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Message 150432


Posted by RiverCyan on Apr 25, 2005 05:58 AM | Also by RiverCyan
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: Pennsylvania, Country: United States
Hi, reviews, comments, insights on this movie. Want to see it, but am afraid to. How is the realism? What ever you can give me would be fantastic (+ or -) please. Like I work for a healthinusrance company and the move "John Q" just total pissed me off. Thanks everyone!

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Message 150439 (In Reply to Message 150432)
RiverCyan


Posted by myoung on Apr 25, 2005 02:58 PM | Also by myoung
Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Pennsylvania, Country: United States
The Woodman was a very well done movie. I can't comment on how you'll feel about the content but let's just say they kept it real.

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Message 150675 (In Reply to Message 150439)
correction sorry, The Woodsman"


Posted by RiverCyan on Apr 28, 2005 04:49 AM | Also by RiverCyan
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Pennsylvania, Country: United States
I saw it now. I thought is was well done. Just wondering if the SOs have comments on the movie. Thanks!

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Message 150713 (In Reply to Message 150432)
I saw it


Posted by concerned2005 on Apr 28, 2005 06:40 PM | Also by concerned2005
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: New Jersey, Country: United States
I am not an SO, my ex-husband is.. I rented it as a learning-understanding experience. I thought it was reality based, but me not being as SO , it was hard to understand

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Posted by dp1 on Apr 30, 2005 03:59 PM | Also by dp1
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Florida, Country: United States
You guys tickled my curiosity button. I'm curious as to why RSOs haven't commented on the movie. Maybe they haven't seen it for the same reasons I haven't? Well, if that's the case I think I'll get hubby to go to Blockbusters for me.

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dp1


Posted by RiverCyan on May 04, 2005 06:01 AM | Also by RiverCyan
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Pennsylvania, Country: United States
Yeah, your right. His thought/actions were confusing. At least that horrible depressed look he walked around with was authentic! That journal writing part where he was watching the other SO at the school was a little disturbing---at first it went back to the "blaming the victim" philosophy, but then I think as he continued his therapy he had a change of heart. And then the stalking the little girl potential victim part gave him another dose of reality, when he saw the pain she was going thru with her Dad--EMPATHY and NOT BLAMING the victim...the two biggest hurdle in treatment. I know my husband is gonna be one of the successful one. He is working really hard. What do you think dp1? Should I write a book? You basically my story....I could give some of the proceds to victim services---that'd be great for my charma and getting all these nasty feelings out, like journaling.....Hmmmm? sto

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dp1


Posted by RiverCyan on May 04, 2005 06:03 AM | Also by RiverCyan
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Pennsylvania, Country: United States
Yeah, your right. His thought/actions were confusing. At least that horrible depressed look he walked around with was authentic! That journal writing part where he was watching the other SO at the school was a little disturbing---at first it went back to the "blaming the victim" philosophy, but then I think as he continued his therapy he had a change of heart. And then the stalking the little girl potential victim part gave him another dose of reality, when he saw the pain she was going thru with her Dad--EMPATHY and NOT BLAMING the victim...the two biggest hurdle in treatment. I know my husband is gonna be one of the successful one. He is working really hard. What do you think dp1? Should I write a book? You basically my story....I could give some of the proceds to victim services---that'd be great for my charma and getting all these nasty feelings out, like journaling.....Hmmmm? sto

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Message 151096 (In Reply to Message 151076)
RiverCyan


Posted by dp1 on May 04, 2005 02:26 PM | Also by dp1
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Florida, Country: United States
I think it would be a great idea to write a book. Are you keeping a journal?

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Posted by thepar on May 26, 2005 04:31 AM | Also by thepar
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: New York, Country: United States
The Woodsman is a powerful film. Kevin Bacon’s performance as Walter is amazing. I could not escape the irony of one of the crucial turning points in the movie. One of Walter’s co-workers discovers via an Internet posting of registered sex offenders that Walter is one. She shares this with other co-workers who harass Walter. Walter has been trying to walk the straight and narrow and re-enter society. When the door is “shut” to him by his co-workers, he goes out to seek “comfort” where he should not. He almost “lives down” to everyone’s expectations. He almost molests a young girl he befriends in a park, but does not. The irony is that the posting of information on registered sex offenders on the Internet does not protect the young girl, but arguably puts her in more jeopardy.

