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Message 136792 (In Reply to Message 136725)

Posted by fallenone on Jul 01, 2004 06:27 PM | Also by fallenone

Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Ohio, Country: United States

Having you accuse me of evading the question is like the pot calling the kettle black. You have been doing that as long as I've been here. I am not a pedophile nor have a master's in psychotherapy. I do have a BS in Justice Studies with a concentration in Behavioral Sciences. I have been active in the Sex Offenders Anonymous program and also interact with a variety of sexual offenders from the indecent exposures to the multiple rapists. I think I have enough qualifications to know what I'm talking about. You have a specific job which apparently has brought on the type of cynical attitude typical of disenchanted LE. You cannot acknowledge that SOs can overcome their shortcomings. You still advocate we all be equally screwed by the establishment. You think my opinion is irrational? I think yours more so. You think all someone has to do is go to therapy and everything will be alright. You are the one with the flawed thinking. And of course you think I am seething with anger just because our opinions clash. Wrong again. The therapy is not the issue because by his own admission Jake is ALREADY in therapy. Nowhere did I say for him to quit. Your "reading between the lines" can thus be seen as your own personal bias against any suggestion beyond the feeble system now in place. As far as these studies go, those people it has helped were not isolated as you'd like. There are support factors, that person is not holed up in some self-imposed cage, and other measures apart from therapy alone have to factored in. You are trying to play the victim role. You're no victim so get real. Apparently any opinion not in tune with yours is irrational or "out of control." Whatever. If you feel intimidated by someone not afraid to confront you and the issues then that's your own fault because that is not my intent. I don't expect to change the world, but I'm here to do my part. So we don't agree on the methods. So what. I have no personal feelings regarding you. That's irrelevent. If you feel it's personal, then perhaps you're merely feling the conviction of your own fallacious and biased thoughts. I think you and myoung take this too personal. I'm not here for you nor have I ever been I've been here for the SO from day one. I look for something better than what's in place now because I don't want to see anyone's lives destroyed and I believe that man has the capacity to change from their evil ways. When are you gonna open your own eyes?

The Fallen One

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Message 136725
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Posted by dp1 on Jun 29, 2004 06:29 PM | Also by dp1

Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Florida, Country: United States

I love your posts because the true nature of a sex offender bleeds through and through. The people that read these posts need to see your reaction and your objections to professional help. It is difficult for the average person and or victim to understand why pedophiles and or sex offenders don't get help BEFORE they get arrested and this is really helping thank you.

First off, let's recap.  My objection to your other post was your opinion of therapy  which was it is ineffective.

<blockquote><span class="mb-quote">Therapy only goes so far and is ineffective for a couple of reasons the main one being it doesn't do anything to relieve isolationism or a host of other things.</span></blockquote>

Now, either you are a pedophile and you are talking from experience or you have experience with treating pedophiles. Which is it? I addressed this in my last post and you still have not answered this question. If you are not a pedophile and or have not been trained in treating pedophiles this is important because the readers need to see the irrational decisions sex offenders make and why. The lack of logic and flawed thinking is what starts the ball rolling and it is so easy to fall into that trap.

You prefer to ignore the real issues.  The real issue in this case is the attraction towards children and the possibility of acting out.

If you are suggesting that pedophiles turn to online buddies who happen to be fellow sex offenders for therapy you are out of your mind. No wonder I disappoint you. I don't enable flawed thinking. I know the person you are online with and that person also committed a sex offense, am I right? And this is what you are suggesting pedophiles to do? WOW. Once again, no problem with support networks, my objection to your post, as I have said, is you are stating that proffessional treatment is ineffective and elluding that chatting with SO's is the better option.

Of course, I must be pissing you off. That's a no brainer. It doesn't take a professional with experience working with pedos to see the mistakes and the cycles repeat themselves over and over and over again. It's also interesting to see the anger in your posts towards me simply for suggesting professional therapy to a pedophile who is worried about acting out. There's no need for me to elaborate on this one. I'm sure anyone reading these posts can read between the lines.

You can continue to advise pedophiles to seek help online with fellow sex offenders, and I will continue to advise them to seek professional help with a trained psychologist. It doesn't matter one bit that my suggestions disappoint you or piss you off. It's all a matter of whether or not the SO or pedo really wants to rehabilitate.

