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Forum: The Other Side
Thread (Discussion): Women that lie about rape
Message 136545
Posted by tryingtosurvive
on Jun 25, 2004 01:50 PM | Also by tryingtosurvive
| Gender: Male,
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It is almost a year since I was arrested and imprisoned on an accusation of rape. Those that have been here a while may remember my nick name and my angst and blind panic and fear.. Those that haven't might consider the possibility that some "rape cases" might be flat out fabrications.
I only spent a week in prison but I lost my job and the legal bills are sucking money away from my prime objective. I got bashed in prison as well, which was mildly interesting. The other prisoners read a tabloid writeup of my crimes in a Sunday Tabloid and decided prosecution of justice should be thier perogative too.
Right now I must report to the police station in the city I am based in I in 3 days a week and I am on a surety that is far higher than any of the rapists and murderers that ever hit the seven o'clock news.
Guys getting dragged away on five grand surety under camera lights with blankets over thier heads. Man!! I got my ugly face from mug shot direct from cop shop sent to sunday splash tabloid and twenty grand. The DPP didnt want me on the streets EVER! (They threw the book at me. ) Aparently it had something to do with my erect penis being in places it never should have been. It took me 20 minutes of charges being read to reply " not guilty " to the lot. I wound up back on the streets, on bail despite the menace I present to the community. ( The complianant is a woman my own age 40 + FYI )
About 3 weeks ago I got a job doing science that involved me travelling all over the country and I dont have to report to anyone - the DPP agreed ,no contest. And I am - I fly planes to places, oil might be found - I determine the physical nature of the planet we live on and quantify it for the use of geologists. I do have to report 3 times a week to to my local cop shop IF I am in town but I get to decide if I am in town or not . Here you see me, now you dont !!!.. think I might take my girlfriend down to the wine growing spots for a slurp and a giggle and a bit of R&R and heavy DND...
The information like the "record of interview " and the "complainants statement " are only now dribbling in and they are full of crazy stuff. Utter bollocks.
I would be content to hold this crap off for ever except I need my pasport to go work geophysics in `Africa and visit my sister in London.
The lack of proffessionalism that the Deticive, that busted me I now realise is embarrassing to all concerned - he has been sent to the Australian equivalent of Siberia and if I ever get that slacker in a court room I will flay him skinless. The DPP dont want the ignomony-they are shoegazing.
But what of a lieing woman that - if belived could have seen me in jail for 8 years? It was a flat out lie - should she do that kinda time ?
I dont hate her of feel any need for vengence ... I just think she should be spending some time in prison and be on some kinda register to warn other guys ... I am out of pocket to the tune of 20 thousand dollars over this mischief ... a naughty little feminist prank."hehehehehe ;@) .This is how we gals keep men in thier place hhehehehhehe;_) "
BTW .... my prime objective is an RV 4 with sunlight under the wheels. ... great little tandem 2 seater...
Kind Regards
TTS
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Message 136557 (In Reply to Message 136545)
To Steve
Posted by dp1
on Jun 25, 2004 11:14 PM | Also by dp1
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Looks like TTS accidently posted to the victims corner. Can you move this post to "The Other Side" forum?
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Message 136564 (In Reply to Message 136557)
?????
Posted by orolan
on Jun 26, 2004 03:01 AM | Also by orolan
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Hmmmm.
So why is TTS not allowed to post his story in V&S? Is he not a victim of a sex-related crime? Has that crime not caused him extreme emotional harm that will most likely stay with him the rest of his life?
Or do you think his story might hit just a little too close to home with some of the alleged "victims" in that forum?
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Message 136566 (In Reply to Message 136564)
Posted by dp1
on Jun 26, 2004 03:14 AM | Also by dp1
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Is the victim's forum for victim's of sexual abuse?
Is the Other side forum for SO issues?
So what's your point Orolan?
Steve went out of his way to create the other side so SO's can speak their mind. If a SO or someone who was arrested, accused, or whatever their legal status is feels as though they are a victim of the system then great. Here's the forum to express those feelings. I am not passing judgement on TTS. He isn't even convicted at this point. His victimization of the legal system or whatever his beef is can be discussed in the appropriate forum.
