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Message 169139
what do you do to help?
Posted by anti
on Dec 10, 2005 06:53 PM | Also by anti
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I am just curious here as to what the advocates do here to help? I do not mean here, as in this forum..
I mean do any of you do anything , offline, or online to help victims? children? what?
I know dp does po work, I do also know what 1 other person does here, whom I respect a great deal( you know who you are).... but I am just curious if any of you take your words into actions.
being here posting, trying to help is one thing, but I mean what do you all do to really help?
I dont think there are any other pedo hunters here, but anyone who does anything??
cyber teaching to kids as I do? anything at all?
do you help in your own community's at least?
I am not being nosey just to be nosey, I really want to know what you all do.
I am asking this for a reason..
peace to all, anti
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Message 169171 (In Reply to Message 169139)
helping victims
Posted by deadmomwalking
on Dec 10, 2005 11:24 PM | Also by deadmomwalking
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For victims and their families I think your own mental and emotional wellbeing comes first. You can't really be objective enough to help others when you are living in a confused nightmare. You need to be healthy yourself.
I have had a lot of contact with victims of sexual assault and abuse. Some of these people I have known for a long time and never knew until my daughter's disclosure what had happened to them. I hope, at the very least, that I've given them a sympathetic ear. Sometimes I am surprised at how often they have lived with this secret for years, telling perhaps only one or two other people and how they still have very self-defeating and self-blaming attitudes about what happened, not to mention grief. They virtually all tear up or cry when they talk about it and sometimes it happened 30 years ago. It is as if a part of them stopped growing at 8 or 12 or 14 or whenever the abuse happened and there is a part of them that is still this child, standing still, afraid to move forward. At this stage I don't know if I have enough distance to be able to give anyone advice but what I can do that doesn't cause any harm, I hope, is listen and emphasize the person's strengths and good qualities. Most of these women have self-esteem issues.
Eventually I would like to do some advocacy but I am not sure what form it would take. There are a lot of issues. To me an important one that really isn't handled well is the emotional and mental well-being of victims. So often extremely traumatized victims are being "used" once again by either police or therapists or political feminists with their own agenda. Not that those people don't mean well - but I don't think they really understand how seriously damaged some victims are and how they need time and peace to heal before anything else happens. Many victims are in no state to be a warrior in their particular cause. When you are plunked into the criminal justice system, unlike perps who have a lawyer to look after their interests, victims don't typically have an advocate. Law enforcement's job is the protection of society not the best interests of the victim. I will never forget how we were to have a meeting in the hospital with psychiatrists, social workers and nurses over developing a plan for my daughter's treatment (my daughter was suicidal and severely dissociative at this time) and the police came in uninvited and took over the meeting, and all of a sudden, it wasn't about my daughter anymore, it was about using her to get justice. Then once they are finished with you it is like, "OK, well, sorry that didn't work out. See ya."
In broader terms, I can't speak about the US, but here in Canada mental health treatment is a disgrace. So many mentally ill people are living on the street or in shelters. There are virtually NO long-term facilities except for geriatrics or the criminally insane so people who are very ill are either living on the street or with their ill-equipped families, who get virtually no support. When my daughter was released from the hospital in a still suicidal and psychotic state and refused to come home she was placed in a women's shelter. That was the best they could do for a teenage girl suffering from PTSD, who was cutting and suicidal. This is what we do for victims of sexual abuse and trauma who don't get better enough quick enough. She was exposed to more danger in the women's shelter than if she had been living in the home of the man who molested her! And there was nothing we,as her parents could do about it - short of kidnapping her. Because she was so emotionally fragile we were afraid to do anything. It was like watching someone standing on the ledge of a high-rise building. You want to reach out and grab them but you are afraid if you do they will jump. There are not enough resources for treating mental illness and it sometimes seems to me psychiatrists are not much better than witch doctors - in fact, I think my daughter might have been better off with an understanding and compassionate priest/pastor.
