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Message 165511 (In Reply to Message 165509)
rabbitreborn

Posted by momhelpingbyherself on Oct 26, 2005 06:49 PM | Also by momhelpingbyherself

Gender: Female, Age Bracket: 40 - 49, State: Kentucky, Country: United States

i wasn't generalizing anyone, but at the same time i wasn't wanting to mention any names. And I never saw a post where you said that they should apologize, and if you did, and i over looked it, then i do apologize. But rabbit, you have been abusive to me on several occassions, so lets not go there. its in the past. And i doubt if anyone of the veterans will be back. They are tired of the crap. They are trying to find a medium for all concerned. And without mentioniong names, it won't happen. And that is why victims don't speak out. and see, you said to apologize to the person they made the comment to. Well lets see, my sister was in Rita, I was in a tornado, so that is putting quite a few peoples feelings on a raw nerve. Correct. It was uncalled for, as i stated, for anyone, no matter wheather you are a victim, a so, a rso, a murderer, or just some homeless person. and of course, your right, i never mentioned names rabbit, so what are you being so offensive about. our problems our ours. but yet here you are in victims forum opening your mouth to me. maybe showing remorse to victims, would show that you aren't like the others, and you wouldn't be put in a catagory that you seem to think that i am putting you in, which i didn't. Am i leaving, not on your luckiest day, rabbit, i will be here, everyday that i can, standing up for all victims, until they can realize they can feel like be strong and take back what was taken from them. And yea, i think that was a personal attack, since it was made in the victims forum. and i don't need your luck for me or my daughter, because we take care of ourselves, and with the help of a few unmentioned again friends from here. and as for jenclink, i pm her. i also was in hospital for a bit. and am only on PC during certain days, usually on weekends and mondays, my days are spent with my kids.

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Message 165509

Posted by rabbitreborn on Oct 26, 2005 06:28 PM | Also by rabbitreborn

Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: Florida, Country: United States

mom as you have not asked for RSO's to refrain from commenting I feel safe to do so.

<blockquote>I haven't been here that long, but i have seen 2 veterans of this forum leave because the victims are being abused, bashed or not taken seriously by the SO'S RSO's and such. </blockquote>

Please do not make blanket statements that include all RSO's when saying things of this nature.  Other than a debate between you and myself in regards to your situtation, I have never been abusive, bashing, or failed to take another victim seriously. Please do not use a broad stroke of your brush to paint us all in the same fashion.

<blockquote>1. wishing harm from a natural disaster is wish harm on anyone, SO or victim.</blockquote>
Again, you are making it seem that every RSO is guilty of this, when in reality I know I, for one, felt repulsed by this attitude and in fact encouraged the ones I saw saying this to apologize to the person they made the comment to.
<blockquote>2. Everyone gets in a heated debate because the SO's don't understand the emotional turmoil that families and victims are going through. all they want to do is gripe and moan about how unfair the laws are to them.</blockquote>
Alsa, if everyone were gifted with the wisdom of soloman and the patience of Job, then this wouldn't be an issue. Sadly we are not so gifted, and the truth is that most of us DO realize the emotional turmoil (in fact some of us have even lived through it). While we may not always express it, many of us are remorseful for our actions, unfortunately, we also are human and having to deal with ever changing laws that limit our freedom long after we have paid the price for our actions WILL result in anger and unrest.

<blockquote>Now, 2 of the most broad minded people in this forum are leaving, if they come back, it would be a miracle.</blockquote>
You say 2 but I actually count 3 just recently (DP1, DTCDTT, and Deadmomwalking) and that doesn't include the fact that Silverthorn hasn't been around in quite a while. In the case of DP1, I believe she is just taking a break for awhile and will eventually return (or at least I hope so), DTCDTT apparently comes and goes from time to time (or at least that's the impression I get from her), and while I haven't personally talked to deadmomwalking, I also have not seen where she made the comment (at least in an open forum) that she is leaving.
<blockquote> I for one as both a victim, who was STUPID only in capitals to make my point, and as a MOTHER of a VICTIM are gone. Because of the callous, cold, and unthoughtful and just plain ignorance of some of the posts that have been made.</blockquote>
Do we take this to mean YOU are leaving? If so, let me be the first to say goodbye and goodluck in your future endeavours. I am not saying this in a cold or callus way, so please do not take that as a personal attack. No matter what our differences may have been , I do wish the best for you and hope you and your daughter pull through the terrible events that have plagued your life. Good luck to both of you.
<blockquote>Steve, there has to be something that you can do so that victims feel safe to post in, without harsh words from other people. Especially those who hope that mother nature will do harm to others. That was uncalled for.</blockquote>
It WAS uncalled for, howeveer, I don't think it was something that Steve should have concerned himself with as it was just some people running off at the mouth. 
<blockquote>I only hope, that other victims, will get up off their butts, and speak out</blockquote>
Unfortunately, as is evidenced by the thread started in the Victim's Corner by Jenclick seeking advice, that has been shown to be a far fetched dream. All those that advocate for the victims and preach about how the Victim's Corner should be a RSO free area, left this poor girl hanging in the wind with no advise for 5 days before someone that is as much an advocate for RSO rights as he is an advocate for victims rights finally stepped forward and tried to advise her.

