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Message 136687 (In Reply to Message 136678)

Posted by fallenone on Jun 28, 2004 07:19 PM | Also by fallenone

Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Ohio, Country: United States

I agree with acts here. Your indiscretions do not nullify nor justify indescretions done to you. I hid the facts at first myself but eventually it had to come out. But in my 3 years of time I had little trouble. I would not let people run me over. ironically you have taken a victim stance typical of someone who has been abused. You are still human despite what the establishment says and don't forget it. Whatever you do, don't let people continue to oppress you or you might break weak and go back to the old way and we both don't want that to happen, right?

F1

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Message 136678
I Fought Back

Posted by acts2413 on Jun 28, 2004 03:20 PM | Also by acts2413

Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: District of Columbia, Country: United States

Jake, I was saddened by your prison experience. I was locked up in Ohio. I did not commit the crime I was accused of, but I did the time as if I had and I understand what happened to you.

I on the other hand would not tolerate anyone in the same joint to speak down to me, harass me, or anything else. My twist: the prison I was in got all of the regional newspapers- so as my case worked it's way thru appeals- well- my story was often in the paper. Denying guilt of an offense was tough as well because the general sentiment (a fallacy, nevertheless) is that people dont lie about sex abuse. Well, my counter was that everyone on that side of the fence understood just how the police and prosecutors lie and corrupt the process. Most understood that since judges are elected in Ohio that it is not good politically for any judge/prosecutor to let anyone accused of a sex crime escape; innocent or guilty! All accepted that innocent people were convicted, BUT, somehow they had a hard time accepting that I was one of them because of the nature of the crime. Well, upon closer inquiry, I always found that my biggest critics- although they acknowledged all I've said- had REALLY been guilty of what they were convicted even though they denied it- so because they were truly guilty- then in their minds- everyone else had to be too. I made it clear that I alone was the expert of my case and knew exactly what happened and what didn't and noone in the joint could say for sure what happened. Anyone interested, I shared what really happened and showed the paperwork and proof. Others who just wanted to make trouble- I challenged and them and had to fight. Won most, lost a few. Gained respect. After the first few months, I didn't have any more trouble- at all. In fatc, as the case continued (still on appeal believe it or not), many watched how the story changed in the papers as the prosecutors/police kept spinning the facts. One final thing that worked for me- was as my brothers (anyone convicted is my brother) got to know me and staff saw me work, my lifestyle was different from the story in the papers.

I was accused of abusing two 14y/o boys. Ohio prisons have kids locked up as young as 12. They kept those under 18 in the same housing area, but they were out in population sharing the gym, rec yard, weight rooms, etc. Some had "sugar daddies". The point is I could have easily "continued" the same conduct that I was accused of right there had I been guilty. Yep, prisoners forget little. So, in my 3 years, I never was involved in any "inside scandals". This alone was a testimony against the allegations.

All that said- I fought back. I stood up for myself. The point was noone on that side of the fence was in any better position to harass me (regardless of my innocence) and I didn't stand for it in the first instance. Why didn't you fight back?

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136632, JakeLF, Jun 27, 2004 08:28 PM [Prison Life for a Pedophile]
      136641, dp1, Jun 27, 2004 11:13 PM [Jake]
            136665, Silverthorne, Jun 28, 2004 06:16 AM [Rape]
      136678, acts2413, Jun 28, 2004 03:20 PM [I Fought Back]
            136687, fallenone, Jun 28, 2004 07:19 PM
                  137033, tryingtosurvive, Jul 07, 2004 01:20 PM [Prison is a stupid place]
                        137038, dp1, Jul 07, 2004 02:49 PM [TTS]
                              137126, tryingtosurvive, Jul 09, 2004 12:58 PM [I was on remand..]

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