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Thread (Discussion): Question about online registry
Message 163916
Posted by babs
on Oct 08, 2005 07:41 PM | Also by babs
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: New Jersey,
Country: United States |
My step-father was convicted for sexually abusing my sister, my step sister, and I in '91, he got out in '96. I've checked the "online" registry several times over the yrs. and he isn't on there, I had talked to the police in his town and they said that he registers every 90 days. I had asked them why he isn't on line and they said they didn't know and they were going to check on it and get back to me. It's been 11/2 yrs and I haven't heard from them. I've written to my state rep. and got no response. My step-father is a tier 2 and the judge had found him to be repeditive and compulsive. Can anyone give me advice on what I should do to get him online? Is there ,by law, a reason he isn't online?
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Message 163918 (In Reply to Message 163916)
Posted by steve
on Oct 08, 2005 10:24 PM | Also by steve
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: Virginia,
Country: United States |
Was the conviction in New Jersey (I see in your profile you are in New Jersey)? And does he still live in New Jersey? If so, based on the Megan's Law requirements for New Jersey, he may not be required to register as a sex offender due to his conviction predating the requirement to register. You may want to also see New Jersey's detailed page on the legal requirements - it's rather long and I only skimmed it now b/c I don't want to waste my efforts if New Jersey isn't the right state.
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Message 163919 (In Reply to Message 163918)
Posted by steve
on Oct 08, 2005 10:39 PM | Also by steve
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: Virginia,
Country: United States |
And here's another document. It's a *long* document, but I'm posting a link to it in case you or anyone else wants to read it.
New Jersey Attorney General Guidelines for Law Enforcement for the Implementation of Sex Offender Registration and Community Notification Laws (Adobe Acrobat PDF File, 82 pages long)
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Message 163920 (In Reply to Message 163919)
answer to your question
Posted by babs
on Oct 08, 2005 10:50 PM | Also by babs
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: New Jersey,
Country: United States |
Yes, he is in NJ. He was released in 1997. I know that in Megan's law it says that if the offender is related some how, he was my step-father, that he doesn't have to be on the online registry. But the charges he was convicted with says nothing about being family. He was origanaly charged with 20 counts but convicted on 3. Also he was found to be repeditive and compulsive (by the judge) and I believe I read that if an offender is found to be repeditive and compulsive he should be on the Internet. If I'm wrong please let me know. If you think he should be please let me know what I should do to get him on there. Thanks for your help.
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Message 163943 (In Reply to Message 163916)
Posted by oicu812
on Oct 09, 2005 12:04 PM | Also by oicu812
| Gender: N/A,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: N/A,
Country: United States |
does he live near you now? how far from you does he live? do you even know where he lives for sure?
i can understand your concern and outrage if you are afraid he is living near you. you definitely have a right to know that. you might check with the social security administration and the state department of revenue(or whatever it's called in your state). they may be able to help you or law enforcement track down where he is living now. you can also locate someone fairly easily with one of the people finders on the web. for a few bucks you can do a search that has multiple resources such as telephone records, public utilities, court records, etc. those services usually work very well. most of the major search engines feature them on their homepage. good luck to you. you deserve to live in peace.
can you tell me if you want to verify his residence or do you want him listed on the registry. if the registry, can you tell me why?
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Message 163966 (In Reply to Message 163920)
Posted by dp1
on Oct 09, 2005 04:32 PM | Also by dp1
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
I think the quickest way to cut the red tape is to contact the DA's office. They will have his court file and know all the details in addition to knowing the state laws in regards to registration. You are entitled to a straight answer. The system is somewhat confusing and if you waste time with calling police departments, parole offices, and such you'll likely be getting the runaround. Trust me I know because I work in a parole office. The reality is that there are few people that really know all the registration laws and all the ins and outs of the computer glitches and such on the registries. I'm familiar with my state which is Florida, but I don't know how your state operates. First, get the DA to give you a straight answer then go from there. Is he on parole or probation?