Most of my efforts have been directed at trying, by whatever means - some probably not that smart, to save my daughter's life and help her get her health back. I think for victims' families sometimes survival as a family comes first. There were many times that it seemed hopeless - that I would never get her back. My own therapist told me to cut her loose - that my involvement with her was destroying me and hurting my family. BUT - my daughter is doing a lot better finally. She still struggles with anxiety and depression and an eating disorder. She has a lot of physical health problems, some of which she will always have. But she is back. She is my daughter again. I look at her and see, once again, the girl I knew. She is not cutting or taking overdoses or hallucinating or living in a parallel universe. She remembers that she has a family who, whatever their foibles, love her. She is sane. She says the past two years (since her disclosure) have been unreal - like she was caught in someone else's nightmare. The other day she said crying "Mom, if I ever get like that again, don't leave me, don't give up on me no matter what I tell you. Because, in spite of what I said so many times, when I am myself, I don't want to die." So I am very glad I hung in there in spite of what many people told me to do.
Beyond my own family, I am taking part in planning a mental health advocacy group in my church. We are just in the planning stages now.
I think education is important and I tell our story - more to strangers than people that know us, so that people will be more cautious. I think changing attitudes is important. So I take people to task when they make jokes about rape or child abuse. I think education of potential perpetrators is as or more important than education of potential victims. As was evident from the situation you described in another post, anti, we can teach kids all these "skills" for avoiding potential abuse, but in the end, if an adult wants to molest a child the child is still very vulnerable. A friend of mine had a brother who, at 11, was a black belt in karate. He felt pretty good about it and the family were proud of his skill. He went to a competition out of town and competed well against his own age group, but what he found out, to his distress, was that almost any adult competing with minimal skills could take him out. We should not be expecting children to defend themselves against adults and we are pretending to ourselves if we think that they can.
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Message 169179 (In Reply to Message 169139)
anti
Posted by momhelpingbyherself
on Dec 11, 2005 01:04 AM | Also by momhelpingbyherself
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you have asked this question before. and you completely took my post and turned it around to read the way you wanted to. Yes i do more than sit here and try to help, or get help. I am doing things in my community to raise awareness, and i am also getting the goverment involved in the awareness. So i hope this answers your questions, without it being taken the wrong way, again.
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Message 169229 (In Reply to Message 169139)
Posted by steve
on Dec 11, 2005 06:16 PM | Also by steve
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being here posting, trying to help is one thing, but I mean what do you all do to really help?
SNIP
I am asking this for a reason..
Are you going to share that reason? Based on the wording of your post, it sounds like you expect anyone considering themselves an advocate to do certain things to be considered an advocate. I hope that's not the case.
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Message 169248 (In Reply to Message 169229)
steve
Posted by momhelpingbyherself
on Dec 11, 2005 08:05 PM | Also by momhelpingbyherself
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i was wondering that myself. In my opinion, a young girl who doesn't feel like she can talk to her parents may feel more comfortable talking to anothr adult. i have had this happen to me with one of my daughters friends. i listened and advised her what she should do, But this kid was also a perpetual trouble maker, and i had no clear way of knowing if what she said was the truth, since things suddenly turned around and she turned against my daughter and myself by trying to get me in jail for breaking a restraing order that was against my ex-husband.
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Message 169250 (In Reply to Message 169139)
i don't do enough
Posted by Quest
on Dec 11, 2005 08:16 PM | Also by Quest
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Basically I'm completely rethinking the psychology of human beings with a specialization in child sexual abuse. I read books. Read forums. Interview victims and offenders.
I'm trying to build models of populations of victims, abusers, and normal people and specifically a model for the both perp and victim of child sexual abuse. I will write books if I don't smoke myself to death. The first book I want to write will contain interviews with victim/perp pairs and analysis of each situation. But I am a long way off.
I study biochemistry and neuroscience at a masters level and the field of evolutionary psychology in whatever way I can get my hands on material.
