12-online-dating-checks_x.htm
True.com is using American Fear to enhance business competition for online dating sites.
Match.com and others oppose the legislation to require background checks for online dating sites. Their position is that forcing background checks create a false sense of security. We, sex offenders, have heard and stated this many times before concerning certain legislation efforts, especially the banishment and exile laws crossing the country.
The article goes on state that In 2001, 1.6 million people subscribed to an online dating site, says Andrew Peach, research director for Jupiter Research, an Internet market research company in New York City. By 2004, there were 4.7 million subscribers.
That is amazing growth!
Entrepreneurs reading this will have a clear idea where I am headed.
The http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crs.htm U.S. Department of Justice • Office of Justice Programs reports that there are 71 million criminal(felon) records in the United States. They do state that some individuals may have records in multiple states.
A criminal history record describes any arrests and subsequent dispositions attributable to an individual
Lets say, for this discussion that 21 million of those records are redundant when considering the individual. Somewhere there may be an exact number of Felons in the USA.
That leaves 50 million felons in the United States.
Everyone deserve to have someone who loves them and the chance to find that someone. True.com has officially stated that felons are not welcomed in the American Society they wish to legislate.
I propose we create a new society to take advantage of the technology available today. A Felon-welcomed dating site. It would be for felons to meet each other or a place for Felons to be contacted by people who lack the Felon-Fear gene.
Background checks would not be required because there is no veil of secrecy, members are at the site because they are felons looking for people who are part of our new society.
There would be some ground rules, like any dating site. All felons would be welcome, including sex offenders. However fugitives would not be welcome, only people who have served their incarceration time. Parolees and Probationers are welcome.
Membership fees would be on a sliding scale relative to the status of the applying individual.
Non-Felons = $50 per month
Blue-Collar felons = $40 per month
Non-Weapon Felons = $30 per month
Violent Non-Sexual Felons $20 per month
Sex Felons = $10 per month
Murderers = $5 per month
We would use True.com’s marketing strategy and manipulate the media perfectly. We would use the words exclusion, exile, banishment and phrases like “cast out” and other terms that would be humorous to non Felons. Felons however would understand and hopefully seek out a place where they would feel welcome, outside of True.com and American society in general.
We outnumber the population of many countries and we have a level of power and we allow our shame and secrecy of our past to prevent us from flexing that power.
If 10-30% of felons in the US were to join, the site would be a success. There would also be looky-loos, people who were curious, some of these would be the people who spend hours staring at the RSO websites. We would get at least month out of them, maybe more with automatic billing like other sites use!
It is time to recognize the truth, and ironically it is a business called True.com that is telling the truth. Felons are not welcome in America, they are not part of society and it is time for Felons to unite and create their own society, their own networks, jobs, cities and create their own self-sufficiency. Trying to succeed in current American society is part of what leads to the high recidivism rates, we simply cannot overcome the legal discrimination we face, so we turn back to crime. True.com deserves to be recognized for exposing this truth, that felons are no longer welcome.
A Felon friendly dating site would be catalyst for a uniting movement, a movement that will offer success and pride, and most of all, hope. Felons, discuss this with your families and loved ones and bring them into the fold. There are plenty of sites and businesses and organizations that exclude us, isn’t it time we exclude “them?” The time has come for change, we have the numbers, we have lost most hope, it is time Felons. 2006 is the year of change.
“And from them a leader arose, and he led them to salvation.”
Renny
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Message 169421 (In Reply to Message 169399)
Posted by orolan
on Dec 14, 2005 02:22 AM | Also by orolan
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Truly amazing. I read that story in the print issue of USA Today at lunch and had the same thought. An online dating service that catered to people that the other services shun. They think they want just the "beautiful people", never stopping to think that a "normal" person who must resort to the Internet to get a date has some serious issues beyond a shoplifting conviction;-))
Let's fire it up. MainSqueeze.com
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Message 169515 (In Reply to Message 169399)
Darn Tootin'
Posted by june5
on Dec 15, 2005 03:50 AM | Also by june5
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Renny, you rock!
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Message 169660 (In Reply to Message 169421)
MAINSQUEEZE.COM
Posted by Renunciation
on Dec 16, 2005 11:35 PM | Also by Renunciation
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Taken:
Domain Name: MAINSQUEEZE.COM
Registrar: DOMAINDISCOVER
Whois Server: whois.domaindiscover.com
Referral URL: http://www.domaindiscover.com
Name Server: NS.BUYDOMAINS.COM
Name Server: THIS-DOMAIN-FOR-SALE.COM
Status: REGISTRAR-LOCK
Updated Date: 02-dec-2005
Creation Date: 01-dec-1999
Expiration Date: 01-dec-2006
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Registrant:
RareNames, WebReg
4200 Wisconsin Ave NW
Washington, DC 20016-2143
US
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
RareNames, WebReg
4200 Wisconsin Ave NW
Washington, DC 20016-2143
US
202-478-0990
202-478-0990 [fax]
brokerage@buydomains.com
Domain created on 01-Dec-1999
Domain expires on 01-Dec-2006
Last updated on 29-Nov-2005
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
We have a year to develop the site, secure VC funds and launch. I do not think Mainsqueeze.com will come cheap. I have a few domains I could sell off to buy it, but I was saving up to buy rotating.com for resale to a new Russian vibration analysis developer.