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Message 136568 (In Reply to Message 136564)
Posted by deadmomwalking
on Jun 26, 2004 03:53 AM | Also by deadmomwalking
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Orolan, you are very right that his story might strike a chord with some people in the Victim's corner and that is because some of them have had the perpetrators of their crimes get off scot free, because, contrary to what is frequently expressed on this board it just isn't that easy to convict a sexual offender based on a he said/she said scenario. My guess is that there are a lot more guilty sex offenders that get off than innocent men that are convicted. Well, not just my guess. It is also the opinion of most police officers, social workers, sex offender therapists, and the public in general. It seems the opinion of some people here is that if it can't be proved, beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, it didn't happen. That is just wrong.
I notice you said "alleged" victims. I take offense at that. Did I ever accuse you of lying? Did anyone on the victim's board accuse tryingtosurvive of lying, or ask him what exactly was the nature of the consensual sex that got him in trouble? I am sure there are people who come here and lie about what they have done or haven't. We only ever hear one side of the story and even if the person believes they are being truthful what we are hearing is not necessarily the literal truth. I am well aware that that may apply to victims as well as SO's. However, it is not for me or you to accuse people who come here of lying unless we have some proof that is true.
TTS is not a victim of a sex-related crime. If what he said is true he is a victim of libel. TTS, no offense to you. I have no reason not to believe you, any more than Orolan has any reason not to believe people who post to the Victim's Board.
Meanwhile, who is responding to SO's on this board who are really struggling? Take a look.
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Message 136569 (In Reply to Message 136566)
Posted by steve
on Jun 26, 2004 04:04 AM | Also by steve
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I moved the thread here because it seemed like a more appropriate location. I didn't notice what forum it was originally in until dp1 brought it to my attention since the pending queue doesn't show the forum name (something I need to address). tryingtosurvive very well may be a victim, but if so he's a victim of a fabricated accusation and imperfect justice system, not a victim of a sex crime. Unfortunately there isn't a forum dedicated to such circumstances, but a forum dedicated to such topics isn't yet justifiable since it's my policy to keep the number of forums as low as possible and to only add forums when there's either enough discussion volume or to deliniate discussion as required. If this isn't an appropriate forum for this thread I invite tryingtosurvive to contact me by Private Message and I'll be glad to move it to the General forum if he prefers.
tryingtosurvive's situation is one that should be heard and discussed, but I didn't think the original forum location was the best fit. It didn't dawn on me that the move would be ill-received.
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Message 136575 (In Reply to Message 136569)
This above all - to thine own self be true.
Posted by tryingtosurvive
on Jun 26, 2004 11:42 AM | Also by tryingtosurvive
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Dear Steve,
I am fine with your decision to put my thread either here or on General. Really speaking I am not a "victim of a sex crime" but more a person against whom good laws have been subverted to a mischevious effect. The point of my post was that the checks and balances in the legal system are starting to kick in, now that more experienced practicioners in the prosecuters office are begining to weigh my case and find the flaws in it.
Since this whole horrible thing happened I have searched my soul to own any culpabiltiy and to see how matters of this kind play out for others.
It is true that many cases I have sat in court on have amounted to a he said / she said, that if I were not duty bound to find beyond reasonable doubt, I would call rape and the party has walked. Others have been ambiguous and, of course, same deal.
I find common ground with "victims" in that I refuse to call my self a victim and also that I want to forgive and understand the motives and the nature of the emotional failings of my attacker.
There would be no point in bothering to post lies here. Assuredly you are all real people with real lives, but to me you are ephemera and the only point of posting here, is to use your feedback to help me ask myself questions I may not have thought of. If I had found myself culpable to a degree that I would have got away with something on reasonable doubt I would never put myself through that again by being very circumspect with future encounters if an element of criminality on my part were a precipitating factor.
My case is really strange and the confidentiality associated with subjudicy precludes me going into depth but when the matter is resolved I will give you guys the wide brown dirt - if you are interested.
I know a Principal of a prestigious private school who's career was ruined and who is as innocent as I am. The DPP dropped all charges but the media made the guy look like the "one that got away" since they had been dining out , buzzardlike, on the roadkill of his life's unimpunable work despite his innocence.
I pray he like me will move on and get a real man's job and rise above the stings of the petty, jealous and crippled.