There is no question that a balanced life such as work, shelter, food, friends, health, church, school, etc... is all part of successful rehabilitation. That's a no brainer also F1. The issue is, should a pedophile get professional help BEFORE he acts out? If a pedophile with multiple victims is complaining about his attraction to children, should a fellow SO minimize professional help and suggest chatting with fellow SO's instead?

Once again, thank you for your post. I have said in the past and will continue to say that SO's struggle to police themselves. They continue to sabatoge other's rehab and make poor decisions. You quickly criticize me for example with many years experience with pedophiles, yet you can't even admit whether you are one or not and or tell us your experience in treating them. As I said before, I suspect you are not a pedophile and that you have ZERO experience in treating pedophilia. Your opinion is based on your experiences alone which are important; however, clearly not related to this issue.  Yet, you are quick to direct others in the wrong direction. Wake up F1, helping people does not mean enabling, it means taking care of the problem at it's roots. If you can't admit that pedophilia is a very serious problem that needs professional help then maybe you are more disappointed in yourself then me.

I am anxiously awaiting your next post. Each new post I read from you becomes increasingly more angry and irrational. Your objections to sound suggestions are important for the readers and victims to read. Attacking me personally is even a better example of out of control anger. Bring it on. Your verbal abuse is welcomed as well as your intimidation tactics. Give us your best F1. Continue knocking professioanl therapy even though study after study indicates it reduces re-offending.

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136445, JakeLF, Jun 23, 2004 06:40 AM [Its really hard]
      136466, deadmomwalking, Jun 23, 2004 07:29 PM
            136477, myoung, Jun 24, 2004 01:36 AM [it saddens me]
            136528, JakeLF, Jun 25, 2004 04:29 AM [Thanks for the response]
                  136551, myoung, Jun 25, 2004 04:10 PM [Jake]
                  136558, dp1, Jun 25, 2004 11:22 PM [Jake]
      136508, dp1, Jun 24, 2004 01:31 PM
            136688, fallenone, Jun 28, 2004 07:34 PM [Therapy doesn't cut it.]
                  136701, dp1, Jun 29, 2004 02:52 AM [Listen to What you're Saying]
                        136703, steve, Jun 29, 2004 03:17 AM
                              136722, fallenone, Jun 29, 2004 05:10 PM [An unDePendable assessment]
                                    136725, dp1, Jun 29, 2004 06:29 PM [Beautiful]
                                          136728, dp1, Jun 29, 2004 06:49 PM [Friendly Suggestion]
                                                136781, fallenone, Jul 01, 2004 03:21 PM [Get over yourself]
                                          136792, fallenone, Jul 01, 2004 06:27 PM
                                                136854, dp1, Jul 03, 2004 11:17 AM [F1]
                                                      136873, fallenone, Jul 03, 2004 07:45 PM [You're trying too hard]
                                                            136887, dp1, Jul 04, 2004 04:31 AM [F1]
                                                                  137004, fallenone, Jul 06, 2004 11:42 PM [reforming the...]
                                    136739, myoung, Jun 29, 2004 08:41 PM [F1]
                                          136740, steve, Jun 29, 2004 09:16 PM
                                          136742, dp1, Jun 29, 2004 11:49 PM [MYoung]
                                                136747, myoung, Jun 30, 2004 03:53 AM [absolutely dp1]
                                                      136751, dp1, Jun 30, 2004 04:57 AM [MYoung]
                                                            136775, myoung, Jul 01, 2004 12:53 PM [uh huh]
                                          136783, fallenone, Jul 01, 2004 03:54 PM [Et tu, brute?]
      136576, tryingtosurvive, Jun 26, 2004 01:25 PM [Cheer up Mate]
            136581, deadmomwalking, Jun 26, 2004 05:28 PM [JAKE]
                  136620, tryingtosurvive, Jun 27, 2004 01:10 PM [Amen to DMW with some reservations.]
                        136634, dp1, Jun 27, 2004 09:36 PM [TTS]
      136817, nolongerhomocidal, Jul 02, 2004 04:04 AM [what about just talking to your PO]
            136831, dp1, Jul 02, 2004 02:00 PM [NLH]

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