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Thread (Discussion): "no" means "no"...or maybe "more wine?"

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Message 118361 (In Reply to Message 118358)
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Posted by x_orolan on Oct 20, 2003 02:31 PM | Also by x_orolan

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"And what would those be?"
Don't know. You brought them up, so why don't you tell me what they are?

"If there's a real system-wide problem here, it's that there is inadequate defense for many people."
I won't disagree with that. But it isn't the only problem, and it is one taken advantage of by prosecutors.

"Hell no. I'm aiming for a judgeship or will remain in academia."
Good for you. I think you'd make a good one.

"To argue that evidence is likely false or mis-represented without knowing so is irresponsible"
I simply quoted data from the Innocence Project. Since I'm not doing the case reviews myself, I have to trust that Barry Scheck knows what he's talking about. And since he's managed to get these 138 people off death row and exonerated, somebody else obviously thinks he does.

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Posted by x_marta on Oct 20, 2003 01:01 PM | Also by x_marta

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orolan wrote:
> 
> "given the alternatives practiced by the rest of the world"
> Considering that we have a higher per-capita prison
> population than any other country in the world and we are the
> last of the so-called "civilized" world to still execute
> people, I'd be all for the "alternatives".

And what would those be?

> "I simply do not believe that the prosecution is that evil..."
> Prosecutorial misconduct, particularly in capital cases, is
> well documented. Sorry, but a prosecutor will do whatever it
> takes to get a person convicted. Acquittals don't get you
> re-elected, convictions do.

Baloney.  You act as though prosecutors are unchecked by judges or by defense attorneys.  Prosecutors do their jobs, they fill a specific role of aggressively seeking conviction.  It is the defense's job to limit the state's ability to incarcerate at will.  If there's a real system-wide problem here, it's that there is inadequate defense for many people.

> Which side of the room do you plan on being on when you get
> your sheepskin? Planning on being a prosecutor? If so, I hope
> you can maintain your fair and honest attitude while managing
> to keep your job, too.

Hell no.  I'm aiming for a judgeship or will remain in academia.

> "Without any other evidence?"
> As I said, these cases typically involved more than one of
> the listed factors. So yes, there was most likely other
> evidence. But it was also probably false or mis-represented.

You simply don't know this.  To argue that evidence is likely false or mis-represented without knowing so is irresponsible.  It also creates fear where there might not need be any.  If what you think holds true, it will stand up to inspection when you go to look for examples.

> I know they didn't pass these laws strictly on my behalf. But
> as a member of that disenfranchised class, I am entitled to
> take it personally.

Of course you are.  You're entitled to feel anything you want.

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118093, x_simon, Oct 12, 2003 03:58 PM ["no" means "no"...or maybe &qu...]
      118098, x_SurvivorForeve, Oct 13, 2003 02:19 AM [Re: "no" means "no&quo...]
      118125, x_HPierce, Oct 13, 2003 08:25 AM [well considering.]
            118150, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 11:08 AM [Re: well considering.]
      118138, x_orolan, Oct 13, 2003 10:14 AM [Re: "no" means "no"...or ...]
            118164, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 04:36 PM [Re: "no" means "no"...o...]
                  118173, x_orolan, Oct 13, 2003 07:13 PM [Re: "no" means "no"...]
                        118192, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 10:13 PM [Re: "no" means "no&quo...]
                              118216, x_orolan, Oct 14, 2003 12:12 PM [Re: "no" means "no...]
                                    118236, x_marta, Oct 14, 2003 04:00 PM [Re: "no" means "...]
                                          118247, x_orolan, Oct 14, 2003 07:31 PM [Re: "no" means &...]
                                                118252, x_marta, Oct 14, 2003 08:41 PM [Re: "no" means...]
                                                      118265, x_losttime, Oct 15, 2003 05:11 AM [Re: "no"...]
                                                            118267, x_marta, Oct 15, 2003 09:36 AM [Re: "no"...]
                                                                  118303, x_losttime, Oct 16, 2003 01:53 AM [Re: "no...]
                                                                        118316, x_marta, Oct 16, 2003 07:45 PM [Re: "n...]
                                                                              118320, x_losttime, Oct 17, 2003 01:09 AM [Re: &...]
                                                                                    118334, x_marta, Oct 17, 2003 08:06 PM [Re: &...]
                                                      118312, x_orolan, Oct 16, 2003 12:33 PM [Re: "no" m...]
                                                            118317, x_marta, Oct 16, 2003 07:48 PM [Re: "no"...]
                                                                  118325, x_orolan, Oct 17, 2003 11:35 AM [Re: "no&q...]
                                                                        118335, x_marta, Oct 17, 2003 08:19 PM [Re: "n...]
                                                                              118339, x_orolan, Oct 17, 2003 09:45 PM [Re: &qu...]
                                                                                    118347, x_marta, Oct 19, 2003 04:57 AM [Re:]
                                                                                          118351, x_orolan, Oct 19, 2003 06:56 PM [Re:]
                                                                                                118358, x_marta, Oct 20, 2003 01:01 PM [Re...]
                                                                                                      118361, x_orolan, Oct 20, 2003 02:31 PM [...]
                                                                                                            118365, x_marta, Oct 20, 2003 06:13 PM [...]
                        146015, Rejected
                  118188, x_losttime, Oct 13, 2003 08:29 PM [Re: "no" means "no&quo...]

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