We'll think of something.
Renny
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Message 169662 (In Reply to Message 169399)
Posted by Renunciation
on Dec 17, 2005 12:54 AM | Also by Renunciation
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As part of my research into the potential for creating a felon dating website, I searched for direct competition.
I yahoo'd "felon dating"
7 hits
2 deadlinks
1 link from officer.com about cops and felons dating
1 link from a warez or gaming site
1 from a blind link, or for sale domain
1 from a site that slams companies
and 1 from a very ugly and bitter female who dated a felon without knowing it.
Proof again that honesty is the best policy and that a site that caters to felons removes that veil of secrecy.
Now I need help.
Is such a site legal? Are felons permitted to contact and date each other?
Anyone know?
Renny
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Message 169678 (In Reply to Message 169399)
Muslim Only Dating
Posted by Renunciation
on Dec 17, 2005 05:51 PM | Also by Renunciation
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Whenever people arelumped into a group and feel excluded for whatever reason, those people bond and tend to prefer to associate only with other people of their "kind"
http://www.qiran.com/index.asp
There are plenty of white, bitter divorced single mom dating sites.
We will have our own site within 12-15 months.
Renny
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Message 169709 (In Reply to Message 169662)
Posted by orolan
on Dec 18, 2005 05:15 PM | Also by orolan
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Is such a site legal?
Absolutely.
Are felons permitted to contact and date each other?
Supposed to be a "free" country. Some restrictions for those on supervision of course. But the other 20 million are free to do as they wish;-))
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Message 169722 (In Reply to Message 169709)
Posted by Renunciation
on Dec 18, 2005 08:56 PM | Also by Renunciation
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Excellent
I have contacted several VC firms.
Only one has responded, but with apositive outlook. They of course want a detailed business plan(in progress).
This is an old idea for me, but for the first time actual work is in progress.
I have started and failed at several businesses, mostly because of my lack of belief in the business. This time, I am living it. It is more than a business, it is a movement.
I have the domain picked out, will secure it next month, wife maxed out my credit cards again for Christmas......... grrrrrr.
If I can secure VC funds, I will simply hire a qualified non-felon to manage the business while I complete my probation.
Ironically the VC firm that responded is from France!! LOL
Lots of work to do, very little will get done over the next few weeks. School is out and I need to be "away" all day starting tomorrow.
R
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Message 169728 (In Reply to Message 169399)
wife of s.o
Posted by cass117
on Dec 19, 2005 12:42 AM | Also by cass117
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hi i am new to the website and i dont even know if i can post here i just need advice for my husband who is still in jail.he touched my 14yr old sisters breast over her shirt 4 yrs ago .he was sexually abused as was i and when we went to therapy dec05 we told the therapist it didnt matter that as a family we were taking precautions and getting help he was convicted b/c he was totally honest and didnt want to ruin my family or cause my sister any more harm . we have two children and i support my husband 100% but i dont know what will happen when he comes home .also we just moved so he should redo the drivers liscence before he registers right?i am so scared of probation it seems like we are going to have to be on our toes 24/7.can anyone give me advice.thank god for a site like this because i cant get answers any where
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Message 169753 (In Reply to Message 169722)
Posted by orolan
on Dec 19, 2005 05:47 PM | Also by orolan
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Excellent. I know a non-felon who would be great for the job. She's spent the last five years or so running criminal background checks from her home:-))
And she'd work cheap!
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Message 169779 (In Reply to Message 169728)
Posted by Renunciation
on Dec 20, 2005 04:14 AM | Also by Renunciation
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Our fellow member DP1 can give you some excellent advice, but if you would like some advice from a RSO I have a few key points:
1. Read the T&Cs of probation carefully and anything that sounds vague, ask for written clarification.
2. Once you are both comfortable with the rules, find a way/ways to work within the rules, not around them. POs are well-trained to recognize a supervision malingerer, but they also can see when someone is working wthin the rules.
3. Establish and maintain a respectful relationship with the PO. Believe it or not, the PO will be your strongest ally, as long as you follow # 1&2 above. If you work around the rules the PO will less inclined to be your ally.
