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Thread (Discussion): Accused - Jake
Message 137759
Accused
Posted by JakeLF
on Jul 23, 2004 12:56 AM | Also by JakeLF
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Last week I went up to this resort with a friend that I have known for years that has always been cool with me but a week ago invited me up to this resort with him. We were swimming out in the lake at night and were skinny dipping, we didn't think anything of it. We were doing that for like an hour and two boys came out and decided to do the same thing because they noticed that ourtrunks were on the raft. Well the boys must have been like 7 and 9 or so. Well I was sitting on the raft and my friend swam back to get some beers for us up at our room, the 9yo went somewhere and I am not sure where. So it was just me and the 7yo kid on the raft.
Well you would think with me knowing better I would have jumped off and gone away and left him there, but I stayed because I didn't want anything to happen to him out there. I sat there and he sat next to me, of course both of us nude. Well we talked and just talked about movies and so forth and small talk. It must have been like 30 minutes until my buddy came back and saw me sitting there with the boy. The other boy called out the other boys name from shore and jumped in and swam to shore.
Me and my buddy just sat there sipping away the beers and eventually swam to shore. The next day my buddy told me that the boys mom from last night was at the door, she slapped my face and yelled at me how could I touch her boy, her son was standing right there red in the face and she said that he told her that I sucked his penis and tried to put my penis in his butt, I was so shocked and so upset, I couldn't believe that this was happening. There was no way that I came across that I was a pedophile to the boy, also my buddy would of never said anything about my past.
So I sat there wondering how the hell this could have happend. Now she is pressing charges and all this other stuff that I have no clue about. I have no clue what to do, I thought I was doing really good and I did really good by having my first resisting temptation when I was talking to that boy. I will be perfectly honest he was an extremely cute boy but I would never do anything to him because its bad to get in that way again.
I have been thinking that I should take a lie detector test and that they should make the boy too, because I didn't do anything to him. How thhell do these things happen. Now I know that I can't be around kids even if its for only like a minute.
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Message 137766 (In Reply to Message 137759)
Posted by steve
on Jul 23, 2004 01:57 AM | Also by steve
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I'm sorry you've been falsely accused. If I remember right you have been convicted of child molestation. That fact is obviously going to stack the cards against you. Having a conviction of that sort you probably shouldn't have been swimming nude. And once kids showed up, especially kids who were nude, you probably should have put your clothes on and left. But you already know that.
If nothing else, hopefully this will serve as a warning to folks like assumption18 who are unwilling to acknowledge that situations which may seem harmless may be anything but.
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Message 137770 (In Reply to Message 137759)
Jake
Posted by dp1
on Jul 23, 2004 02:40 AM | Also by dp1
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Ok Jake, let's get honest here. This man you went to the resort with, is he a pedophile also? Does he know that you are a pedophile? If he knows you are a pedophile what the hell was he doing leaving you alone with 2 young boys?
Ok, here's what I'm thinking. If you are truly innocent and didn't do anything and those boys did get molested then guess who did it? Come on Jake, what's the scoop? Neither you or your friend had any business being naked in front of those boys whether either of you molested them or not! Hello. One and one is not equally two here.
I know you must be upset. But, if you didn't do anything then think this through rationally. Was this a set up? Is your friend a closet pedo. Gee, how convenient for him to blame you since you just got out of prison for the same thing. I doubt you'd be posting about this if you were guilty so let's here the truth Jake.
I hope this guy isn't the guy you PM'd me about.
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Message 137772 (In Reply to Message 137759)
okay
Posted by myoung
on Jul 23, 2004 02:53 AM | Also by myoung
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Jake.....what in the world were you thinking?? I can't even say anymore than that since you should have been more concerned for yourself than that boy at this point. This sounds awful fishy to me. I mean no disrespect but just read your post as if you were me.
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Message 137773 (In Reply to Message 137759)
Jake
Posted by dp1
on Jul 23, 2004 03:15 AM | Also by dp1
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I know you've been to prison but I can't remember if you said whether you're on parole or not. If so, this can be much more serious then just a new charge.If so, do you have an attorney? Did you bring this issue up in group therapy yet?
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Message 137775 (In Reply to Message 137770)
friend from grade school
Posted by JakeLF
on Jul 23, 2004 05:42 AM | Also by JakeLF
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The friend that I went up there with has been a friend from grade school and he knows that I went to prison for molesting my niece but he has been pretty cool to me ever since then. I don't think he is a pedophile or I never have got any hints that he is. I am not sure what he was thinking leaving me out there with both of those boys. I should have had enough self control to see that the situation could of ended up going the way that it did.