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Message 164032 (In Reply to Message 163943)
Posted by babs
on Oct 10, 2005 05:02 AM | Also by babs
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: New Jersey,
Country: United States |
I know where he is living, he lives in the next county over. I want him on the registry because I know what he is capable of. He abused me and my sister and his biological daughter. As of right now he has a woman with a 9 year old daughter living with me. She was informed from a family friend of what he had done and he told her that he was charged with the crime but never convicted of them. He was originally charged with 20 counts but only convicted on 3. He has a paper stating that the charges were dropped. (the other 17).
He had abused me from the time I was 8 or 9 till 16 when I told. He is classified as a tier 2, but the judge found him to be repeditive and compulsive. I don't just want him on there for my own security, but I want him on there so others know what he had done because he tells them different. That little girl is in danger and her mother wont listen to reason, and maybe if he was on the Internet she would see the truth.
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Message 164073 (In Reply to Message 163943)
Posted by steve
on Oct 10, 2005 04:01 PM | Also by steve
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Virginia,
Country: United States |
Why she wants him listed is a moot point to me. If the law requires him to be listed he should be listed. If not, it's out of her hands. She needs to find out whether he's supposed to be listed and if he is supposed to be, why he isn't, and if it's not resolved, take steps. That's it.
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Message 164113 (In Reply to Message 164073)
Posted by babs
on Oct 11, 2005 01:00 AM | Also by babs
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: New Jersey,
Country: United States |
For one, you are writing like I'm not going to read the applied messages to the question I asked, I feel as though you were talking like I'm not here. For two, I want him on there because the judge found him to be compulsive and repeditive. He is COMPULSIVE and he WILL REPEAT his sick acts. what is so moot about that. For three, I have taken steps and got the run around and no straight answers thats why I'm on here looking for advice. I would greatly appreciate some respect.
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Message 164121 (In Reply to Message 164113)
Posted by steve
on Oct 11, 2005 02:34 AM | Also by steve
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Virginia,
Country: United States |
babs, I'm not sure if it was clear, but the message of mine you replied to was my reply to this post by oicu812, specifically the questions "can you tell me if you want to verify his residence or do you want him listed on the registry. if the registry, can you tell me why?". So I was addressing oicu812 directly, not you. It wasn't pretending you didn't exist or weren't going to return. I certainly meant no disprespect to you.
I understand everything you've said and I think you misunderstood what I meant about it being a moot point. I wasn't suggesting anything about the danger of this person or your efforts to find out the answers to your questions here or with law enforcement and the legal system. I was simply sharing that being subject to registration and appearing on the public registry is a matter of law. Whether he is *required* to and *can* be listed on the public registry is simply a matter of law. If he's not required to be, he can't be, and nothing you do, short of getting the law changed, will change that. If he is required to be, then something in the system is broken and I encourage you to keep making yourself heard and take it to your legislators, the media and higher levels in the law enforcement system until something is done. So the reason you want him listed is moot - it doesn't affect whether he'll be listed and it's irrelevant to the questions you asked. I hope that makes sense.
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Message 164133 (In Reply to Message 164032)
Posted by oicu812
on Oct 11, 2005 05:34 AM | Also by oicu812
| Gender: N/A,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: N/A,
Country: United States |
excellent thinking!
steve and dp1 have some good ideas. dss or child protective services in his area might also be a good place to call, but i like dp1 and steve's suggestions.
if he is lying about his conviction then he is probably lying about other things and keeping secrets like he did before. that means that anyone around him, especially children, are at risk. this is a great example of why there is a registry. properly used, the registry, along with accountability checks by local LE, help keep the rso in check. it does not gaurantee it, but i think it does help.
good luck.
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Message 164141 (In Reply to Message 164113)
babs
Posted by dp1
on Oct 11, 2005 08:13 AM | Also by dp1
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
Hello babs and welcome to this forum. I am so sorry New Jersey doesn't place level 2's on the internet. I agree with you that they should because they pose a risk.