I apply life-experience, current studies, and our limited knowledge of neuroscience and evolution to sexuality.
Why not leave it to the professionals? I don't trust them anymore. I know of no one who is using my approach and I think I can offer some brand new ideas. The field I am applying, evolutionary psychology, is brand new and has not yet been applied to this problem.
So I'm in input mode but I output a lot of ideas on forums and gather responses. I'm hoping my pre-mature output will generate some ideas in others and maybe soften the effect that being one of the pair, perp or victim, has had on people's lives. That's not exactly right. I want to make people feel better about what they are going through. I walk with delicate balance between both sides and endeavor to reduce hate and repair lives.
In my spare time I'm trying to find out if the guys that gang-raped my niece are still gang raping little kids. None of them are RSO's.
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Message 169264 (In Reply to Message 169139)
Posted by Valerie
on Dec 11, 2005 11:05 PM | Also by Valerie
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I am still formulating your question and as much as I would love to give a pat answer I don’t have one. Many years ago before the registry was listed online, (you had to write a letter to get a list) I received the offenders in my zip code. I was outraged. The first people I wanted to talk to were the police department for more info. They wouldn’t take my calls. So I said ok so I called Channel 10 news. The next thing I knew my neighborhood and my face was on TV for 4 days straight. Now at this time I had no concept what the definitions of sex crimes and the entire lingo that went with it. It has taken literally years to get a grasp on laws, crimes, what agency does what etc..and more years to get to know, who is who and establish dialogues with them. My ex helped alot with the who's who. But if there is one bit of wisdom I can impart, is alot of things are handled behind closed doors, one of my goals is to get behind those closed doors and try and imprint some common sense and fair play for the most vulnerable. I watched a travesty first hand come to my state (Mariel Boatlift) and I will never forgive the powers that be that let that happen and all the pain and heartache that came with it. I don’t think anyone had ever seen the scale of pure evil that hit the women and children of this state before. These creatures as I continue to call them motivated me into this battle, the crimes against Adam Walsh and Jimmy Ryce horrified me and unfortunately these crimes are growing against our kids. I am truly digressing here but I am tired of the "powers that be" that can’t walk and scratch their behind at the same time. But more than that I just intensely dislike a poor excuse for a human being who preys on someone weaker for their own sexual gratification because a screw up in the gene pool. So to answer your question, I make noise, I inform people in as much as I am able (which changes everyday) about blatant incompetence and disregard to each other. I raise money for a certain group who is close to my heart and I prefer not to name here. what I do changes everyday, but my priority is my old neighborhood, and especially the women and children in that neighborhood.
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Message 169266 (In Reply to Message 169264)
Posted by PVulcan
on Dec 11, 2005 11:49 PM | Also by PVulcan
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I think being an advocate, on whatever side of the coin you're on is something that just comes from within. A character trait almost. Keep up the good work for all you do :)
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Message 169270 (In Reply to Message 169250)
quest
Posted by momhelpingbyherself
on Dec 12, 2005 02:47 AM | Also by momhelpingbyherself
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it sounds like you are taking on quite alot to say that you aren't doing enough. it sounds very interesting what you are doing and i would like to know more about it if you care to share it.
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Message 169285 (In Reply to Message 169266)
Posted by rebel51
on Dec 12, 2005 01:23 PM | Also by rebel51
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I dont 'DO' anything. I am a bartender and I talk to people. It is amazing how many times I have had both men and women tell me about being abused and/or molested..plus mugged, ticketed, yelled at...whatever bad things happen to them in life. I listen...when possible I give advice, I tell them how I lived thru it, I let them know they are not all alone in thier problems...some I send here (without giving my name so they cant find me..lol)..but I mainly just listen, its what I do best, I listen and I DONT repeat what I hear.
Everyone seems to feel better for having told me thier story.
