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Message 136929 (In Reply to Message 136928)
MLK lesson here

Posted by Silverthorne on Jul 05, 2004 02:18 AM | Also by Silverthorne

Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Arizona, Country: United States

I'm kind of a fan of Dr. Martin Luther King (funny for a Republican isn't it??).

Dr. King said "judged not by the color of thier skin but by the content of thier character".

Now being an SO isn't a race issue..... or is it?

Lets say all felons are different races. They're all felons. Many have a long history of crimes. Yet lets say they serve thier time and complete probation. They become respectable people.

Do we forever judge them based on thier color or do we judge them on the content of their character (that being what they are now)?

I remember reading in the paper they did a survey and people were asked "if a group of teenagers was walking toward you on the sidewalk" would you be intimidated? Most people said "yes". Then they asked "who would you be more afraid of, the black teen or white teen". Landslide "black" was more scary.

I'd compare SO's to these black teens. They're not even given the chance to become "known" to people or "evolve" past thier offense into law abiding citizens. To most of society they'll always be afraid.

Silverthorne

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Message 136928
Not the same

Posted by Silverthorne on Jul 05, 2004 02:10 AM | Also by Silverthorne

Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Arizona, Country: United States

DP1 there is a big difference between an SO and a different type of felon on probation.

Let's look at them:

1) Felon "A" committed ten residential burglaries before being caught ten years ago.  He was sentenced to three years in prison, got out and is serving ten years probation.  He has to see his PO once a month and is to avoid being out after 10pm or going into bars.

2) Felon "B" committed a sexual assault of a 16 year old boy ten years ago (he fondled him).  He met the boy at a public pool and they talked about things.  Felon B eventually told him he was "gay".  The boy told him he was too.  The man fondled him and someone walked into the locker room.  He was busted.  The boy told the judge it was consensual but to no avail.  He was sentenced to three years in prison, got out and is serving five years probation.

Now Felon A moves in next door to you.  He talks to you over the fence, he seems a little "quiet" but gradually becomes talkative.  You notice he has some unusual tatoos and he admits he was in prison ten years ago.  He was 21 and fell in with a bad crowd.  While in prison he went to finish his HS diploma.  Once out he went to trade school for two years, then went to work at a mechanics shop.  After seven years he saved enough money to open his own garage.  He is nice and personable.

What do you think?

Now Felon B moves in next door.  Two days after you see the moving van out front of the house the sheriff comes by and passes out a flier.  He is a "sexual predator".  The flier doesnt say exactly what he did just that he was convicted of sexual assault of a child.  Before you can put down the flier your neighbor calls up.  "Did you see that?????".  Now theres a home owners association meeting that week.  Suddenly Felon B is on the agenda.

Meanwhile Felon B is unpacking.  He knows he's been fliered but he served his time.  He's 35, a college graduate, and started a home-based internet business (say web design).  He's made some money and continued his training.  He had no other sexual offenses (or other crimes) in his past.  He knows he's homosexual but wasn't sure when he fondled the boy (who was 16 at a public pool).

Needless to say Felon B doesn't even get a chance to say "hello" to his neighbors.  Rather then be known by who he is now and what he's become he'll be tarnished with his past.  Because he never had the opportunity (like Felon A) to "come out" about his past and become a good neighbor he'll be isolated.

So you see there is a big difference.  Regardless of what Felon B does he will NEVER be accepted in the neighborhood.  Not like Felon A is.  Oh sure some people will still fear Felon A but not with the same ferocity as Felon B.