Be the PO. My wife is my PO. She checks me, my machine, she makes me observe the rules daily, while my PO only checks me periodically. If you are tougher than the PO, he will be safe, you will be safe and the sacrifices will be worth it. It will not be easy, but usually the right thing is the hardest thing to do.
Be prepared for him to not be allowed to live at home. Start a business and hire him as an employee. Pay him with a 1099, as food and services. Finding a good job will be his hardest challenge.
Renny
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Message 169813 (In Reply to Message 169728)
Posted by orolan
on Dec 20, 2005 11:40 PM | Also by orolan
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Is he in jail. Or out? You said he is in therapy and you went with him? Is it in the jail? I'm a little confused.
Probation is as hard as you make it. I'm 15 months short of ten years on sex offender probation. It has been hell, but as stories that can be read around here will show, I brought on a lot of that myself. Mostly because I'm just that kind of guy. I push to see how far before they push back.
There is NO need for your husband to do that. Just follow the rules. You will need to be his helper there, as Renny said. Be his "at home PO".
How much time will he have, and wil lthey allow the children to stay? Have you asked about that?
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Message 169866 (In Reply to Message 169728)
Hi Cass
Posted by dp1
on Dec 21, 2005 04:42 PM | Also by dp1
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I'm here if you need a PO perspective. Can you tell us more details about his legal status? Do you know what the probation conditions will be? Cass, I won't tell you what I think you want to hear. I'll tell you what I think you need to hear.
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Message 169924 (In Reply to Message 169866)
Posted by orolan
on Dec 23, 2005 01:40 AM | Also by orolan
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I'll tell you what I think you need to hear.
Ain't that the truth:-))
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Message 170358 (In Reply to Message 169924)
Posted by cass117
on Dec 31, 2005 07:33 PM | Also by cass117
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thankyou all so much for replying .i just got back from florida where i spent xmas w/ my family also saw my husband in jail 3x i hadnt seen him in 4mths so it was very nice.to answer some of the questions he was given 11 mths 29 days in jail as a plea .he will serve 7 1/2 mths so we have 31/2 more to go.we have a prose motion on jan 4th in regards to our children can anyone help me with info on what happens there .i will write a letter to the judge ,he has already been approved for transfer to n.c when he was sentenced.i will definetly be his at home po he is very scared about violating he said there are so many people in jail for violations .our florida po is very helpful to me he said we are on the ball preparing for things and that we shouldnt have too many problems.i really like how no question is to stupid for him .i love my husband and my family has healed i just feel better knowing what we are up against.thankyou so much for replying everyone i dont feel so alone anymore
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Message 170401 (In Reply to Message 170358)
Posted by orolan
on Jan 01, 2006 07:24 PM | Also by orolan
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our florida po is very helpful to me
DP1, you didn't tell us you had a twin brother that was also a PO:-))
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Message 170410 (In Reply to Message 170401)
Posted by dp1
on Jan 01, 2006 10:04 PM | Also by dp1
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DP1, you didn't tell us you had a twin brother that was also a PO:-))
hehehe. We all know Florida PO's have ZERO tolerance, right?
Hey Cass - it's good to know things seem to be working for you guys. Just remember that Florida WILL extradite. It doesn't matter how quickly we transfer cases out of the state - we DO bring them back and make them serve time if they aren't behaving themselves. Good luck to you both.
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Message 170530 (In Reply to Message 169399)
Too Late!
Posted by DoTheCrimeDoTheTime
on Jan 04, 2006 12:58 AM | Also by DoTheCrimeDoTheTime
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Already one out there. Although it can be costly to join. Some are given assistance to be a registered member, non offenders can check it out without cost. Their offenses are clearly stated.
This is the site: http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveOffenders/
All you have to do is enter the desired information, and viola!!!!!
(a little humor here, ok!)
DTCDTT
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Message 170653 (In Reply to Message 170530)
Posted by orolan
on Jan 05, 2006 06:27 PM | Also by orolan
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Where ya been? We missed ya:-))
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Message 170750 (In Reply to Message 169399)
Posted by DoTheCrimeDoTheTime
on Jan 06, 2006 11:48 PM | Also by DoTheCrimeDoTheTime
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Took a vacation, like, left the state, then came back. Also had other more pending issues than this board. I'll be lurking around.
Thanks for asking!
DTCDTT
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Message 170813 (In Reply to Message 170750)
Posted by orolan
on Jan 07, 2006 07:42 PM | Also by orolan
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left the state, then came back
Glutton for punishment, eh:-))
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Message 171356 (In Reply to Message 169399)
Update
Posted by Renunciation
on Jan 16, 2006 01:20 AM | Also by Renunciation
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Domain purchased.