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Message 169349 (In Reply to Message 169270)
Posted by Quest
on Dec 13, 2005 03:10 AM | Also by Quest
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I started a thread called 'Some new ides from a new science' if it's approved it might be a start at explaining what I'm up to. Chances are most on the victim side will want to kill me at first. Try to keep an open mind I really need people to stay open because I need help.
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Message 169688 (In Reply to Message 169171)
to deadmomwalking..
Posted by anti
on Dec 17, 2005 08:24 PM | Also by anti
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sounds like you have it all together, and maybe will do a great deal to help in the future...
peace to you, anti
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Message 169689 (In Reply to Message 169179)
thank you..
Posted by anti
on Dec 17, 2005 08:26 PM | Also by anti
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and please pm re what was taken wrong in past, and I dont recall posting a thread re who was doing what, but hey its ok, as I am soo deeply involved with so much, that I may have forgotten, but glad to see you are helping in your area , thats great....
anti
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Message 169690 (In Reply to Message 169229)
noSteve...
Posted by anti
on Dec 17, 2005 08:27 PM | Also by anti
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please f you find the time pm re this...
and no, its just obvious that if someone says they are a advocate, it must mean they are doing something, no?
a silent non active advocate?
please pm me steve w/ a explanation..
thank you, anti
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Message 169691 (In Reply to Message 169250)
I do comend you..
Posted by anti
on Dec 17, 2005 08:28 PM | Also by anti
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for what you are trying to do...
anti
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Message 169692 (In Reply to Message 169264)
val, then you are...
Posted by anti
on Dec 17, 2005 08:30 PM | Also by anti
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val, what you are doing is being a advocate, as we as child advocates, work in all different ways....
peace to you, anti
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Message 170067 (In Reply to Message 169692)
Posted by Valerie
on Dec 27, 2005 02:17 PM | Also by Valerie
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I just re-read this thread, you said you had a reason for asking this question, just curious if you wanted to continue it?
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Message 170071 (In Reply to Message 169690)
Posted by steve
on Dec 27, 2005 05:05 PM | Also by steve
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and no, its just obvious that if someone says they are a advocate, it must mean they are doing something, no?
a silent non active advocate?
What I meant was it seems as though you might have certain criteria or expectations for someone to consider themselves a child advocate. To me, a child advocate is anyone who acts on behalf of a child to protect the child's interests and safety. No minimum number of hours required doing this, no minimum number of children acted on behalf of. anti, what's your definition of a child advocate?
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Message 170072 (In Reply to Message 170067)
Posted by dp1
on Dec 27, 2005 05:17 PM | Also by dp1
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Sorry for dropping in late. I've been sorta preoccupied lately. Reason for what? Why all the questions with no explanations? Sorry if I missed something in another thread.
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Message 170073 (In Reply to Message 170071)
To Steve,
Posted by anti
on Dec 27, 2005 05:33 PM | Also by anti
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ohh my, are you in a anti anti mood, lol just joking, no of course not there is no min requirements of helping children.....
but just that, doing something to help.
as I have exp. over the yrs esp on the net, people are so very easy and fast to say:
" ohh yes, I am a child advocate too"!!
and you ask them what they do, not in a manner of disbelief, but just to know, and you get rude replys, or none, or people asking you why you want to know, or them just saying"ohh, I do alot".
its one thing if someone chooses to be anonyomous, but then all they need to do is say that.
have I made myself clear now Steve? ( not sounding rude).
anyhow, I was just asking, as sometimes child advocates form from past abuse, or from abuse of their child, I was simply wanting to know who in here was a child advocate, and if so, what they do.
as yes, as we do now agree, there has to be something, besides just the verbal of saying it.
some may do more then others, but if someone says they are a advocate for children, then they must be.
thanks steve, and I do so hope I cleared it up?
anti
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Message 170074 (In Reply to Message 170067)
Val, yes
Posted by anti
on Dec 27, 2005 05:35 PM | Also by anti
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yes I would greatly appreciate this continuing.....
and my reason was simply to see who here is a child advocate, and what they do, as I do feel we can join forces.
anti
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Message 170076 (In Reply to Message 170072)
no dp, sorry..