Kind Regards
TTS
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Message 136616 (In Reply to Message 136568)
dmw
Posted by myoung
on Jun 27, 2004 06:39 AM | Also by myoung
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I agree...we, as victims or parents of victims, take the stories and rarely queston their honesty. We are giving the SO the benefit of the doubt here. And, I agree with the alleged victime remarks....it's disoncerting. There are far less false claims than real claims of sexual abuse so making statements like that underminds the entire premise of our being here and speaking up.
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Message 136625 (In Reply to Message 136616)
PLS explain?
Posted by tryingtosurvive
on Jun 27, 2004 02:50 PM | Also by tryingtosurvive
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I dont quite get your thrust. It is certainly true that guys like me that get crried "wolf " on make it awkward for some globaly rolling campaign. Prosecuters and feminists alike hate a piece of sand in thier eye.
They found an innocent man and a lazy copper thought he could get a result by sticking it in and snapping it off. Just like lazy cause driven feminists want neatly tucked away rapists and boogiemen .
Damn it must be so tricky to stand astride society with all the questions and answers solved only to find , annoyingly , real life refuses to conform with a blink of the eye take ...
Any how I would be happy to be enlightened .
Kind Regards
TTS
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Message 136636 (In Reply to Message 136625)
TTS
Posted by dp1
on Jun 27, 2004 09:46 PM | Also by dp1
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I'll stick my neck out a little here, but I think we can all agree that it's possible to be falsely accused of rape and it's also possible it happened to you.
But, in all fairness you must agree or at least acknowledge that there must be far more rapes that either go unreported, unprosecuted or unproven then there are false accusations.
I am not trying to say or pass judgement on your situation just trying to verbalize a real sore spot for a lot of women. Women tend to live in fear more then men do of being raped since women are more commonly raped then men. Does that make any sense?
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Message 136655 (In Reply to Message 136625)
PLS speak english
Posted by myoung
on Jun 28, 2004 02:27 AM | Also by myoung
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I am not even sure what the heck you are asking me to respond to. Try and be a little less floral verbally. Your point will come across cleaner. What I said in my post was that the alleged victim making false accusations is disconcerting to me because it undermines the reality of some brutal rapes that really do occur.
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Message 136664 (In Reply to Message 136545)
Silverthorne's justice
Posted by Silverthorne
on Jun 28, 2004 06:14 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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I have a good idea. How about a law that says anyone who fabricates a crime that would cause a prison sentence of an innocent would themselves have to serve the same sentence (and probation) the "victim" of thier lie would've had to if found guilty?
Silverthorne
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Message 136669 (In Reply to Message 136625)
Posted by deadmomwalking
on Jun 28, 2004 10:58 AM | Also by deadmomwalking
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I think the point myoung and I were trying to make was that, while we (the people who inhabit the V&S corner ) took what you said at face value, Orolan made a point of saying your post was moved because it would strike too close to home for some of the "alleged victims" on that part of the board, implying that some of the victims were, like your accuser, making false accusations. I found that insulting. The fact is that most sexual offenders deny they have done anything wrong when they are caught (one sexual offender therapist estimates something like 90%). That being said, we have no reason not to believe what YOU say. It's just that often our or our children's rapists have said the same thing.
I quite agree that people who make false allegations should be punished. As is evident from this board even if those instances are rare they are held up as examples and people generalize from those instances so that other victims with legitimate complaints are not taken seriously. However, as I said before Silverthorne, to be fair, then, rapists who lie about what they did should have to serve double time - one sentence for their offense and one sentence for lying. After all by lying about what they did they are damaging the reputation of their victim.
There is a whole grey area, that would be an interesting discussion, about what exactly is consent, the difference in men's and women's viewpoint of what rape or coerced sex entails, and what is needed to establish consent (beyond age of consent). I would be interested in hearing opinions on that. From what I have observed men and women's view on this can be quite different.
I'll give you an example. One of the guys where I work came in to the office and started talking about how wild one of the graduation parties at his son's school was. Kids did various stupid things but then he told us about one girl who had been given so many drinks that she was practically comatose and how a bunch of the guys "passed her around" taking turns with her. The guys who were in the office starting laughing, and the women stared icily. I said, "If that story's true, it's a police matter. How would you feel if it was your daughter who was being passed around?" The guys, who are a nice, respectable regular bunch of guys looked really sheepish and the guy who was telling the story started back-pedalling. A fairly heated discussion followed with opinions generally drawn down gender lines.
