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Forum: Victims and Survivors Corner
Thread (Discussion): We need help
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Message 122250 (In Reply to Message 122242)
Not guilty, not innocent
Posted by steve
on Nov 24, 2003 09:51 PM | Also by steve
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
State: Virginia,
Country: United States |
> The jury told us and you that the man is innocent.
A jury does not have the power to find someone innocent. They are tasked with finding a defendant guilty or not guilty. Not guilty can mean the jury believes the defendant is innocent. It can mean the jury doesn't thinks the state proved the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
This may seem like a subtle difference, but it really isn't. Orolan, I'm sure you even knew this. Maybe you thought it would be easier to sway the poster if you misspoke?
>Since they heard the testimony and viewed the evidence first-hand,
> I refuse to second-guess their decision.
Why? Since I don't think you actually believe a jury always makes the right decision and that the state always proves every guilty defendant's guilt beyond a resoanable doubt I suspect that from time to time you do in fact second-guess juries' decisions. A recent post of yours about Michael Jackson even seems to indicate that if you served on a jury you wouldn't convict if the state didn't make their case beyond a reasonable doubt. That's the way the system is supposed to work, but please don't confuse innocence with not proven guilty and don't pretend a jury verdict always reflects a defendant's true innocence or guilt.
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Message 122242
Posted by orolan
on Nov 24, 2003 08:45 PM | Also by orolan
| Gender: Male,
Age Bracket: 40 - 49,
State: N/A,
Country: United States |
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122241, Chopdoc, Nov 24, 2003 07:48 PM [Please help]
122242, orolan, Nov 24, 2003 08:45 PM
122246, Silverthorne, Nov 24, 2003 09:45 PM
122250, steve, Nov 24, 2003 09:51 PM [Not guilty, not innocent]
122253, orolan, Nov 24, 2003 11:53 PM
122256, steve, Nov 25, 2003 01:20 AM
122349, marta, Nov 26, 2003 12:47 AM [Constitutional rights]
122421, orolan, Nov 28, 2003 12:00 AM
122542, marta, Dec 01, 2003 07:55 PM [I know]
122545, steve, Dec 01, 2003 08:48 PM
122633, orolan, Dec 03, 2003 02:52 PM
122714, marta, Dec 05, 2003 05:57 AM [It's a wash]
122415, PVulcan, Nov 27, 2003 10:35 PM
122417, Silverthorne, Nov 27, 2003 10:56 PM
122252, dp1, Nov 24, 2003 11:35 PM [Hello]
122257, poetsdreamscape, Nov 25, 2003 01:26 AM [Questions]
122556, lisaearl, Dec 02, 2003 01:44 AM [sorry for your daughter]
122582, mouseinawheel, Dec 02, 2003 05:46 AM
122632, orolan, Dec 03, 2003 02:36 PM [Bravo]
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