Posted by anti
on Dec 27, 2005 05:54 PM | Also by anti
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I was simply asking who here is a child advocate, and if so, what they do.
peace, anti
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Message 170077 (In Reply to Message 170073)
Posted by dp1
on Dec 27, 2005 07:29 PM | Also by dp1
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I'm not sure how we are defining "child advocate" here on this forum. But, as far as helping children or potential victims I'd put Steve at the top of the list. If you believe knowledge is power and have a website full of useful information you are obviously helping A LOT of people. I'd consider most of the people that participate in Steve's forums child advocates. Supporting victims, reporting crimes, contributing useful information and supporting offenders who are not reoffending is all part of helping the children IMHO.
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Message 170084 (In Reply to Message 170077)
dp, cool....
Posted by anti
on Dec 28, 2005 03:27 AM | Also by anti
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hey I have no problem if you want to nominate steve for being a child advocate... and I am not being rude........
but I did not really mean people who had a website, with a forum, if I meant that, I could think of approx. 25, or more ppl who have that, and some dont do squat, besides for their site.....
I am on the other hand not saying that a site with good things to learn are not good......
I am talking about true child advocates.
people who get down in get in the dirty, so to speak, who get out there, and do something.
maybe I need to request this thread please be dropped now?
as I honestly only meant nothing but good here.
was trying to see who does what, so maybe we had a chance to so to speak join forces.
I know I have liasions in a few different states......
it does not matter location.
but I do see my thread was mistaken by some.
peace, anti
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Message 170105 (In Reply to Message 170077)
dp1
Posted by momhelpingbyherself
on Dec 28, 2005 02:17 PM | Also by momhelpingbyherself
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very well said and couldn't agree with you more.....
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Message 170106 (In Reply to Message 170074)
a serious question
Posted by momhelpingbyherself
on Dec 28, 2005 02:23 PM | Also by momhelpingbyherself
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how can anyone join forces when you aren't ever satisfied that what others do aren't up to your definition as to what a child advocate is? Steve is! dp is! alot of people in this forum are, just because they don't fit other peoples definition of what they think an advocate should be, doesn't make them a less of one.
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Message 170117 (In Reply to Message 170074)
Posted by Valerie
on Dec 28, 2005 05:01 PM | Also by Valerie
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What would be your idea of joining forces?
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Message 170126 (In Reply to Message 170117)
Val...
Posted by anti
on Dec 28, 2005 06:34 PM | Also by anti
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not only my idea, but all of ours, any child advocate here, as in my area I work with alot of people, in my forum I work w/ people, in other states I do also, there are a ton of things that need to be done, and can be done.
joining forces as all of us child advocates together, whoever is interested....
anti
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Message 170127 (In Reply to Message 170106)
never...
Posted by anti
on Dec 28, 2005 06:35 PM | Also by anti
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I cant recall ever not getting along w/ a true child advocate, I work w/ them literally on a daily basis, on and off line.
your post here only demonstrates how you are, to me.
no further posts to me from you, please.
thank you.
anti
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Message 170130 (In Reply to Message 169285)
listening...
Posted by anti
on Dec 28, 2005 07:49 PM | Also by anti
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hey, actually listening to someone can really help them........
I know when my kids were first abused, and when my daughter was killed, I found much peace in my friends just listening to me.
anti
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Message 170133 (In Reply to Message 170126)
valerie
Posted by momhelpingbyherself
on Dec 28, 2005 09:02 PM | Also by momhelpingbyherself
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but it seems that having a wonderful forum such as this is not getting gritty enough. I hate to imagine how much time it takes steve to run this forum, and maintain the site. not to mention, monitor all the posts, and decide which ones should and shouldn't go through. But as i said earlier. its a matter, of how one feels about what a true advocate is and if they are willing to work with them regardless on what they do. wheather it be a little, or a lot. some people have day jobs and can't put in the time, or others have night jobs. but obviously, others don't like the concept of this.