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Message 136675 (In Reply to Message 136616)
mussolini had the same problem
Posted by tryingtosurvive
on Jun 28, 2004 01:48 PM | Also by tryingtosurvive
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The entire premise of your being revs unstable women to join in with the entire premise of your being .... It was interesting that before she had me in to the cops she told me from a position of feminist surety "Men get a raw deal" ......have you ever been processeddd into prison ?
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Message 136679 (In Reply to Message 136664)
Silverthorne Justice to the Rescue!!! Bring it on!
Posted by acts2413
on Jun 28, 2004 03:45 PM | Also by acts2413
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Yes, I agree with Silver...
But, what happens when the accuser is a minor? In my case, I went to prison in Ohio, and there they incarcerate kids as young as 12.
Would you support the law even if the kid was somehow coerced by the prosecutor and/or police detectives and investigators?
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Message 136689 (In Reply to Message 136675)
don't think so
Posted by myoung
on Jun 28, 2004 08:11 PM | Also by myoung
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I never put myself in positions where there is the chance I might go to prison. I try to always have good judgment whenever I can. I know plenty of people who have been in jail and prison and they all had used bad judgment in certain situations or they were simply career criminals. Not a single one I know was there because they were victims of the system. They all did something outside the letter of the law and paid the price for it. Your case may be different and if that is the case, then she should be punished for lying....plain and simple.
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Message 136690 (In Reply to Message 136679)
incarcerate how
Posted by myoung
on Jun 28, 2004 08:14 PM | Also by myoung
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Where do they place these 12 year olds?? The kid who abused my baby is sitting next door and is often ouside riding his go kart around the cul de sac as if all was well. I wish I lived in Ohio!!
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Message 136695 (In Reply to Message 136690)
Posted by dp1
on Jun 28, 2004 11:06 PM | Also by dp1
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It is extremely rare that a 12 year old would be treated as an adult by the Court and sent to adult prisons. It would only happen if the crimes were horrendous, such as murder or rape. If and when it does happen, most prisons try to house them with other young adults.
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Message 136724 (In Reply to Message 136545)
Consider yourself blessed
Posted by fallenone
on Jun 29, 2004 05:30 PM | Also by fallenone
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Just be thankful the liar was not a kid or you'd have been crucified upside down
The Fallen One
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Message 137130 (In Reply to Message 136669)
America - your standing in it
Posted by tryingtosurvive
on Jul 09, 2004 01:33 PM | Also by tryingtosurvive
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cant you think that one through ? !! It is as plain as day. One of you guys said once that he found it self evident that "the pursuit of happyness" should be part of your gig . it was a bloody good idea but most of you have filed it in the circular recepticle .. Why did you guys dis on the commonwealth in 1776 or when ever it was - face it you made a big blue . If you hadnt done that you would have a system of government that works. You wouldnt be naming laws after people. Why wont Americans stay true to the ideals they built for themselves?
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Message 137305 (In Reply to Message 137130)
Posted by deadmomwalking
on Jul 12, 2004 08:45 AM | Also by deadmomwalking
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TTS,
Sorry, what are you on about? Actually I'm Canadian, which is still part of the Commonwealth, but um anyway I'm not exactly sure what that or the Declaration of Independence has to do with what I said or this thread for that matter. Are you saying that in the pursuit of happiness guys should be allowed to gang rape comatose teenage girls? On the other hand I am getting a better idea of your conception of "consent".
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Message 138892 (In Reply to Message 137305)
Some clarification ..
Posted by tryingtosurvive
on Aug 18, 2004 03:53 PM | Also by tryingtosurvive
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What I was having a go at when I was ranting about the US legal system was it's amatuerism, with all it's bounty hunters and possie mentalities and it 's susceptibility to perniciuos influence from start up politicians on the make. Those looking for a nieche consituancy. We have such extremists in Australia of course, but our system filters them out as best as it can because it is based on the British Justice System that has been tried through blood and strife for a thousand years.
Your constitution is a wonderfull and inspiring document and all the more dissapionting in how far short of this heady ideal is the reality you seem content to accept - and even worse to promulgate.
I will deal with the other phase of queries in the next post .
