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Forum: Victims and Survivors Corner
Thread (Discussion): We need help
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Message 122253 (In Reply to Message 122250)
Posted by orolan
on Nov 24, 2003 11:53 PM | Also by orolan
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: 40 - 49,
State: N/A,
Country: United States |
Steve,
Since a defendant, under the presumtion of innocence premise, is innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY, a finding of not guilty is in fact a confirmation of that innocence. Yes, we both know that it is possible the evidence wasn't strong enough for conviction. But it is wrong to automatically assume that.
I firmly believe that in today's courtrooms, juries are far more inclined to err on the side of caution and convict in child sex abuse cases. If this jury failed to convict on ANY count or return a lesser-included offense conviction, the evidence had to be pretty much non-existent or had a total lack of credibility.
As my first paragraph shows, I wasn't trying to mislead or sway the poster, and I didn't misspeak. Presumption of innocence is a premise that has been around a lot longer than you and I put together, and is a fundamental foundation of our courts.
Sure, I sometimes second-guess a jury decision. But only if I've been given all the facts that were presented in the case and/or I attended portions of the trial. No way will I formulate an opinion based only on the words of the "losing" side. Or the "winning" side, for that matter.
And as for MJ, yes, I said that. It is a perfect example. People the world over have already tried and convicted him. Why? Because they don't like him. Ever think about the fact that maybe this thread's original poster doesn't LIKE the exonerated defendant? What evidence is there in the MJ case? At this point, only the statements made by the boy in some therapy session (for what, we don't know). If I were on the jury, the state better come up with something better than that. And right now, MJ is innocent. He will remain so if he is found not guilty.
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Message 122250
Not guilty, not innocent
Posted by steve
on Nov 24, 2003 09:51 PM | Also by steve
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: Virginia,
Country: United States |
Thread
122241, Chopdoc, Nov 24, 2003 07:48 PM [Please help]
122242, orolan, Nov 24, 2003 08:45 PM
122246, Silverthorne, Nov 24, 2003 09:45 PM
122250, steve, Nov 24, 2003 09:51 PM [Not guilty, not innocent]
122253, orolan, Nov 24, 2003 11:53 PM
122256, steve, Nov 25, 2003 01:20 AM
122349, marta, Nov 26, 2003 12:47 AM [Constitutional rights]
122421, orolan, Nov 28, 2003 12:00 AM
122542, marta, Dec 01, 2003 07:55 PM [I know]
122545, steve, Dec 01, 2003 08:48 PM
122633, orolan, Dec 03, 2003 02:52 PM
122714, marta, Dec 05, 2003 05:57 AM [It's a wash]
122415, PVulcan, Nov 27, 2003 10:35 PM
122417, Silverthorne, Nov 27, 2003 10:56 PM
122252, dp1, Nov 24, 2003 11:35 PM [Hello]
122257, poetsdreamscape, Nov 25, 2003 01:26 AM [Questions]
122556, lisaearl, Dec 02, 2003 01:44 AM [sorry for your daughter]
122582, mouseinawheel, Dec 02, 2003 05:46 AM
122632, orolan, Dec 03, 2003 02:36 PM [Bravo]
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