I guess I was just basically testing myself to make sure that I could handle being out there even in that situation without even doing anything, but I guess I must have done something even though I didn't, oh well. Also only one of the boys said that he was molested and that was the 7yo boy that I was alone out there talking to.
It might have been my friend that molested the boy but why would the mother go directly to me and not him, I just don't understand what the hell is going on right now, maybe I should have been the one that did it and get sent back to prison because the temptations are getting way too high again.
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Message 137776 (In Reply to Message 137772)
I wasn't thinking
Posted by JakeLF
on Jul 23, 2004 05:44 AM | Also by JakeLF
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That is the thing that I have realized, I was not thinking, I must be slipping back into my old ways because I thought it was harmless being out there with him. I don't know what to do anymore, I might as well just say that I did it and go back to prison, life was alot less stressful inside than it is on the outside.
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Message 137777 (In Reply to Message 137773)
group
Posted by JakeLF
on Jul 23, 2004 05:48 AM | Also by JakeLF
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I brought this up in group and they prtty much said the same things, what the heck was I thinking skinny dipping when I knew that there might be a chance kids could come out. A few told me that they have also tested themselves like that by being in certain situations testing themselves around children without actually molesting them. My therapist told me that I was basically asking for trouble when I was sitting out there nude with the boy when nobody else was around to be witness to this. So I guess I basically asked for this to happen, I might as well be guilty.
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Message 137789 (In Reply to Message 137777)
Posted by dp1
on Jul 23, 2004 01:22 PM | Also by dp1
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Is it against the law in your state to expose yourself in front of a minor? In Florida, that would be a felony.
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Message 137794 (In Reply to Message 137775)
Posted by dp1
on Jul 23, 2004 01:33 PM | Also by dp1
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Jake,
Why would a 7 year old boy make up a story like that? What exactly did you hear about the accusations? What did the mother say exactly? What's your friend saying, thinking?
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Message 137813 (In Reply to Message 137794)
It doesn't matter
Posted by JakeLF
on Jul 23, 2004 03:33 PM | Also by JakeLF
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It doesn't matter anymore, I am just going to confess and go back to prison, I was more comfortable there anyway, thanks for all your support since I have been here but I just can't live in a healthy world.
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Message 137840 (In Reply to Message 137813)
Jake
Posted by dp1
on Jul 23, 2004 08:11 PM | Also by dp1
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Jake,
I wish you the best regardless of how things turn out. Please remember we are here to support you whether you made a mistake or not. I hope you continue to post here. Your insight has been helpful.
DP1
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Message 137842 (In Reply to Message 137789)
why?
Posted by poetsdreamscape
on Jul 23, 2004 10:31 PM | Also by poetsdreamscape
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Jake , I have been reading some of your posts the past few weeks and didnt want to respond to any of them because there were many discussions that answered a lot of my questions.I am real curious to understand where your freind and the other boy went to since they both left you there with the 7 yo? Are you implying that your freind may have went somewhere with this boy ? Did they both come back togther ? Why would the other boy leave his freind with you naked ?Did any of you offer the boys alcohol? I doubt the boy got you mixed up with your freind unless you are identical looking ? I am not going to say what you should have done because you know what you should have done as soon as those boys came on the scene .I am certain that this place was not a nudist resort because you didnt say it was so you guys should have never been naked.I got a gut feeling jake that you are not being truthful at all. If i had to summerise what happened it would be that you and your freind had something planned all along and that this just didnt happen. Its interesting also to note that the boys were staying right next to your room so im sure you had some kind of contact before hand . ( GROOMING ?) Correct me if im taking this in the wrong direction. As far as you wanting to go back to jail as you have mentioned in your previous post that wil happen. I honestly doubt that a 7yo would say things about what didnt happen . I would think he would be embarrased to say things of such nature to his mom unless it did occur and he was taught to do such if anything ever happened to him as such . As far as the police is concerend they will find out the truth of what happened and decide what to charge you with. Jake , If you did molest that young boy do the kid a favor and admit to it to save the child from having to deal with the emotional issue of a trial . You will feel better about yourself that you didnt put the boy through such agony after molesting him . You already traumitised the boy by molesting him that is enough wouldnt you think ?
