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Forum: Victims and Survivors Corner
Thread (Discussion): Released sex offenders
Message 171445
Posted by Valerie
on Jan 17, 2006 12:13 PM | Also by Valerie
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
This am I ran a check on the inmates scheduled to be released from various facilities that have done time for sex offenses...we have one city that we might as well light a match too, and be done with it.....its a poorer income area with many many children...all I can say is its no wonder the cycles of abuse just fester...
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Message 171494 (In Reply to Message 171445)
Posted by rebel51
on Jan 18, 2006 05:07 AM | Also by rebel51
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: California,
Country: United States |
It is sad that there are so many children that seem to be trapped in the lower income areas...which are the same areas that criminals have to live in.
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Message 171520 (In Reply to Message 171494)
Posted by Valerie
on Jan 18, 2006 04:05 PM | Also by Valerie
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
Actually in my mind there is no excuse for it...the solution I dont know, but just because a family are lower income doesnt mean you put targets on their backs...I dont know about most of you but when I was newly married and starting my family out...I sure couldnt afford a gated community where the numbers of criminals are less. In my mind, the children come first period, no ifs, ands or buts. The rights of a convicted felon who has proven he is a danger to those very group of people he is now living among because of affordability, flys in the face of common sense. I am so tired of the argument, "they have to live somewhere" There are two camps here...One, they have the right to live where they can afford and need the opportunity to proceed with their lives" and my camp " Young families should not be forced to live with a disproportioned amount of danger and risk, for no other reason than their income levels".
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Message 171592 (In Reply to Message 171520)
Posted by rebel51
on Jan 19, 2006 09:31 AM | Also by rebel51
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: California,
Country: United States |
While I am in 100% agreement with you and am offering not one argument in what you are saying, one thing that this site has shown me, is that they in fact, DO, have to live somewhere. I wish that there was a simple answer to the problem. Until there is not only, a simple answer, but ANY answer, then the only thing that can be done is to keep up with the education of parents AND children to keep them on thier toes and rendering thier own protection. As sad as it is, they do live in the same neighborhoods.
I, like you, lived in a crimeridden, gang infested neighborhood when I first got married. It was a matter of discussion if we did NOT have a drive-by shooting (they couldnt shoot, as the only thing they ever hit was the apartments) each Saturday night!! My kids NEVER went outside to play..I took them to a park in some other neighborhood. I also did not let my neighbors into my life..but I live in California where that is the norm. No one wants to know the neighbors.
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Message 171665 (In Reply to Message 171592)
Posted by Valerie
on Jan 20, 2006 12:51 PM | Also by Valerie
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
Rebel51, sometimes its just a matter of faith and common sense, this board is not the norm when it comes to released offenders, this forum has taught me this also...would you mind having Orolan as one of your neighbors? I probably wouldn't..but I do my homework,,and the overriding amount of offenders being released into out neighborhoods are not as docile as Orolan. In fact most of these guys make Orolan look like a choir boy. When you use the term "they" your definition of "they" and mine may be two different things.
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Message 171694 (In Reply to Message 171665)
Posted by steve
on Jan 20, 2006 07:17 PM | Also by steve
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: Virginia,
Country: United States |
SNIP
this board is not the norm when it comes to released offenders,
Valerie, great point. Sometimes people here either don't see or don't want to admit that the sex offenders who post to the other parts of the discussion board aren't representative of sex offenders overall. After all, how many of them have admitted to molesting a baby, raping a stranger at gunpoint or having sex with a 9-year-old? It makes sense. After all, those who post here by and large feel wronged - either because they don't feel their punishment justified their crime, don't think their crime was all that bad, etc. Someone that does something particularly heinous wouldn't have much to gain by posting to the discussion board so I think those types are less likely to post here period, and those who do are likely to not share details of their crime(s), not tell the whole truth, or outright lie. My 2 cents.
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Message 171726 (In Reply to Message 171694)
Posted by rebel51
on Jan 21, 2006 02:39 AM | Also by rebel51
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: California,
Country: United States |
This is very true.when I am thinking of "them" I AM thinking of the orolans and not the HP's. I would have no problem with Orolan living next door to me..or dad or MOST of the people I have met here (at face value) but with the HP's I dont even want him talking to me here much less living next to where my granddaughter can be seen by him...