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Message 152456 (In Reply to Message 150432)
My Slight Review


Posted by lildrafire on May 26, 2005 10:24 AM | Also by lildrafire
Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States
I saw the movie. For the SO afraid of seeing it because it might trigger something...it doesn't show any acts of adult/child sex--altho it does show some adult/adult nudity/sex. The main character seems very tortured, but seems to want to "get better." He feels that the suggestion by his therapist to journal is carp, but he does it anyway and apparently it turns into a valuable tool for him.

Tho very bleak, I find it strange, and almost refreshing that the main character is almost portrayed as a hero at the end.

The scenes of harrassment at work were very realistic.

I wasn't impressed with the main character living across the street from a school yard (which apparently was crucial to the plot) and all the beer drinking.

I thought the GF situation was a bit odd....I thought it even odder that she helped him out with his "daddy" fantasy after she seemed totally freaked out that he was a RSO.

I thought the relationship with the main character and his brother in law was sincere and honest until the RSO asks him if he ever has sexual thoughts about his daughter. We are never told who the victim was or what was done, but seems like it might have been the niece....

All in all it was a bleak, drawn out movie...and it made me feel very uncomfortable watching it....

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Posted by brennus on May 27, 2005 01:10 PM | Also by brennus
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Wisconsin, Country: United States
The main character seems very tortured, but seems to want to "get better." He feels that the suggestion by his therapist to journal is carp, but he does it anyway and apparently it turns into a valuable tool for him.

I identify VERY strongly with Kevin Bacon's character, though I'm not an SO or even a convicted criminal (felon or misdemeanent). As a black man in this society, the stigma I face is some cases is as bad as his SO character. I noticed that no one except the boss, and Kyra Sedgwick's character even dealt with him positively, and Kyra played the part of a tough woman and was seen as lesbian. That is not far from what type of treatment I've come to expect and deal with. Outcasts tend to deal with other outcasts. I'm dissapointed that the movie seemed forced when tryting to humanize Bacon by having him beat up Candy, the Virginia SO who's arrested in the hospital. Maybe they should have had an epilogue, 10 years later where Bacon is either back in jail, or still out.

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Message 152583 (In Reply to Message 152456)
Lildrafire


Posted by fallenone on May 28, 2005 06:05 PM | Also by fallenone
Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Ohio, Country: United States
I saw the movie on my vacation. The main protagonist apparently had multiple victims but the niece wasn't one of them. (He was in for 12 years she just turned 11). The RSO's sister was likely a victim though given the actions in the movie.

And the whole deal with the girlfriend thing wasn't too far out. I suppose if someone loves another person enough they would do certain things they normally would not do. Like when I used to go see my exgirlfriend. Normally I can't stand children (not because of my case but just because they annoyme anyways) but for her sake I made an exception. Whether friend or otherwise if you have a relationship with someone some measure of compromise or exception is made.

But Ijust wanted to bring that up

The Fallen One

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Message 152594 (In Reply to Message 150432)
Silver's review


Posted by Silverthorne on May 28, 2005 06:54 PM | Also by Silverthorne
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Arizona, Country: United States
I watched the Woodsman last night. I must say even as someone who hasn't acted out I can relate to the feelings of lonliness and despair exemplified by Kevin Bacon's character.

People just can't understand what its like to live a "secret life". I've got adult friends (a few), I have somewhat of a sex life now, yet its always a second choice for me. My "desire" is completely taboo and can't even be discussed.

You know several years ago I met someone in RL who was a pedophile as well. One thing I noticed was how "relieved" I was to actually have someone to relate too. We almost never talked about our illnesses rather we just seemed to understand each other.

Even now in a gay enviornment I have to "pretend" and "fake it" when a cute guy walks by much as I used to when a cute girl walked by. I also have to go out of my way not to "follow" a cute boy with my eyes for fear of being seen.

Yes its a tortured life. Its livable but there are struggles and despair. Given society has no desire to help those who are sick (even those like me who have never acted out) I'm actually surprised we don't have more molestation cases.

I'm certain there are thousands of people like me who don't act out but have this "secret life". We see them everyday arrested at age 30 for some computer crime out of the blue or something. It's always a "surprise".