The public may, without limitation, obtain access to the Internet registry to view an individual registration record, any part of, or the entire Internet registry concerning all offenders whose risk of reoffense is moderate; however, the individual registration record of an offender whose risk of reoffense has been determined to be moderate will not be made available to the public on the Internet registry if the sole sex offense committed by the offender which renders him or her subject to the registration requirements is one of the following:
(1) an adjudication of delinquency for any sex offense;
(2) a conviction or acquittal by reason of insanity for sexual assault, aggravated criminal contact, or criminal contact under circumstances in which the offender was related to the victim by blood or affinity to the third degree or was a foster parent, a guardian, or stood in loco parentis within the household; or
(3) a conviction or acquittal by reason of insanity for sexual assault, aggravated criminal contact, or criminal contact in any case in which the victim assented to the commission of the offense but by reason of age was not capable of giving lawful consent.
These exceptions will not apply, however, if the State establishes by clear and convincing evidence that, given the particular facts and circumstances of the offense and the characteristics and propensities of the
offender, the risk to the public posed by the offender is substantially similar to that posed by offenders whose risk of reoffense is moderate and who do not qualify under the exceptions.
It's amazing how the government gets to decide for you who is dangerous to someone and who isn't? I find this appalling.
We'll never understand why a women with kids gets messed up with a man who abused his own kids. It makes no sense does it? Maybe placing his photo on the internet will help and maybe it won't. Denial runs deep with incest offenders and the people around them that they lie to and deceive. Have you tried talking to the Mom?
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Message 164224 (In Reply to Message 164121)
Sorry
Posted by babs
on Oct 12, 2005 03:31 AM | Also by babs
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: New Jersey,
Country: United States |
steve
I'm sorry for getting so offended. What you wrote does make sense. Thankyou
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Message 164226 (In Reply to Message 164141)
Posted by babs
on Oct 12, 2005 03:48 AM | Also by babs
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: New Jersey,
Country: United States |
I haven't talked to the mom, I don't want to go near his town. But I have a friend that lives in his town and works with the mom and she tried talking to her. She won't listen.
tell me if I'm right about something. It says pretty much that if someone pleades insanity and is a member of that family they don't go on the internet registry. If I am reading this right then I don't think he pleaded insanity. He is a teir 2, but I've seen alot of tier 2 offenders online. I'm going to call the DA's office and see what they can do for me. wish me luck.
Thanks for all the advice and thanks for the welcome.
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Message 164240 (In Reply to Message 164032)
Posted by kids1st
on Oct 12, 2005 06:29 AM | Also by kids1st
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Alabama,
Country: United States |
Hi Babs. Sorry to hear of your troubles. The best course for you to take may be the Department of Family and Children Services in your area. If the deem the child in dange, the mother will have no choice but to get her away from him. The set of rules for the dept. of family and children is not the same as the law. My daughter was molested by my brother-in-law, who was never convicted. He does not have to register or anything, but according to DHR in my area, he can not be in the same room with my daughter (which is a life-saver for me as no one else in his famil believes he did it). But anyway, that is the course I would take. They will be able to tell you what can be done about the child living in the home with him.
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Message 164281 (In Reply to Message 164226)
Posted by dp1
on Oct 12, 2005 02:10 PM | Also by dp1
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Florida,
Country: United States |
I'm going to call the DA's office and see what they can do for me. wish me luck.
Can you let us know what the DA says about his registration? I'd be interested in how they do things up there. I understand your frustrations. Good luck.
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Message 164291 (In Reply to Message 164224)
Posted by oicu812
on Oct 12, 2005 02:52 PM | Also by oicu812
| Gender: N/A,
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State: N/A,
Country: United States |
maybe i should have been more clear as well. steve was right. he was making sure my reply to you did not seem like i was questioning the integrity of your motives. i think he was questioning my motives, actually.
i only asked because if you are really stressed over this, then getting him on the registry might not completely help you feel better. some victim treatment might really be beneficial to you if you are willing to explore that. in fact, many treatment providers have some great ideas too on how to deal with the issues we are discussing.
my apologies to both you and steve. best wishes to you.