Regards
TTS
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Message 138894 (In Reply to Message 137305)
Issues about consent
Posted by tryingtosurvive
on Aug 18, 2004 04:35 PM | Also by tryingtosurvive
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"Are you saying that in the pursuit of happiness guys should be allowed to gang rape comatose teenage girls?"
Not sure how you arrive at that configuration .
Call me square but if ever a date was comatose or even a bit squiffy the go was to wait for morning - and share a hangover sweat cure. If it seemed more curative than a hike in the woods or a good chin wag or both.
There is NEVER an instance where a man or woman deserves to be defiled - have thier head shaven - have liberties taken with thier person - or be humiliated in any way because they were the worse for drink. Such an action is reprehensible in the extreme and requires a remedy at law.
The way I have always worked it is that my lady guest has a seperate bedroom where she can go if she so wishes and this is pointed out early in the evening. If she winds up worse for drink then I carry her there and tuck her in and make sure she is OK regardless - if she is verging on sick then I will sit up till she is safe to sleep. I hate that - too much like un nessesary first aid - and most of my ladies have never required that option though that was all ways an explicit choice.
Probably the worst of it has been for the ladies that gracsed my life - I was ceasselessly reading Poetry and yabbereing on. Often when I felt them coming on too strong for sex and I was nervous I used this as a displacement activity.
Mostly people know who they are and what they want - remember I am In my mid fourties - I only ever make overtures to women of my own age.
Imagine my horror at being charged with rape after I made a date with a woman my own age who i treated like a gentleman and better ...treated her like a China Doll ... and she up and biffs me on a rape charge ....
can you see why I am reevaluating all sortsa of things ? Prison was interesting ...
HUH?
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Message 138908 (In Reply to Message 136545)
That's tough.
Posted by truechange
on Aug 19, 2004 01:30 PM | Also by truechange
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Wow, it must be tough. As an RSO I do worroy about false acusations myself. I often think that if someone is raped or some child is molested near my area that they would arrest me just because of my past. The pastor at my church talked with me about ways to protect myself against false accusations. I list some here.
When I'm at church there is always a decon or someone of athourity in the church watching me at all time. What's more is that I don't know who it is. Therefore, if someone decided's to falsely accuse me of something I've got a built in alaby. I use a Check Card to purchase gorceries and things that way I have a paper trail of places I've been.
There was a story on National Public Radio here in the States. There was a young white medical student that had been brutaly killed and raped in Chicago. There was hugh public out cry to find the killer(s). Turns out the blamed it on 2 young black men. Both had small misdemeanors on their records but they maintained their inoscence throughout the trial. They spent 15 years in prison until they found a lawyer that specialized in getting falsy accused people out of prison then sueing th government big time for compensation. She spent 18 months and close to 50,000 of her own money on the case. Turns out the semen found in the woman did notmatch the semen of the two young men. They got out. They did find the criminal that raped the woman.
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Message 138963 (In Reply to Message 138894)
date
Posted by truechange
on Aug 20, 2004 01:29 PM | Also by truechange
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Let me ask, why did you ask this woman out on a date? Don't take me wrong it's just that did you ask her out because you're looking fora potential spouse or did you ask her out just becuase she was cute or something mundane like that?
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Message 139645 (In Reply to Message 136545)
Posted by swla
on Sep 11, 2004 07:05 AM | Also by swla
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I didn't read all the posts, they started to go into another topic which I do agree that TTS is not a victim of a sex crime. Someone who was taken advantage against their will in a sexual way and feel violated. He is a victim of the system and that lady's accusation.
My question though is weather TTS has thought about what he might have said/done whatever for her to go off and accuse him of such an act. Did his attitude/manner/thought process make her that angry to do such a mean act? Could it have been avoided then? If so, is there a chance that he will not make the same mistake twice? Don't only look at yourself as the victim. Meaning that if she is just a mean quack, how did you end up with her being around you in the first place? How did someone with that mentality end up in your presence? Was it your choice to see her or did she pull you into the relationship? What can you do to change to where this does not happen again or have yourself in this type of relationship again? You found her once, how do you know your not going to go out there again and find her twin?
