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Message 137004 (In Reply to Message 136887)
reforming the system stating with one

Posted by fallenone on Jul 06, 2004 11:42 PM | Also by fallenone

Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Ohio, Country: United States

What make you think I'm NOT a success? Despite people like you who would lock me up for being homeless, I am back on my feet. I proved people wrong again, all those who doubted I'd make it, those who tried to stop me. I did it on my own. In the end it was good old fashioned perseverance that got me this far and it will take me even higher. And regarding my age I've lived more in my 27 years than most peopple have. Regardless age and what you've gone through means nothing if you've learned nothing from it. Face it you've learned little more than an overwhelming cynicism and negative viewpoint on SOs that permeates thoughout your posts. And I'll decline any of the other offers. I have enough knowledge about your career and see why it is always in need of reform. Reforming a system begins within the people behind the reform. It starts with all the disenchanted people who work these jobs who forget they are dealing with human lives not just chattle. It's one thing to push some nameless face off to some treatment camp and force him to shell out fees for undesired services but it's another to actually care about this person to remember this person sitting across fromn you is a human being who has made a mistake. As long as you continue to see all SOs as hopeless then the longer you put actual human lives at risk. People without hope just want to take the path of least resistance. Hopeless people won't go the extra mile, won't extend a hand, take a leap of faith. I'm fortunate I found people who don't see me that way. I haven't disappointed them. The only one I'll disappoint is you since I'm breaking the hopeless SO mold you have tried to put us all in.

The Fallen One

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Message 136887
F1

Posted by dp1 on Jul 04, 2004 04:31 AM | Also by dp1

Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Florida, Country: United States

<blockquote> You are still offended I question your abilities to do your job.</blockquote>

You’ve missed my point altogether. It’s the lack of healthy boundaries, sticking to the issues and attacking on the personal level, which causes dividing I have serious issues with.

<blockquote> . And I suppose you didn't go to college or you'd know almost evey college in the country makes you intern for most degrees.</blockquote>

And I suppose F1 aka Mr. Details hasn’t been reading or comprehending my posts; if you did you would know that I am retired military, a college graduate and a PO as my second career. It’s amazing how little in reality you actually know about me even though this information has been posted. For someone that fixates on details and on my personal issues, may I suggest getting your facts straight before you jump to illogical conclusions? Talk about contradiction……

I realize your perception of LE is totally off base because of your lack of experience. If all I had was a criminal justice major I might have distorted views of the career field also. I am surprised though how much you claim to know about details, yet you weren’t aware of the basic requirements for a PO.  I also see in your profile your still in your 20’s and that explains a lot. But, immaturity doesn’t account for all the irrational conclusions and the resentment you feel towards the establishment nor does it explain your resentment towards me because you can’t get the experience as you once desired before your crime.

<blockquote> I also realize your knowledge in many places is quite inadequate.</blockquote>

My knowledge is limited to my life experiences both personal and professional as is yours and everyone else’s. I realize I post very few details about my personal life for very good reason, and I speak in general terms about probation and parole cases for obvious reasons. Either you benefit from my experiences or you don’t. I never once said I know everything about everything and I’m extremely disturbed by someone in your shoes thinking that you do. So far, all I’ve seen from you is resentment and negativity. Unfortunately, I do not benefit from your experiences because I find you are the exception. Life is not all doom and gloom. There are many successful SO’s. I have posted about some successful stories and make no bones about how many actually do get on with their lives. I do not share the grim views that you and some others on this forum tend to have.

I noticed you never objected to the numerous posts I’ve posted to or about SO’s that put them in a positive light. It’s when I share the common goal or views of “the establishment” you have issues. Were you thinking that you were going to get into LE to fight the system? To debate issues with establishment? To change the world? I find it a compliment that you recognize I do support the system and enforce laws. That is what I get paid to do.

