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Thread (Discussion): Examinations of Alternative Citizenships

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Message 163563 (In Reply to Message 162119)

Posted by oicu812 on Oct 05, 2005 04:33 AM | Also by oicu812

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though i don'rt believe one should victimize anyone else in america by leaving debts and costing taxpayers money, mr. anonymous is correct on all counts of fact. i don't subscribe to this thinking because it is not healthy for me.

but one thing was overlooked. if you intend to keep your very valuable us passport, having a big debt to the irs or being seriously arears in support can cause a problem when you go to renew your passport in 10 years. i'm not saying that it will happen, only that it is possible for the court or the irs to request that the state department not renew your passport.

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Message 162119
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Posted by anonymous45654 on Sep 20, 2005 11:53 AM | Also by anonymous45654

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You can go to an intermediate country that does allow people with a record first, become a citizen of that country (Burn US passport) and stay there a few years and then change to the country that does not allow people with a record using your previews citizenship.

Look into it; it is possible.

Also, why would you be interested in clearing yourself with the IRS. Many countries do not consider tax crimes an extraditable offense they consider it to be a civil matter at best. Same thing goes for support arrears. Do not be a fool they will never let you go because all those things are designed to keep you in the US systems bureaucracy going in circles standing in line going from window A to B to C then tell you "all your have left to do is window D", but when you finish at D they will tell you that you must go to A.

Just pick up and go when its convenient for you that all you need to do. Leave creditors hanging and buy and old car that barely runs and just abandon it at the airport so that it must be towed at the county expense. Just have some fun leaving a few things hanging behind you. Choose carefully so they can’t get you for anything after you leave. Wouldn’t it be fun to know they are still sending all those letters to your old US address?

Be certain you put all your money in an offshore bank that is not US based and the country is not too cozy with the US and has strict banking confidentiality laws.

Setup one or more corporations in one of those offshore countries and use a corporate account. Do not use your US passport to open accounts use ID from your new country such as drivers Lic. or corporate ID papers only. By doing this you do not need to wait to receive your passport from your new country.

Make sure the bank you chose is also legitimate and financially solid because many offshore banks have gone under in some of these offshore countries, so it would also be a good idea to split your money up into 3 or 4 and put it in 3 or 4 different countries/banks.

Working out the logistics to avoid all the potential snags on how to do all of this can take some time and can vary significantly if you change just one little thing like bank, country, corporation country etc

I am not a sex offender so what do I get out of this? Well I get to know that my suggestion has cost the IRS some money in lost revenue. :)

I think all Americans would expect that those that have immigrated to the US would take-up arms to defend the US if ordered to do so by the US gov even if those they are fighting against was the country they immigrated from. So what is wrong with a former American taking up arms to defend the new country they have immigrated to if ordered to do so by that gov no matter who they are defending against? I am not referring to terrorism, only military action under a countries flag in uniform according to the Geneva convention (yea remember that convention the one the US only abides by when it feels like it, i.e. Guantanamo).

Remember a while back, that Colonial vs British Empire 100’s of years ago. If you follow the US logic then all those that fought for independence should have been hanging before a King. Have Americans really become this self centered and conceited that they think the world revolves around them and US law? I rest my case. Fortunately a new global superpower China is rising on the horizon. US vs China would be a draw since they both have nukes but China could cause the US a lot of pain in a Vietnam type conflict and hopefully they will if the US tries to push them around.

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      162119, anonymous45654, Sep 20, 2005 11:53 AM [Suggestion]
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                        163671, oicu812, Oct 06, 2005 02:34 PM
                              166479, rodsmith, Nov 04, 2005 05:17 PM
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