Just some questions to get you digging below the cream coating. You do not have to answer these questions to us, though it would help us all to better understand ourselves and how we got/get ourselves into the situations we have/do. I'm not trying to place blame, mearly trying to see how you arrived at the situation you are in. To maybe help you not get yourself back into another one just like it.
swla
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Message 139663 (In Reply to Message 139645)
Posted by dp1
on Sep 12, 2004 12:59 AM | Also by dp1
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I didn't read all the posts, they started to go into another topic which I do agree that TTS is not a victim of a sex crime. Someone who was taken advantage against their will in a sexual way and feel violated. He is a victim of the system and that lady's accusation.
I thought he was arrested for a crime and is pending Court action. Hmmm. Where did the role of victim come from? I hardly think anyone pending sex charges is a victim. Now there's an interesting twist.
Just curious. How many sex offenders have you known in your life actually admit fully to their crimes BEFORE their trial?
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Message 139666 (In Reply to Message 139663)
Posted by swla
on Sep 12, 2004 02:54 AM | Also by swla
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I thought he was arrested for a crime and is pending Court action. Hmmm. Where did the role of victim come from?
I had read in a previous post that his thread was moved from the Victims forum. I was agreeing that he is NOT a victim. Then went on to describe who a victim is. I see that I worded that sentence wrong to get the first point across, and also did not include some needed words in my next sentence. I'll reword it now.
Someone who was taken advantage against their will in a sexual way and feel violated.
Should have read like this.
A victim is someone who was taken advantage against their will in a sexual way and feel violated.
Now the last quote is due to a long day and even later night.
He is a victim of the system and that lady's accusation.
I must have misunderstood because I thought he was through with the case already and was coming here just to vent. I did not understand it to be the case was still pending. Sorry for the mix up. I scratch that statement.
What I was really just trying to do, was to get him thinking what he may have done to put himself in this situation, and not look at himself just as a victim. Wheather he is or not, he does have that right. Weather anyone else, including myself, disagree.
swla
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Message 139695 (In Reply to Message 139666)
Posted by dp1
on Sep 13, 2004 01:49 AM | Also by dp1
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No problem. Surely there are men who have been accused of rape and were not found guilty. TTS might be one. But, I wouldn't go as far as saying that he's been victimized at this point. It's a little early to tell, and we surely don't know what evidence they have against him in all fairness.
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136545, tryingtosurvive, Jun 25, 2004 01:50 PM
136557, dp1, Jun 25, 2004 11:14 PM [To Steve]
136564, orolan, Jun 26, 2004 03:01 AM [?????]
136566, dp1, Jun 26, 2004 03:14 AM
136569, steve, Jun 26, 2004 04:04 AM
136575, tryingtosurvive, Jun 26, 2004 11:42 AM [This above all - to thine ...]
136568, deadmomwalking, Jun 26, 2004 03:53 AM
136616, myoung, Jun 27, 2004 06:39 AM [dmw]
136625, tryingtosurvive, Jun 27, 2004 02:50 PM [PLS explain?]
136636, dp1, Jun 27, 2004 09:46 PM [TTS]
136655, myoung, Jun 28, 2004 02:27 AM [PLS speak english]
136669, deadmomwalking, Jun 28, 2004 10:58 AM
137130, tryingtosurvive, Jul 09, 2004 01:33 PM [America - your stan...]
137305, deadmomwalking, Jul 12, 2004 08:45 AM
138892, tryingtosurvive, Aug 18, 2004 03:53 PM [Some clarific...]
138894, tryingtosurvive, Aug 18, 2004 04:35 PM [Issues about ...]
138963, truechange, Aug 20, 2004 01:29 PM [date]
136675, tryingtosurvive, Jun 28, 2004 01:48 PM [mussolini had the same pro...]
136689, myoung, Jun 28, 2004 08:11 PM [don't think so]
136664, Silverthorne, Jun 28, 2004 06:14 AM [Silverthorne's justice]
136679, acts2413, Jun 28, 2004 03:45 PM [Silverthorne Justice to the Rescue!!! Brin...]
136690, myoung, Jun 28, 2004 08:14 PM [incarcerate how]
136695, dp1, Jun 28, 2004 11:06 PM
136724, fallenone, Jun 29, 2004 05:30 PM [Consider yourself blessed]
138908, truechange, Aug 19, 2004 01:30 PM [That's tough.]
139645, swla, Sep 11, 2004 07:05 AM
139663, dp1, Sep 12, 2004 12:59 AM
139666, swla, Sep 12, 2004 02:54 AM
139695, dp1, Sep 13, 2004 01:49 AM
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