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Message 173116 (In Reply to Message 171726)
Orolan
Posted by june5
on Feb 11, 2006 09:03 PM | Also by june5
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: N/A,
Country: United States |
OK, so there would be no problem with Orolan living by you? I think that is because you "know" him from this board and based on this board, he hardly seems dangerous. But since he was convicted of a crime against a minor, if you didn't know him and he was moving in, I highly doubt you would be happy. You might not have a problem with some other offenders if you took the time to get to know them.
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Message 173143 (In Reply to Message 173116)
Posted by Valerie
on Feb 12, 2006 02:08 PM | Also by Valerie
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
We need to have a basic understanding here. I am not going to Orolans house with a welcome to the neighborhood basket. Its not really my style. And if I had minor children they would be forbidden to go near his house. I think that would be common sense. Lets face it, this is a no-win here, if I took the time to get to know Orolan and felt he may have gotten a raw deal and relaxed my views towards him, and then God Forbid, my teenage daughter made an allegation against him, we probably both would be hanged from the highest tree in the neighborhood.
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Message 173162 (In Reply to Message 173116)
Posted by dp1
on Feb 12, 2006 04:51 PM | Also by dp1
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
You might not have a problem with some other offenders if you took the time to get to know them.
So very true. And we can separate the honest ones from the ones who are grooming their next victim by..........?
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Message 173174 (In Reply to Message 171694)
Posted by Quest
on Feb 12, 2006 08:26 PM | Also by Quest
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Minnesota,
Country: United States |
The unfortunate fact that I face in my utopian dream of nearly eliminating sexual offesnse is that a whole bunch of sex offenders are either too dumb or too committed to hatred to ever grasp those ideas which would make them well.
In every forum I run into mostly intelligent, articulate SO's who all seem to have made a commitment to a moral life even if some of them are minimizing what they did.
That's what you get on forums. Poople who have passed the minimum IQ test of being able to do a google search and use software.
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Message 173176 (In Reply to Message 171520)
Posted by Quest
on Feb 12, 2006 08:42 PM | Also by Quest
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Minnesota,
Country: United States |
I separated from my wife in 1990 and spent six months living with a strange under-achiever genius in a solidly black neighborhood in Minneapolis's inner city.
If you want your heart broken sit in the apartment stairwells and listen to pre-teen children huddled together whispering about all of that yelling and screaming going on inside of their apartments.
By the time they are teens they are of a different sort. To them I was the enemy or a mark. They don't whisper, they are brash and insulting and probably carry guns but don't know how to hit what they are aiming at.
They got that way because they used to be the little kids with too serious faces having whispered conversations in stairwells.
You said somewhere here that you will not tolerate this for the children. But the purpose of children and the reason we like them so much is that they are going to grow in to adults but they are not yet 'throwaway people'. Not tainted. Yet.
Her's a shocker. All criminals and sex criminals started out as children. The throwaway people are the parents of the soon to be tainted children.
If we love children so much we may consider loving that which they will turn into if they survive childhood.
The problem with these neighborhoods goes far beyond sexual assault. Sex offenders in these neighborhoods probably offer a welcome distraction from Meth, Crack, Prostitution, and stray bullets.
Why stop at just saving them from sex ofenders?
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Message 173184 (In Reply to Message 173162)
Good point dp1
Posted by june5
on Feb 12, 2006 09:48 PM | Also by june5
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State: N/A,
Country: United States |
you also can't tell which of the non-RSO guys are grooming their next victim either.
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Message 173191 (In Reply to Message 173143)
Also a good point Val
Posted by june5
on Feb 13, 2006 01:02 AM | Also by june5
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: N/A,
Country: United States |
I can see where you are coming from. I sometimes wonder how some SO's who haven't been caught yet feel about all this. I bet they love the registry laws. I can just picture some neighbors freaking out about some RSO moving in. Next thing you know, one of the guys with no record is talking about how horrible it is to have an RSO living there and says we should all keep our kids away from him. For all you know it could be the non-RSO who is actually a child molester, able to fly under the radar even more since he is not on the list.
I'm not arguing that you should let your kids be alone with someone who is on the registry. But everytime somebody says they wouldn't let their kids go near THAT guy's house, it makes me think that they aren't as worried about the other neighbors. I know this probably sounds over-simplified, but I couldn't walk on anybody's grass or property (because it is rude), and I couldn't go to anybody's house that my parents didn't pre-approve first.
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Message 173194 (In Reply to Message 173143)
Posted by dp1
on Feb 13, 2006 01:57 AM | Also by dp1
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
Why would it be necessary to think Orolan or any other sex offender got a raw deal? What would be wrong with accepting the crime for what it is then taking the necessary precautions?
