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Thread (Discussion): "no" means "no"...or maybe "more wine?"

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Message 118303 (In Reply to Message 118267)
Re: "no" means "no"...or maybe "more wine?"

Posted by x_losttime on Oct 16, 2003 01:53 AM | Also by x_losttime

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It was his 3 year old daughter. She did not understand what they were asking her. I did not go to the trial but several of my coworkers did. You have a little girl who is afraid of and will not talk to strangers and a CPS worker who has this big detailed story the child supposedly told her but nobody else heard it. The things other people could testify to hearing were vague at best and required several leaps of faith to get to sexual assault. Also, the CPS worker was allowed to sit at the prosecutor's table as co-counsel. She testified last. The DA also managed to get the mother's diary, where the child said She was talking about daddy putting cream on her when she was sore, supressed as hearsay so the jury never saw or heard that. Hearsay from the mother is supressed but hearsay from the CPS worker is OK? They argued it with the jury out of the room so my coworkers heard it but the jury did not. I also learned today from one of the guys who was there that his daughter tried to run to him when she saw hm in the courtroom but a bailiff intervened. That's the last time he saw his daughter. The more I hear and read about this trial the madder I get.

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Message 118267
Re: "no" means "no"...or maybe "more wine?"

Posted by x_marta on Oct 15, 2003 09:36 AM | Also by x_marta

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lost time wrote:
> 
> Not better liars marta. Changes in laws allow juries to hear
> "evidence" that would never be heard in a murder trial. This
> includes blanket hearsay exemptions that allowed a social
> worker to testify against my friend using 3rd party hearsay
> and get a conviction.

This is anecdotal.  Please give me a regulation, a statute, or a citation to a law review or encyclopedia that supports your argument.

> In his case there was no physical
> evidence whatsoever, the victim was unable to answer simple
> questions without prompting, but the jury believed the social
> worker who was the only person who actually sat in the
> witness chair and said "he did it". They also now give CPS
> workers immunity because they serve a "quasi-prosecutorial"
> role in the courtroom.

If this man was accused of raping a mentally disabled girl, who couldn't realistically testify to the facts herself, who knows what kind of bending of evidentiary rules they allowed.  Then again, I don't have the whole picture, now do I?  And since the one standing accused was your friend, I can hardly expect to get an unbiased account from you.  I wouldn't entirely trust my own flesh and blood, given the same situation, let alone a complete stranger on a messageboard.

Again, give me some information I can trust, and I'm perfectly willing to believe you.

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118093, x_simon, Oct 12, 2003 03:58 PM ["no" means "no"...or maybe &qu...]
      118098, x_SurvivorForeve, Oct 13, 2003 02:19 AM [Re: "no" means "no&quo...]
      118125, x_HPierce, Oct 13, 2003 08:25 AM [well considering.]
            118150, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 11:08 AM [Re: well considering.]
      118138, x_orolan, Oct 13, 2003 10:14 AM [Re: "no" means "no"...or ...]
            118164, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 04:36 PM [Re: "no" means "no"...o...]
                  118173, x_orolan, Oct 13, 2003 07:13 PM [Re: "no" means "no"...]
                        118192, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 10:13 PM [Re: "no" means "no&quo...]
                              118216, x_orolan, Oct 14, 2003 12:12 PM [Re: "no" means "no...]
                                    118236, x_marta, Oct 14, 2003 04:00 PM [Re: "no" means "...]
                                          118247, x_orolan, Oct 14, 2003 07:31 PM [Re: "no" means &...]
                                                118252, x_marta, Oct 14, 2003 08:41 PM [Re: "no" means...]
                                                      118265, x_losttime, Oct 15, 2003 05:11 AM [Re: "no"...]
                                                            118267, x_marta, Oct 15, 2003 09:36 AM [Re: "no"...]
                                                                  118303, x_losttime, Oct 16, 2003 01:53 AM [Re: "no...]
                                                                        118316, x_marta, Oct 16, 2003 07:45 PM [Re: "n...]
                                                                              118320, x_losttime, Oct 17, 2003 01:09 AM [Re: &...]
                                                                                    118334, x_marta, Oct 17, 2003 08:06 PM [Re: &...]
                                                      118312, x_orolan, Oct 16, 2003 12:33 PM [Re: "no" m...]
                                                            118317, x_marta, Oct 16, 2003 07:48 PM [Re: "no"...]
                                                                  118325, x_orolan, Oct 17, 2003 11:35 AM [Re: "no&q...]
                                                                        118335, x_marta, Oct 17, 2003 08:19 PM [Re: "n...]
                                                                              118339, x_orolan, Oct 17, 2003 09:45 PM [Re: &qu...]
                                                                                    118347, x_marta, Oct 19, 2003 04:57 AM [Re:]
                                                                                          118351, x_orolan, Oct 19, 2003 06:56 PM [Re:]
                                                                                                118358, x_marta, Oct 20, 2003 01:01 PM [Re...]
                                                                                                      118361, x_orolan, Oct 20, 2003 02:31 PM [...]
                                                                                                            118365, x_marta, Oct 20, 2003 06:13 PM [...]
                        146015, Rejected
                  118188, x_losttime, Oct 13, 2003 08:29 PM [Re: "no" means "no&quo...]

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Re: "no" means "no"...or maybe "more wine?"

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Re: "no" means "no"...or maybe "more wine?"