I can understand someone thinking a PO was ill equipped to do their job if they failed to arrest someone who violated their probation, was too stupid to handcuff a dangerous offender who escaped from custody and hurt someone, or didn’t report drug abuse or contact with children to the Courts. I could even see how a PO would be considered incompetent if they failed to refer a SO to sex offender treatment or if they failed to file the registration paperwork in a timely fashion. We all make mistakes and I am not suggesting that every PO would be incompetent if the above situations occurred, but my point being is that you don’t know how many bad guys I get off the streets, how many busts I make, how many searches I do and find illegal things, how detailed my reports are and VOP conviction rate is, so on and so forth. You haven’t even read the first high profile PSI I’ve authored or any other investigation. Your assessment of my job skills is totally based on the fact that you don’t like me. You have taken my objection to you attacking my job skills in the wrong light. I already know you have no clue about the business or what I do. I object to the irrational conclusions you draw and use them to attack for your own personal agenda. Can you not see the abusive behavior I have so meticulously tried to point out?

I do not post to talk about me. I must say that I do apologize for talking about myself, but it seems appropriate to bring the point home. I suspect you will continue to needle me for personal details and attack on a personal level. I will not continue this debate any further in this forum for that reason, as it does not benefit anyone else from this point forward. I’m sorry I feel very strongly about this. Unhealthy boundaries and verbal attacks set bad examples. We are on this forum to discuss SO behavior and that is what I pointed out. I have no intentions of posting personal issues that do not pertain to the forum. If you would like to inquire about my career field because you have a genuine interest or clear up any other misperceptions you might have then feel free to PM me. I will not entertain PM’s on why you don’t like me. If you keep the boundaries healthy and professional I will respond respectfully.

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136445, JakeLF, Jun 23, 2004 06:40 AM [Its really hard]
      136466, deadmomwalking, Jun 23, 2004 07:29 PM
            136477, myoung, Jun 24, 2004 01:36 AM [it saddens me]
            136528, JakeLF, Jun 25, 2004 04:29 AM [Thanks for the response]
                  136551, myoung, Jun 25, 2004 04:10 PM [Jake]
                  136558, dp1, Jun 25, 2004 11:22 PM [Jake]
      136508, dp1, Jun 24, 2004 01:31 PM
            136688, fallenone, Jun 28, 2004 07:34 PM [Therapy doesn't cut it.]
                  136701, dp1, Jun 29, 2004 02:52 AM [Listen to What you're Saying]
                        136703, steve, Jun 29, 2004 03:17 AM
                              136722, fallenone, Jun 29, 2004 05:10 PM [An unDePendable assessment]
                                    136725, dp1, Jun 29, 2004 06:29 PM [Beautiful]
                                          136728, dp1, Jun 29, 2004 06:49 PM [Friendly Suggestion]
                                                136781, fallenone, Jul 01, 2004 03:21 PM [Get over yourself]
                                          136792, fallenone, Jul 01, 2004 06:27 PM
                                                136854, dp1, Jul 03, 2004 11:17 AM [F1]
                                                      136873, fallenone, Jul 03, 2004 07:45 PM [You're trying too hard]
                                                            136887, dp1, Jul 04, 2004 04:31 AM [F1]
                                                                  137004, fallenone, Jul 06, 2004 11:42 PM [reforming the...]
                                    136739, myoung, Jun 29, 2004 08:41 PM [F1]
                                          136740, steve, Jun 29, 2004 09:16 PM
                                          136742, dp1, Jun 29, 2004 11:49 PM [MYoung]
                                                136747, myoung, Jun 30, 2004 03:53 AM [absolutely dp1]
                                                      136751, dp1, Jun 30, 2004 04:57 AM [MYoung]
                                                            136775, myoung, Jul 01, 2004 12:53 PM [uh huh]
                                          136783, fallenone, Jul 01, 2004 03:54 PM [Et tu, brute?]
      136576, tryingtosurvive, Jun 26, 2004 01:25 PM [Cheer up Mate]
            136581, deadmomwalking, Jun 26, 2004 05:28 PM [JAKE]
                  136620, tryingtosurvive, Jun 27, 2004 01:10 PM [Amen to DMW with some reservations.]
                        136634, dp1, Jun 27, 2004 09:36 PM [TTS]
      136817, nolongerhomocidal, Jul 02, 2004 04:04 AM [what about just talking to your PO]
            136831, dp1, Jul 02, 2004 02:00 PM [NLH]

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