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Thread (Discussion): "no" means "no"...or maybe "more wine?"

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Message 118339 (In Reply to Message 118335)
Re: "no" means "no"...or maybe "more wine?"


Posted by x_orolan on Oct 17, 2003 09:45 PM | Also by x_orolan
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"And that would be what percentage of the total incarcerated?"

Makes no difference. Do you feel that 5% of the people on death row actually being innocent is an acceptable number? How about 10%? 20%? Where does it stop being "insignificant"?
ONE person in prison unjustly is a problem. You can't see it, because you aren't that person. But if you were, would your opinion still be the same?

"Why do you assume this, instead of thinking that perhaps the available evidence was compelling enough at the time of trial to convince a jury beyond a reasonable doubt?"

True. The evidence may be compelling. And it also may be tainted, twisted, or downright false. But since the prosecution brought the evidence, it has instant credibility in the eyes of the jury. Perhaps this is why of the first 70 cases(now up to 138) in which the Innocence Project has exonerated people, 61 of those cases involved mistaken ID(somebody said "It was him" and the jury believed the witness), 34 involved prosecutorial misconduct, 38 involved police misconduct, 17 involved false testimony by "other" witnesses, and 16 involved false information provided by snitches and informants, among other reasons. Since these add up to a lot more than 70, it is also obvious that some combination of these were used to gain a conviction.
Oftentimes, all a defendant can say is "I didn't do it". God forbid that a person should be at home alone watching TV. They could find themselves doing life next month. And people like you wouldn't care, because you're safe in your bed, knowing that "justice was served, and the jury has spoken".

"And I have yet to see statistics, reliable or otherwise, that make me think there is a problem"

Since I'm already using his data, Barry Scheck and his 138 freed people is all the statistic I need to know there is a problem. If juries will make mistakes like this when a person's LIFE hangs in the balance, what makes you think they would be any more diligent when the crime is something like burglary?

"Where is your sense of responsibility?"

The state took it away when I became a "convicted felon". I am considered "undesirable" because I've been convicted of a crime myself. So I would naturally vote for acquittal every time. Hogwash. That logic dictates that a jury of "honest" people would always vote for conviction, which we know isn't true.

"My question is: how would you change the justice system to fix the problem with he said/she said rape cases?"
"And let's get the definition of "he said/she said" out of the way first so that we're both talking about the same thing"

Saved these for last. Were you going to define "he said/she said", or did you want me to? And perhaps we should move these last two questions to the new board, as this one will go down soon.

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Message 118335
Re: "no" means "no"...or maybe "more wine?"


Posted by x_marta on Oct 17, 2003 08:19 PM | Also by x_marta
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118093, x_simon, Oct 12, 2003 03:58 PM ["no" means "no"...or maybe &qu...]
      118098, x_SurvivorForeve, Oct 13, 2003 02:19 AM [Re: "no" means "no&quo...]
      118125, x_HPierce, Oct 13, 2003 08:25 AM [well considering.]
            118150, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 11:08 AM [Re: well considering.]
      118138, x_orolan, Oct 13, 2003 10:14 AM [Re: "no" means "no"...or ...]
            118164, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 04:36 PM [Re: "no" means "no"...o...]
                  118173, x_orolan, Oct 13, 2003 07:13 PM [Re: "no" means "no"...]
                        118192, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 10:13 PM [Re: "no" means "no&quo...]
                              118216, x_orolan, Oct 14, 2003 12:12 PM [Re: "no" means "no...]
                                    118236, x_marta, Oct 14, 2003 04:00 PM [Re: "no" means "...]
                                          118247, x_orolan, Oct 14, 2003 07:31 PM [Re: "no" means &...]
                                                118252, x_marta, Oct 14, 2003 08:41 PM [Re: "no" means...]
                                                      118265, x_losttime, Oct 15, 2003 05:11 AM [Re: "no"...]
                                                            118267, x_marta, Oct 15, 2003 09:36 AM [Re: "no"...]
                                                                  118303, x_losttime, Oct 16, 2003 01:53 AM [Re: "no...]
                                                                        118316, x_marta, Oct 16, 2003 07:45 PM [Re: "n...]
                                                                              118320, x_losttime, Oct 17, 2003 01:09 AM [Re: &...]
                                                                                    118334, x_marta, Oct 17, 2003 08:06 PM [Re: &...]
                                                      118312, x_orolan, Oct 16, 2003 12:33 PM [Re: "no" m...]
                                                            118317, x_marta, Oct 16, 2003 07:48 PM [Re: "no"...]
                                                                  118325, x_orolan, Oct 17, 2003 11:35 AM [Re: "no&q...]
                                                                        118335, x_marta, Oct 17, 2003 08:19 PM [Re: "n...]
                                                                              118339, x_orolan, Oct 17, 2003 09:45 PM [Re: &qu...]
                                                                                    118347, x_marta, Oct 19, 2003 04:57 AM [Re:]
                                                                                          118351, x_orolan, Oct 19, 2003 06:56 PM [Re:]
                                                                                                118358, x_marta, Oct 20, 2003 01:01 PM [Re...]
                                                                                                      118361, x_orolan, Oct 20, 2003 02:31 PM [...]
                                                                                                            118365, x_marta, Oct 20, 2003 06:13 PM [...]
                        146015, Rejected
                  118188, x_losttime, Oct 13, 2003 08:29 PM [Re: "no" means "no&quo...]
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