Silverthorne

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Message 169694 (In Reply to Message 150432)
Assorted Review Links


Posted by StungOnTheNet on Dec 17, 2005 09:16 PM | Also by StungOnTheNet
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: California, Country: United States
After reading these reviews, I've decided to get the DVD. I haven't received it yet, but this looks probably like the most realistic effort that Hollywood was allowed to produce. The DVD has additional scenes, and also includes a "how it was made" program that may just be as interesting as the actual movie.

Here is a list of assorted review links. Warning: they contain spoilers.

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/entertainment/film/reviews/the_woodsman.html

http://www.spiritualityhealth.com/newsh/items/moviereview/item_9398.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr/reviews/review_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2076218

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/woodsman/

http://movie-reviews.colossus.net/movies/w/woodsman.html

http://www.contactmusic.com/new/film.nsf/reviews/thewoodsman

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Message 169695 (In Reply to Message 169694)


Posted by steve on Dec 17, 2005 10:51 PM | Also by steve
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Virginia, Country: United States
I recently requested this DVD from one of my local library systems and it looks like I'll probably have it within the next week. I'll share my thoughts after I've seen it.

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Posted by steve on Dec 29, 2005 08:34 PM | Also by steve
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Virginia, Country: United States
I watched The Woodsman last night. I'll post some thoughts on it soon.

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Message 171375 (In Reply to Message 170231)


Posted by prozac on Jan 16, 2006 08:17 AM | Also by prozac
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States
Is soon up yet? lol.

It is a VERY powerful movie and is made to be difficult to watch. And in that sense, it works very well. Though I can't understand the attraction to girls so young, the emotion the guy and the little girl portray in the park is very real. I think maybe when he beats up the molester by the school after that, he is partly taking some self-loathing out on that man. Good thing? Maybe. Maybe not, but it seemed to work for him.

One of the reasons the movie is so powerful is because it doesn't try to make a complex issue simple.

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Message 171421 (In Reply to Message 171375)


Posted by steve on Jan 17, 2006 12:24 AM | Also by steve
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Virginia, Country: United States
Oops.

The movie exceeded my expectations. It was done well. Most of the acting was high quality and the stresses and conflict in the life of a released convicted child molester were presented in a way that seemed very real. My reaction to Bacon's character switched between repulsion, empathy and respect depending on the situation.

If you watch it, I encourage you to watch the deleted scenes. If I remember right there were three. One involving a girl in a park should have made the final cut in my opinion.

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Message 171468 (In Reply to Message 171421)


Posted by prozac on Jan 17, 2006 07:32 PM | Also by prozac
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States
Steve, thanks for your opinion.

Yes, I viewed the other scenes on the DVD, and remember thinking I'm glad they did it the way they did. I don't remember them well enough though to know which scene you wish was in the final film.

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150432, RiverCyan, Apr 25, 2005 05:58 AM
      150439, myoung, Apr 25, 2005 02:58 PM [RiverCyan]
            150675, RiverCyan, Apr 28, 2005 04:49 AM [correction sorry, The Woodsman"]
      150713, concerned2005, Apr 28, 2005 06:40 PM [I saw it]
            150829, dp1, Apr 30, 2005 03:59 PM
                  151075, RiverCyan, May 04, 2005 06:01 AM [dp1]
                  151076, RiverCyan, May 04, 2005 06:03 AM [dp1]
                        151096, dp1, May 04, 2005 02:26 PM [RiverCyan]
                              152441, thepar, May 26, 2005 04:31 AM
      152456, lildrafire, May 26, 2005 10:24 AM [My Slight Review]
            152512, brennus, May 27, 2005 01:10 PM
            152583, fallenone, May 28, 2005 06:05 PM [Lildrafire]
      152594, Silverthorne, May 28, 2005 06:54 PM [Silver's review]
      169694, StungOnTheNet, Dec 17, 2005 09:16 PM [Assorted Review Links]
            169695, steve, Dec 17, 2005 10:51 PM
                  170231, steve, Dec 29, 2005 08:34 PM
                        171375, prozac, Jan 16, 2006 08:17 AM
                              171421, steve, Jan 17, 2006 12:24 AM
                                    171468, prozac, Jan 17, 2006 07:32 PM
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