Silverthorne

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136784, fallenone, Jul 01, 2004 04:10 PM [A most dangerous game]
      136847, dp1, Jul 03, 2004 04:39 AM
            136860, Navigatr1, Jul 03, 2004 02:35 PM
                  136872, fallenone, Jul 03, 2004 07:14 PM [The better way is not the easier way]
                        136878, dp1, Jul 04, 2004 02:26 AM [F1]
                  136893, dp1, Jul 04, 2004 11:45 AM
                        136915, Silverthorne, Jul 04, 2004 09:30 PM [Problem is....]
                              136920, dp1, Jul 04, 2004 11:53 PM [Silver]
                                    137087, myoung, Jul 08, 2004 02:57 PM [dp1]
                        137002, fallenone, Jul 06, 2004 10:49 PM
                              137019, dp1, Jul 07, 2004 03:50 AM
                                    137092, fallenone, Jul 08, 2004 07:12 PM
                                          137105, dp1, Jul 09, 2004 02:37 AM [Generalizing]
                                                137150, fallenone, Jul 09, 2004 04:45 PM
                                                      137194, dp1, Jul 10, 2004 04:44 AM [F1]
                                                            137972, fallenone, Jul 26, 2004 07:07 PM [You just don't g...]
                                                                  137978, dp1, Jul 26, 2004 08:13 PM
                                                                        138085, fallenone, Jul 28, 2004 05:20 PM
                  136894, dp1, Jul 04, 2004 11:51 AM
                        136916, Silverthorne, Jul 04, 2004 09:35 PM [Not entirely true]
                              136919, dp1, Jul 04, 2004 11:49 PM [Silver]
                                    136928, Silverthorne, Jul 05, 2004 02:10 AM [Not the same]
                                          136929, Silverthorne, Jul 05, 2004 02:18 AM [MLK lesson here]
                                          136931, dp1, Jul 05, 2004 03:57 AM [Silver]
                                                136979, Silverthorne, Jul 06, 2004 06:49 AM
                                                      136986, dp1, Jul 06, 2004 10:45 AM [OK]
                                                            136992, Silverthorne, Jul 06, 2004 06:14 PM [Well....]
                                                                  137003, dp1, Jul 06, 2004 10:54 PM [Silver]
                                                                        137023, Silverthorne, Jul 07, 2004 07:22 AM [DP1]
                        137085, Navigatr1, Jul 08, 2004 02:56 PM [Isolation]
      136875, assumption18, Jul 03, 2004 09:50 PM [It starts with change.]
            136882, Silverthorne, Jul 04, 2004 03:44 AM [About FreeSpirits]
                  136883, myoung, Jul 04, 2004 04:06 AM [okay...thanks silver]
                  136888, dp1, Jul 04, 2004 04:38 AM
            136889, steve, Jul 04, 2004 05:15 AM
                  136901, assumption18, Jul 04, 2004 04:21 PM [More about me]
                        136910, dp1, Jul 04, 2004 08:26 PM [A18]
                              136917, assumption18, Jul 04, 2004 10:53 PM [Thankyou for your questions]
                                    136925, Silverthorne, Jul 05, 2004 01:59 AM [Assumption]
                                          136932, dp1, Jul 05, 2004 04:11 AM [A18]
                                                136941, assumption18, Jul 05, 2004 01:12 PM [About Love]
                                                      136943, dp1, Jul 05, 2004 03:06 PM [A18]
                                                            136944, assumption18, Jul 05, 2004 03:42 PM [I see what yo...]
                                                                  136951, dp1, Jul 05, 2004 07:23 PM
                                                                        136955, assumption18, Jul 05, 2004 09:28 PM [My reply]
                                                                              136958, steve, Jul 05, 2004 10:02 PM
                                                                              136959, dp1, Jul 05, 2004 10:09 PM [Will Move th...]
                                                            136945, assumption18, Jul 05, 2004 04:35 PM [Second reply...]
                                                                  136952, dp1, Jul 05, 2004 07:36 PM
                                                136993, Silverthorne, Jul 06, 2004 06:17 PM ["Love" and boylovers]
                                                      136994, Silverthorne, Jul 06, 2004 06:20 PM [DP1]
                                          136940, assumption18, Jul 05, 2004 01:05 PM [Where the line is drawn]
                                                136954, dp1, Jul 05, 2004 07:54 PM [Drawing Lines]

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