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Message 137850 (In Reply to Message 137766)
Well there are a few factors to consider
Posted by assumption18
on Jul 24, 2004 03:39 AM | Also by assumption18
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Firstly, if the boy was molested by his friend, or by someone else, then if somehow he found out about this man being a "pedophile" (perhaps the fact he was comfortable with them both being naked in the same boat, perhaps some unconscious movements on part of Jake? I do not know), then (especially if he had to keep his molestation a secret) he had a way of expressing what happened to him by someone else, without having to face the consequences of breaking a secret (the wrong type of secret however).
Secondly, this boy I take it, Jake had never met before. Now I don't think I have (as an adult anyway) been naked in public, (btw I dont walk around my house naked either, im just saying lol) and I wouldn't be naked with another child naked in public, because in this day and age, that is too taboo in many places. Now also, given that I do not know the child's background, ie first day acquaintance, I would not spend time alone with them, after all, I don't know him, he wouldn't know me, no doubt he has the right to be apprehensive, perhaps a little scared, after all he doesn't know me, im a stranger, and strangers are bad news. When you are naked, i think I have heard it said, you can feel your most vunerable? Now, if this boy has had a situation or Heard of a situation like this (for instance, if his friend has been molested and told only him), then this could have come out from this.
I only hope justice is done in the case. Jake if you are telling the truth, and I will take you at your word, because after all, you have nothing to gain by lieing on here, as it is the verdict in court that counts, I hope that the court acts lenient on you, yes perhaps you shouldn't have been in the situation, but you did not harm him, and so, really there is nothing to be punished for. If you aren't telling the truth, then, well just dont take what I've said.
Either way, that boy needs support.
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Message 137855 (In Reply to Message 137766)
SUDS
Posted by dp1
on Jul 24, 2004 05:43 AM | Also by dp1
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If nothing else, hopefully this will serve as a warning to folks like assumption18 who are unwilling to acknowledge that situations which may seem harmless may be anything but.
In sex offender therapy we call that SUDS - Seemingly Unimportant Decisions.
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Message 137869 (In Reply to Message 137776)
it's a little weird
Posted by myoung
on Jul 24, 2004 03:17 PM | Also by myoung
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I didn't tell anyone I know about your situation but I asked some of my guy friends, hubby and his brothers if they would ever skinny dip with a buddy while having some beers. Overwhelming answer.....HELL NO. That was a little strange to begin with. I also know a thing or two about 7 and 9 year old boys as I have one that just turned 13. At 7 and 9 years of age he was becoming very modest about being naked....even running from the bathroom to his room after a shower when only family members were home. It strikes me as odd that a young boy would feel comfy around a stranget (no less) to be completely naked, just sitting there having normal conversation. Very strange Jake I have to tell you. My alarm sensors go off in a big way on this one so I can understand your feeling of being trapped in that situation now that you are being accused. The perception of that scenario by a parent is horrifying..
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Message 137877 (In Reply to Message 137869)
They Boy admitted nothing happend
Posted by JakeLF
on Jul 24, 2004 05:51 PM | Also by JakeLF
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The mom dropped the charges and everything is so called back to normal, the boy admitted that nothing happend and that he did it just to be funny. So everything is normal that way, other things are not.
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Message 137884 (In Reply to Message 137877)
Funny? I don't think SO!
Posted by brennus
on Jul 24, 2004 10:17 PM | Also by brennus
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The boy admitted that nothing happened and that he did it just to be funny. So everything is normal that way, other things are not.
Do you know if the boy's mother or someone he knows found out about your status? I get the feeling that there MIGHT be something more to this than just a joke. As said in this forum so often, these sorts of allegations will send a RSO back to jail in a flash, even if there are no criminal charges afterwards. I hope that the boy gets punished for making such an allegation and that someone did not give him any ideas. Also, do you have any updates on your niece and her parents?
There is also a website mainly for CA sex offenders (registration info), but it has sections on how to reintergrate into the community after a conviction and emphasizing that there are people who are NON-SO's willing to work with and befriend you AFTER a conviction. Maybe, you won't feel prison, even after the experiences which you said yourself you went through, is a better place than outside.
SO link
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Message 137893 (In Reply to Message 137842)
Nothing happend
Posted by JakeLF
on Jul 25, 2004 02:28 AM | Also by JakeLF
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I am not sure where my friend went to get the beers but I am pretty sure that him and the other boy didnt go anywhere together and I am not implying that he did anything with the other boy. They didn't come back together, my friend swam back out and then a few minutes later the other boy called out for his friend and he swam back to shore.