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Message 170175 (In Reply to Message 170130)
Posted by rebel51
on Dec 29, 2005 01:28 PM | Also by rebel51
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Same here...I can get past alot of things if someone will just let me talk AT them for awhile.
And I do seem to be a natural at it..my Husband HATES going to resturants with me because by the end of the meal I have one or more waitresses standing at our table telling me thier problems. Like I said I honestly think that there is a sign that people with problems can see on my forehead that reads "tell me all your problems, I care". People that have never seen me before and will never see me again will start a conversation from across the room and the next thing I know I have thier life story....if I was smart I would go into some sort of counsiling BUT I HATE school and you have to do that to become a counselor...so I will sit behind my bar and in my resturants and lend an ear to all who needs it...lol
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Message 170193 (In Reply to Message 170175)
Posted by Valerie
on Dec 29, 2005 02:42 PM | Also by Valerie
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I know this will strike you funny, in fact some may be brought to tears laughing, but I have been told on more than one occation I missed my calling, I should have been a therapist....yea yea I know...
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Message 170210 (In Reply to Message 170193)
val...
Posted by anti
on Dec 29, 2005 04:56 PM | Also by anti
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missed it? why? hey its never too late, really.. I bet I am older then you are, and in the last 5 yrs I have done more then when I was younger, if you have a passion to be a therapist, go for it.
anti
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169139, anti, Dec 10, 2005 06:53 PM [what do you do to help?]
169171, deadmomwalking, Dec 10, 2005 11:24 PM [helping victims]
169688, anti, Dec 17, 2005 08:24 PM [to deadmomwalking..]
169179, momhelpingbyherself, Dec 11, 2005 01:04 AM [anti]
169689, anti, Dec 17, 2005 08:26 PM [thank you..]
169229, steve, Dec 11, 2005 06:16 PM
169248, momhelpingbyherself, Dec 11, 2005 08:05 PM [steve]
169690, anti, Dec 17, 2005 08:27 PM [noSteve...]
170071, steve, Dec 27, 2005 05:05 PM
170073, anti, Dec 27, 2005 05:33 PM [To Steve,]
170077, dp1, Dec 27, 2005 07:29 PM
170084, anti, Dec 28, 2005 03:27 AM [dp, cool....]
170105, momhelpingbyherself, Dec 28, 2005 02:17 PM [dp1]
169250, Quest, Dec 11, 2005 08:16 PM [i don't do enough]
169270, momhelpingbyherself, Dec 12, 2005 02:47 AM [quest]
169349, Quest, Dec 13, 2005 03:10 AM
169691, anti, Dec 17, 2005 08:28 PM [I do comend you..]
169264, Valerie, Dec 11, 2005 11:05 PM
169266, PVulcan, Dec 11, 2005 11:49 PM
169285, rebel51, Dec 12, 2005 01:23 PM
170130, anti, Dec 28, 2005 07:49 PM [listening...]
170175, rebel51, Dec 29, 2005 01:28 PM
170193, Valerie, Dec 29, 2005 02:42 PM
170210, anti, Dec 29, 2005 04:56 PM [val...]
169291, Pending Further Review
169692, anti, Dec 17, 2005 08:30 PM [val, then you are...]
170067, Valerie, Dec 27, 2005 02:17 PM
170072, dp1, Dec 27, 2005 05:17 PM
170076, anti, Dec 27, 2005 05:54 PM [no dp, sorry..]
170074, anti, Dec 27, 2005 05:35 PM [Val, yes]
170106, momhelpingbyherself, Dec 28, 2005 02:23 PM [a serious question]
170127, anti, Dec 28, 2005 06:35 PM [never...]
170117, Valerie, Dec 28, 2005 05:01 PM
170126, anti, Dec 28, 2005 06:34 PM [Val...]
170133, momhelpingbyherself, Dec 28, 2005 09:02 PM [valerie]
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