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Message 173195 (In Reply to Message 173184)
Posted by dp1
on Feb 13, 2006 02:07 AM | Also by dp1
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
That's true too. Clearly we always must have our guard up. Thing is, we need to raise it just a little bit higher on the class of people who've been identified as having a higher probability of reoffending.
Just curious. Do you handle your tupperware with the same care as you would your grandmother's china? Considering how many times you've broken china or glass over the years compared to the amount of times you've broken tupperware bowls your actions have been tailored accordingly to minimize the damage, no?
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Message 173199 (In Reply to Message 173195)
dp1
Posted by june5
on Feb 13, 2006 03:00 AM | Also by june5
| Gender: Female,
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State: N/A,
Country: United States |
I don't think there is anything wrong with taking precautions with SO's in regard to yourself or your children; that is if "precautions" means you don't want to be alone with them or have them around your children at all. That's fine. Everybody has the right to decide who or they or their kids should be around, for any reason or no reason at all. I'm not advocating that you send your kids to the "SO Day Care Center"!
If the worst thing I had to worry about was people not sending their kids to my house, or not inviting me or my husband to their homes, I would be a much happier woman. I think that is where the rights end, that's all (before someone else says it: I don't think SO's have the right to commit a sex crime, either; but when we are speaking of RSO's that is someone who has already been punished for their crime). I'm more speaking about people who think they have a right to tell SO's they don't want them on the same BLOCK as their kids.
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Message 173268 (In Reply to Message 173174)
Don't Kid Yourselves
Posted by dp1
on Feb 14, 2006 04:17 PM | Also by dp1
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
These same intelligent articulate offenders had the same IQ and educational level BEFORE they committed their sex crimes. As far as everyone was concerned they were committed to a moral life, but despite their better judgement they broke the law. Your point is.....???
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Message 173279 (In Reply to Message 173195)
Posted by june5
on Feb 15, 2006 12:12 AM | Also by june5
| Gender: Female,
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State: N/A,
Country: United States |
dp1 said: Just curious. Do you handle your tupperware with the same care as you would your grandmother's china? Considering how many times you've broken china or glass over the years compared to the amount of times you've broken tupperware bowls your actions have been tailored accordingly to minimize the damage, no?
Absolutely. Based on the fact that I was raped by an acquaintance with no criminal record, who appeared intelligent and completely "normal"--I have tailored my actions accordingly. This means that I am never alone with men I don't know well. To put it this way: I have a violet several-time-felon living in my apartment complex. I say "hi" to him when I see him in the hallway. The guy gives me the creeps and always has, even before I knew about his record. I find it unlikely that this person would attack me (if he were so inclined) in the hallway or parking lot. However, if he knocks on my door to borrow a cup of sugar, I'm not answering if I am home alone. If he ever asked to come into my house to use the phone, no. I'm not being alone with the guy. However, I would treat the non-felons that I don't know the exact same way. Granted, I'm more "paranoid" than most, but this is based on my earlier experience as a rape victim. But I wouldn't harrass the guy, inform my other neighbors of his record, or tell my landlord (if he doesn't already know) just because the guy gives me the creeps and has a record. He hasn't done anything to me.
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171445, Valerie, Jan 17, 2006 12:13 PM
171494, rebel51, Jan 18, 2006 05:07 AM
171520, Valerie, Jan 18, 2006 04:05 PM
171592, rebel51, Jan 19, 2006 09:31 AM
171665, Valerie, Jan 20, 2006 12:51 PM
171694, steve, Jan 20, 2006 07:17 PM
171726, rebel51, Jan 21, 2006 02:39 AM
171805, Rejected
173116, june5, Feb 11, 2006 09:03 PM [Orolan]
173143, Valerie, Feb 12, 2006 02:08 PM
173191, june5, Feb 13, 2006 01:02 AM [Also a good point Val]
173194, dp1, Feb 13, 2006 01:57 AM
173162, dp1, Feb 12, 2006 04:51 PM
173184, june5, Feb 12, 2006 09:48 PM [Good point dp1]
173195, dp1, Feb 13, 2006 02:07 AM
173199, june5, Feb 13, 2006 03:00 AM [dp1]
173279, june5, Feb 15, 2006 12:12 AM
173174, Quest, Feb 12, 2006 08:26 PM
173268, dp1, Feb 14, 2006 04:17 PM [Don't Kid Yourselves]
173176, Quest, Feb 12, 2006 08:42 PM
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