I am not sure why he left with us still being naked, the boys said they always like to swim naled but knew they wouldn't get into trouble if we were out there, I knew that in a way I should have dressed but I didn't, that was my bad choice. I didn't offer either of the boys anything to drink.
Also the boys room wasn't even close to ours, somehow the mom found out that we were in that room. You can believe what you want and I totally respect that and also I really don't care if you think I molested him because I know that I didn't. So its all good cause everything is settled now and going back to normal. And if you would have read my other posts you would realize that it has been resolved, take care
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Message 137902 (In Reply to Message 137877)
Posted by Silverthorne
on Jul 25, 2004 02:50 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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Have you talked to "mommy dearest" since this blew over? I think she owes you an apology (although I sure wouldnt push it).
Silverthorne
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Message 137911 (In Reply to Message 137902)
Silver
Posted by dp1
on Jul 25, 2004 03:38 AM | Also by dp1
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I know what you mean by your slight sarcasm about mommy dearest but let me say this. If a naked man was swimming in a lake and had the nerve to walk, sit, stand or swim 1,000 feet from my daughter I'd slap him too. I think a call to the police and DCF would be in order not to mention a call to his parole officer. I don't take naked pedos very lightly when they expose themselves in front of children whether they molested the child or not. And it's nothing to joke about. Granted she may have blown things out of proportion, but hell what would anyone think a naked man was doing? HELLO!
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Message 137915 (In Reply to Message 137911)
A naked man?
Posted by assumption18
on Jul 25, 2004 03:47 AM | Also by assumption18
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Not having sex, hopefully, or is that expected of all men thesedays?
I take it she doesn't know he is a pedophile, and at that a convicted child molester.
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Message 137917 (In Reply to Message 137911)
Posted by Silverthorne
on Jul 25, 2004 06:21 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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Yes but in this case the children approached the adult. Although I do agree he should've bailed immediately upon thier arrival (naked or not).
Silverthorne
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Message 137918 (In Reply to Message 137759)
Question for Jake
Posted by Silverthorne
on Jul 25, 2004 06:24 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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Jake,
I had a question for you. I know your offense involved a female child. Do you have any attractions to male children?
While its clear from what you said you were uneasy about being around this boy did you have any sexual thoughts about him at all?
Many pedophiles (like myself) are very gender and age specific regarding what "they like". For example a 7 year old skinny dipping near me wouldn't be an issue (still I'd avoid it though) whereas an 11 year old would be a BIG RED FLAG issue.
Just the same though a female child I could care less. I wonder how that defense would play in court in a false accusation case? "Well your honor I only like boys not girls".
Silverthorne
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Message 137936 (In Reply to Message 137915)
A18
Posted by dp1
on Jul 25, 2004 11:40 PM | Also by dp1
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Not having sex, hopefully, or is that expected of all men thesedays?
Personally, I wouldn't assume anyone just had sex unless they were naked, particularly in a public place in a completely inappropriate situation. Considering Jake was not at a nudist colony, why would anyone thing otherwise? Being naked in front of a child in public is against the law. Is it really that far fetched to think he was trying to have sex with him? If you honestly think a man would get naked in public and expose himself to a child for anything other than sexual reasons you are seriously in need of dire help. Don't even go there Assumption. This is not normal behavior. Don't embarass yourself by trying to rationalize why Jake did this. At least Jake realizes it's wrong. I'm sure Silverthorne doesn't run around in his birthday suite in public in front of kids. Do you?
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Message 137937 (In Reply to Message 137918)
It would play
Posted by assumption18
on Jul 25, 2004 11:42 PM | Also by assumption18
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It would play very badly....
aren't "all sex offenders" capable of all other sex offences?
Well, according to "T.H.E." (teaching humane existence)'s website they are:
http://www.about-the.org/the9b.html
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Message 137938 (In Reply to Message 137884)
Brennus
Posted by dp1
on Jul 25, 2004 11:49 PM | Also by dp1
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I hope that the boy gets punished for making such an allegation and that someone did not give him any ideas.