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Message 164344 (In Reply to Message 164291)
Posted by steve
on Oct 12, 2005 09:58 PM | Also by steve
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Virginia,
Country: United States |
steve was right. he was making sure my reply to you did not seem like i was questioning the integrity of your motives. i think he was questioning my motives, actually.
oicu812, I will 'fess up - you are correct. As you can imagine, from time to time, posters will try to interject their views when not really appropriate, take a discussion in a different direction or hijack a thread and my radar came up after reading your post because I've seen questions like yours by others which served as the bait to followup with opinions about the perceived ineffectiveness and persecution of the registries. It seems you had a different, yet constructive angle. Cheers.
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Message 164353 (In Reply to Message 164344)
Posted by oicu812
on Oct 12, 2005 11:50 PM | Also by oicu812
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State: N/A,
Country: United States |
no prob. you did the right thing. err on the side of the victim and caution.
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Message 164406 (In Reply to Message 164226)
babs
Posted by momhelpingbyherself
on Oct 13, 2005 01:59 PM | Also by momhelpingbyherself
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Kentucky,
Country: United States |
babs, from what i have found out here in Ky. Its up to the offender to register him/herself. Not the law enforcement. doesn't seem right. but that is how it is here where i live.
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Message 164407 (In Reply to Message 164281)
dp1
Posted by momhelpingbyherself
on Oct 13, 2005 02:00 PM | Also by momhelpingbyherself
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: Kentucky,
Country: United States |
i can tell you what the DA said in KY. he didn' t know how it worked. that he would have to find out.
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Message 164871 (In Reply to Message 164406)
Posted by babs
on Oct 18, 2005 02:30 AM | Also by babs
| Gender: Female,
Age Bracket: N/A,
State: New Jersey,
Country: United States |
I haven't had time to contact the DA here yet. I have 4 children and very busy. I should have time tomorrow.
Thanks Momhelpingbyherself for the info. He does register every 90 days, I did find that out a while ago when I contacted the police and questioned them, but he isn't on the online registry. Is that what your talking about, that it is up to him to get himself on there? Anyway, I'm goning to see what I can do tomorrow. Thanks for everyones advice and once I get ahold of the DA I'll let you all know the outcome.
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163916, babs, Oct 08, 2005 07:41 PM
163918, steve, Oct 08, 2005 10:24 PM
163919, steve, Oct 08, 2005 10:39 PM
163920, babs, Oct 08, 2005 10:50 PM [answer to your question]
163966, dp1, Oct 09, 2005 04:32 PM
163943, oicu812, Oct 09, 2005 12:04 PM
164032, babs, Oct 10, 2005 05:02 AM
164133, oicu812, Oct 11, 2005 05:34 AM
164240, kids1st, Oct 12, 2005 06:29 AM
164073, steve, Oct 10, 2005 04:01 PM
164113, babs, Oct 11, 2005 01:00 AM
164121, steve, Oct 11, 2005 02:34 AM
164224, babs, Oct 12, 2005 03:31 AM [Sorry]
164291, oicu812, Oct 12, 2005 02:52 PM
164344, steve, Oct 12, 2005 09:58 PM
164353, oicu812, Oct 12, 2005 11:50 PM
164141, dp1, Oct 11, 2005 08:13 AM [babs]
164226, babs, Oct 12, 2005 03:48 AM
164281, dp1, Oct 12, 2005 02:10 PM
164407, momhelpingbyherself, Oct 13, 2005 02:00 PM [dp1]
164406, momhelpingbyherself, Oct 13, 2005 01:59 PM [babs]
164871, babs, Oct 18, 2005 02:30 AM
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