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165453, momhelpingbyherself, Oct 25, 2005 09:45 PM [When does a victim ever get any rights]
      165454, steve, Oct 25, 2005 10:00 PM
            165460, anothen, Oct 25, 2005 11:02 PM
      165464, youtoo, Oct 26, 2005 12:35 AM
      165503, tygerlillie, Oct 26, 2005 05:02 PM [Have a stupid ? well maybe not so stupid]
            165955, 1dadof5, Nov 01, 2005 01:57 AM [tiger]
            166017, Navigatr1, Nov 01, 2005 01:26 PM [Not Stupid]
      165509, rabbitreborn, Oct 26, 2005 06:28 PM
            165511, momhelpingbyherself, Oct 26, 2005 06:49 PM [rabbitreborn]
                  165928, rabbitreborn, Oct 31, 2005 09:48 PM
                        166020, Navigatr1, Nov 01, 2005 01:44 PM
            165542, 1dadof5, Oct 26, 2005 11:37 PM
                  165564, myoung, Oct 27, 2005 07:18 AM [coming and going]
      165558, anti, Oct 27, 2005 05:22 AM [what?]
      165565, myoung, Oct 27, 2005 07:19 AM [driving people away]
            165584, momhelpingbyherself, Oct 27, 2005 01:29 PM [myyoung and 1dadoffive]
                  165939, anti, Oct 31, 2005 10:41 PM [dp left?]
                        165971, dp1, Nov 01, 2005 04:12 AM [Anti]
                              165972, anti, Nov 01, 2005 04:18 AM [thank you...]
                  166022, Navigatr1, Nov 01, 2005 01:49 PM
                  166258, myoung, Nov 03, 2005 06:34 AM [mom]
            165598, dp1, Oct 27, 2005 03:31 PM
                  165601, momhelpingbyherself, Oct 27, 2005 04:13 PM [in a perfect world]
                  165658, myoung, Oct 27, 2005 07:58 PM [dp1]
                        165666, momhelpingbyherself, Oct 27, 2005 11:51 PM [myyoung No So's Rso'...]
                              166259, myoung, Nov 03, 2005 06:41 AM [mom]
                        165700, kids1st, Oct 28, 2005 06:56 AM
                        165773, rebel51, Oct 29, 2005 03:07 PM
                              165779, myoung, Oct 29, 2005 05:17 PM [reb]
                                    165788, momhelpingbyherself, Oct 29, 2005 06:21 PM [myyoung]
                                          166260, myoung, Nov 03, 2005 06:46 AM [mom]
                                    165823, rebel51, Oct 30, 2005 01:20 PM
                                          166262, myoung, Nov 03, 2005 07:16 AM [rebel]
                                                166266, rebel51, Nov 03, 2005 08:01 AM
                                                      166280, myoung, Nov 03, 2005 01:27 PM [reb]
            166021, Navigatr1, Nov 01, 2005 01:47 PM [I agree]
      165616, momhelpingbyherself, Oct 27, 2005 04:49 PM [to sit things straight]
            165930, rabbitreborn, Oct 31, 2005 10:13 PM
                  166012, dp1, Nov 01, 2005 12:06 PM
                        166034, rabbitreborn, Nov 01, 2005 02:25 PM
                              166040, dp1, Nov 01, 2005 02:49 PM
                                    166044, dp1, Nov 01, 2005 03:00 PM [My Post]
                                    166068, rabbitreborn, Nov 01, 2005 04:25 PM
                                          166073, dp1, Nov 01, 2005 04:49 PM
                                                166076, rabbitreborn, Nov 01, 2005 05:05 PM
                              166061, dp1, Nov 01, 2005 04:07 PM
                                    166074, rabbitreborn, Nov 01, 2005 04:52 PM
                        166058, Renunciation, Nov 01, 2005 03:43 PM
                              166070, dp1, Nov 01, 2005 04:30 PM
                        166082, momhelpingbyherself, Nov 01, 2005 05:48 PM [dp1]
            166024, Navigatr1, Nov 01, 2005 02:04 PM
                  166083, momhelpingbyherself, Nov 01, 2005 05:55 PM [navigatr1]
                        166264, myoung, Nov 03, 2005 07:24 AM [mom]

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