I just wish the mother of the child dealt with this appropriately. When she found out a man was naked in front of her child she should have called 911 immediately. Not good just to blow it off. But, hey Jake gets a break of his lifetime. No felony charges and no VOP. Such a deal. It doesn't make it any lesser than what it could have been if the law was brought into it as they should have been.
I'm surprised you think the victim in the situation should be punished. How odd. Did you forget that exposing yourself to a minor is a serious offense? Is it really shocking to think they may have freaked out and jumped to conclusions he was trying to molest the boy?
If someone walked up behind you, grabbed you and stuck a knife in your throat would you assume he was going to slice your throat? Is it so far fetched to think he was trying to murder you?
What's all the finger pointing to the victim all about? Jake is not the victim here.
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Message 137941 (In Reply to Message 137938)
dp
Posted by brennus
on Jul 26, 2004 12:55 AM | Also by brennus
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I was called this evening and told that the mother was dropping all the so called charges that she was going to charge against me, who knows what those were. She said that her son said that nothing happened and that it was just a joke because he thought I was gay and that he doesn't like gay people.
Sorry for over-reacting. I take resposibility for blaming the boy for the events. I had looked at the post where JakeLF had said that the charges were being dropped, and assumed that someone had put the boy up to it. I should not have done that. I also should have read this before posting:
I just feel really bad because I did have deviant thoughts about those boys at the resort. I am not going to lie and say that I didn't wish that something would have happend and I guess I lead myself into that situation because I wanted to test myself and see if I could hande the situation. I know now that I can never let myself be put back in that situation again or even close. I know that I am not close to molesting a child, but the feelings are there. about kids that way. {/quote]
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Message 137942 (In Reply to Message 137918)
Attracted to both
Posted by JakeLF
on Jul 26, 2004 01:39 AM | Also by JakeLF
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I am attracted to both boys and girls and it doesn't really matter the age of that child. Honestly I was very attracted to the boy when he was there that night on the swimming platform in the lake and I did think he was attractive. Did that mean that I would sit there and molest him because I had those thoughts? No, it doesn't.
Also the case of exposing myself to the child, it was not on purpose and yes I should have put my shorts back on, I wish that I would of. But I didn't, if simply by being nude in front of a boy is exposure, then hell with it lock me up. I will deal with it. Some of you that are in this room are so up high on your horse that its so supprising that you can try and sit back and say that you care or understand or whatever. Its like hey, I have made mistakes in my life, but I don't need you to sit back and think that your some kind of god about it.
Anyways in regards to your question. Yes, I am attracted to both female and male children and most likely always will be. it was a big red flag when I was out there and the boys were out there and it should of clicked in my head to leave, but I didn't. Why didn't I leave to be honest?
I think I didn't leave because I enjoyed talking to the boy and that was it. Anyway it really doesn't matter what I say here anyway, somebody will come along and pick at it and try and put it some other way.
Also I think when it comes to telling the judge that you only like one sex and thats it, I don't think that would play very far or mean much. If your a peophile they just group you in the same boat no matter what or what you have done.
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Message 137946 (In Reply to Message 137941)
Brennus
Posted by dp1
on Jul 26, 2004 02:06 AM | Also by dp1
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No problem. I've misread more than my fair share of posts. It's good to know you didn't intentionally blame the victim or his mother.
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Message 137951 (In Reply to Message 137942)
Jake
Posted by dp1
on Jul 26, 2004 08:47 AM | Also by dp1
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I can see by both the comments you've made to me and to Silverthorne you're attempting to split the Other Side Forum by excluding us folks that haven't molested children or broken the law.
May I suggest choosing your words wisely? Biting the hand that feeds you will lead to starvation.
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Message 137954 (In Reply to Message 137951)
DP1
Posted by JakeLF
on Jul 26, 2004 01:34 PM | Also by JakeLF
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See there you again, acting like you are some kind of GOD, do what you have to do, I really don't care for you at all and I rarely listen to your advice because you seem so arrogant about yourself. What are you going to ban me from this forum? Whocares and do what you have to do.
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Message 137968 (In Reply to Message 137954)
Jake
Posted by dp1
on Jul 26, 2004 05:48 PM | Also by dp1
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I haven't a clue as to why you think I think you should be banned from this forum? Are your thoughts really that cluttered right now? Think about it, do I even have the control to just ban people?
It's pretty obvious that not only do you not take my advice but others as well. Clearly, you're letting your personal feelings get into the way. If I decided to rarely listen to everyone I disliked or thought was arrogant I wouldn't be listening would I?