Business Plan about half finished.
You'll all know me soon, lol.
Renster
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Message 173183 (In Reply to Message 171356)
2-12-6 Update
Posted by Renunciation
on Feb 12, 2006 09:47 PM | Also by Renunciation
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Proposals for site development have been received and processed.
Dozens of affordable marketing outlets have been identified.
Site will mimic a clever mixture of Adult Friend Finder, LinkedIn and Myspace.
Merchant account, and ownership protection are still pending.
Not sure how to ensure I make some $$ from this venture.
Form a corporation and sell shares to the foriegn investor?
Sole Prop and give up majority of profits to VC?
Moving ahead too quickly, I am falling behind on some things.
I have started and sunk or sold over ten companies, this could be the biggest one yet. My maintenance company that was sold to ABB in Richmond was the biggest until this venture.
Any of my people have an idea how to draw in our target customers? Wife suggested prisoner family support groups and lawyer firms and Outlaw Biker magazine, lol.
P.S. My ex had a half-page layout in OB years ago. What a wild day that was!
I am asking for $200k for startup, mostly for marketing and a webmaster for a year.
Thoughts from my people?
R
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Message 173185 (In Reply to Message 173183)
Posted by steve
on Feb 12, 2006 10:27 PM | Also by steve
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Venture capital won't touch something involving an investment of only $200k. Without a working service it's doubtful they'd touch it anyway. If you had proven success with similar ventures, a strong board of investors, a plan that they perceived as low-risk and high-reward, you might get some funding at the stage you're at (this is 2006, not 1998 after all). Your best bet is too self-fund / self-finance or seek an angel. Of course, many will probably consider your idea controversial and won't consider it.
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Message 173204 (In Reply to Message 173185)
Posted by Renunciation
on Feb 13, 2006 03:42 AM | Also by Renunciation
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Yeah............. no one in the US wants to go anywhere near it.
The french folks backed away too.
The interested investor is from someplace else.
Going to be tough............ but my motives are pure, what do I care of the money man has a different motive, lol.
R
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Message 173786 (In Reply to Message 169399)
Green Sheet
Posted by Renunciation
on Feb 25, 2006 07:30 PM | Also by Renunciation
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Val and Rebel can sympathize with this.
Was reading the Green sheet and saw multiple ads that had bars across the ad that read in big bold block letters:
LATIN STAFFED
In the donut shop this am I asked someone about that. They said that there is a big movement in SoCal for latins to only shop or buy services owned by other latins, that only staff with latins.
That is not really a big surprise, the Chinese do it in NY and LA.
With over 12 million felons, we too could do this. Would it have an effect on the economy, unlikely, since there would be so few places to shop, lol.
What I was wondering about a latin staffed business that caters to only latins, how does anyone get service when everyone is cutting in line?
Renny
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169399, Renunciation, Dec 13, 2005 08:12 PM [2006 is the year for change - for hope]
169421, orolan, Dec 14, 2005 02:22 AM
169660, Renunciation, Dec 16, 2005 11:35 PM [MAINSQUEEZE.COM]
169515, june5, Dec 15, 2005 03:50 AM [Darn Tootin']
169662, Renunciation, Dec 17, 2005 12:54 AM
169709, orolan, Dec 18, 2005 05:15 PM
169722, Renunciation, Dec 18, 2005 08:56 PM
169753, orolan, Dec 19, 2005 05:47 PM
169678, Renunciation, Dec 17, 2005 05:51 PM [Muslim Only Dating]
169728, cass117, Dec 19, 2005 12:42 AM [wife of s.o]
169779, Renunciation, Dec 20, 2005 04:14 AM
169813, orolan, Dec 20, 2005 11:40 PM
169866, dp1, Dec 21, 2005 04:42 PM [Hi Cass]
169924, orolan, Dec 23, 2005 01:40 AM
170358, cass117, Dec 31, 2005 07:33 PM
170401, orolan, Jan 01, 2006 07:24 PM
170410, dp1, Jan 01, 2006 10:04 PM
170530, DoTheCrimeDoTheTime, Jan 04, 2006 12:58 AM [Too Late!]
170653, orolan, Jan 05, 2006 06:27 PM
170750, DoTheCrimeDoTheTime, Jan 06, 2006 11:48 PM
170813, orolan, Jan 07, 2006 07:42 PM
171356, Renunciation, Jan 16, 2006 01:20 AM [Update]
173183, Renunciation, Feb 12, 2006 09:47 PM [2-12-6 Update]
173185, steve, Feb 12, 2006 10:27 PM
173204, Renunciation, Feb 13, 2006 03:42 AM
173786, Renunciation, Feb 25, 2006 07:30 PM [Green Sheet]
174394, Pending Further Review
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