Good luck with your therapist search. Hopefully, you'll find someone you can listen to. Too bad the first therapist didn't work for you.
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Message 137975 (In Reply to Message 137936)
Apparently
Posted by assumption18
on Jul 26, 2004 08:09 PM | Also by assumption18
| Gender: Male,
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State: District of Columbia,
Country: United States |
You like a host of other people for some reason think nudity will only lead to sexual situations.
I would not like to be present in your bathroom if that is the case.
As for dire attention of help, I think you need some time out from your job, your obviously going insane.
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Message 137984 (In Reply to Message 137975)
A18
Posted by dp1
on Jul 26, 2004 09:15 PM | Also by dp1
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
You're hilarious. I love it when you compared being naked in my bathroom to a sexual offense such as Jake's where he exposed himself in front of a child.
I'm glad you feel comfortable with your pedophilia and it's a good release to joke around, but other people might take you seriously.
All laughing aside, some pedos do minimize things to that degree. It's sad to think that something so inappropriate can actually be compared to a perfectly healthy and appropriate situation.
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Message 137989 (In Reply to Message 137911)
Best advice
Posted by Silverthorne
on Jul 26, 2004 10:59 PM | Also by Silverthorne
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Arizona,
Country: United States |
"I know what you mean by your slight sarcasm about mommy dearest but let me say this. If a naked man was swimming in a lake and had the nerve to walk, sit, stand or swim 1,000 feet from my daughter I'd slap him too. I think a call to the police and DCF would be in order not to mention a call to his parole officer."
In this case it sounds like the boys swam up to the adults right? Either way Jake should've politely LEFT the area when they did.
When I was a boy I'd go to Sauna with my dad and other male cousins (we're Scandanavian and have had sauna in our home for ages). It was common to be undressed then. As I got older (after my abuse) I had a real problem being there with some of my younger male cousins (after I was about 14) because I was attracted to them.
So I quit going..........
Things will happen that are out of your control. You could be skinny-dipping (fine) minding your own business. But a boy walks up nude its time to LEAVE. Hell if a boy walks up and your both clothed... LEAVE..... Don't hang around. Kids around you can cause feelings that stress you out. If you conflicted and tormented by the thoughts like Jake is its best to avoid them.
Just leave the situation asap.
Silverthore
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Message 138199 (In Reply to Message 137968)
Yikes
Posted by KK
on Jul 30, 2004 05:41 AM | Also by KK
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Washington,
Country: United States |
Sounds like you're are in pattern....Anger...denial....justification....I hope that things work out for you!
HEADLINE: RSO/CHILD MOLESTER NAKED WITH CHILD IN LAKE
Can you see obstacle?
Even if the HEADLINE:
RSO/CHILD MOLESTOR SKINNY DIPPING IN PUBLIC LAKE
Can you see the obstacle?
Good luck!
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Message 138688 (In Reply to Message 137759)
Jake
Posted by serenity2004
on Aug 12, 2004 08:26 AM | Also by serenity2004
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Ohio,
Country: United States |
You probably know how opinionated I am from other posts, but I read through all of the posts to your situation here before posting myself.
First of all I would love to know where in the heck these boy's parents were, as my kids would not be allowed to swim in a lake at night, without lifejackets, and without ME.....regardless of naked men or not.
Second.....I do not allow my own children ages 5 and 9 to see me naked, moreless someone elses kids.
Jake, I know that a lot of people have asked the question " what were you thinking.....I can make assumptions all day and all night, and you can saqy whatever you like, but none of us will ever truly know what you were thinking, I have also heard of ....hmmmm....I think it is called dissassociation....where someone doesn't even remember completely thoughts or actions in certain situations.....Are you sure you even remember everything as it actually happened?
You stated that hte boys could see your trunks out on the raft....and that is why they removed theirs....I find that kind of odd.....if it was nightime, and I assume not a lighted area, or why would you be skinnydipping if there was a possibility of people being able to see that well.
Even with nothing in my past that would even make me or anyone else question whether I was a pedophile, as soon as I saw these children, I would have hurriedly put my swimming suit on, as I think it is innapropriate for children to see adults naked (even their parents). I would have then asked the child to do the same, and asked them if their parents knew they were out swimming so late, and if they said yes....I would have said well lets go find out.....(this tactic has worked well in finding out my friends kids were lying)
Jake as you claim you know....as a convicted SO...with a continual attraction to children.....especially this one, you absolutely cannot put yourself in these types of positions.
I do not believe that a grown man has any business having a 30 minute discussion with a 7yr old that he does not know, even if fully clothed, but NAKED....honestly, had it been my child......and there were no other accusations other than that you had sat talking to him with no clothes on, I would have tried to have any and all charges pressed ....and it would not have been me knocking on the door it would have been the police.
Why try to prove to yourself that you can do something that you have no business doing in the first place? You have stated that your thoughts have gone downhill since this situation....why do that to yourself....does it not make you miserable? I have seen numerous posts here that asked if you are on paarole, but I did not see an answer from you.....If you are, is it not a parole violation for you to even be in that close of proximity to a child alone?
It is hard for me to believe that a 7 yr old would make such detailed accusations, had he not seen it or had it done to him before, if not that night, it is my experience that kids that age may have been allowed to watch R movies in which there were men and women together, but unless the parents themselves are super sick and have pedo movies or magazines around, how would he have had such graphic images to describe......Did you conversate with him about any of these things.......Did you ask your friend to give you a little time to see if you could handle it, as 30 minutes seems like an awfully long time to take to go to your room to get some beer.
I am trying, as suggested elsewhere on this forum, to be more forgiving to those that have not directly affected my life, especially those like you who have expressed remorse like yourself......but the most empathetic thing I can say is PLEASE get some HELP, before you act on the thoughts that are again whirling through your head!!!
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137759, JakeLF, Jul 23, 2004 12:56 AM [Accused]
137766, steve, Jul 23, 2004 01:57 AM
137850, assumption18, Jul 24, 2004 03:39 AM [Well there are a few factors to consider]
137855, dp1, Jul 24, 2004 05:43 AM [SUDS]
137770, dp1, Jul 23, 2004 02:40 AM [Jake]
137775, JakeLF, Jul 23, 2004 05:42 AM [friend from grade school]
137794, dp1, Jul 23, 2004 01:33 PM
137813, JakeLF, Jul 23, 2004 03:33 PM [It doesn't matter]
137840, dp1, Jul 23, 2004 08:11 PM [Jake]
137772, myoung, Jul 23, 2004 02:53 AM [okay]
137776, JakeLF, Jul 23, 2004 05:44 AM [I wasn't thinking]
137869, myoung, Jul 24, 2004 03:17 PM [it's a little weird]
137877, JakeLF, Jul 24, 2004 05:51 PM [They Boy admitted nothing happend]
137884, brennus, Jul 24, 2004 10:17 PM [Funny? I don't think SO!]
137938, dp1, Jul 25, 2004 11:49 PM [Brennus]
137941, brennus, Jul 26, 2004 12:55 AM [dp]
137946, dp1, Jul 26, 2004 02:06 AM [Brennus]
137902, Silverthorne, Jul 25, 2004 02:50 AM
137911, dp1, Jul 25, 2004 03:38 AM [Silver]
137915, assumption18, Jul 25, 2004 03:47 AM [A naked man?]
137936, dp1, Jul 25, 2004 11:40 PM [A18]
137975, assumption18, Jul 26, 2004 08:09 PM [Apparently]
137984, dp1, Jul 26, 2004 09:15 PM [A18]
137917, Silverthorne, Jul 25, 2004 06:21 AM
137989, Silverthorne, Jul 26, 2004 10:59 PM [Best advice]
137773, dp1, Jul 23, 2004 03:15 AM [Jake]
137777, JakeLF, Jul 23, 2004 05:48 AM [group]
137789, dp1, Jul 23, 2004 01:22 PM
137842, poetsdreamscape, Jul 23, 2004 10:31 PM [why?]
137893, JakeLF, Jul 25, 2004 02:28 AM [Nothing happend]
137918, Silverthorne, Jul 25, 2004 06:24 AM [Question for Jake]
137937, assumption18, Jul 25, 2004 11:42 PM [It would play]
137942, JakeLF, Jul 26, 2004 01:39 AM [Attracted to both]
137951, dp1, Jul 26, 2004 08:47 AM [Jake]
137954, JakeLF, Jul 26, 2004 01:34 PM [DP1]
137968, dp1, Jul 26, 2004 05:48 PM [Jake]
138199, KK, Jul 30, 2004 05:41 AM [Yikes]
138688, serenity2004, Aug 12, 2004 08:26 AM [Jake]
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