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Message 118353 (In Reply to Message 118350)
Re: Moral Equivalent?

Posted by x_marta on Oct 19, 2003 08:14 PM | Also by x_marta

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orolan wrote:
>
> But my position is that I shouldn't have to. If I sued anybody
> it would be the state, for not prosecuting her.

For what? The state is charged with providing security to the bodies and property of its citizens. It is not within the legitimate scope of the government's duty to go after people who defame others. And I, for one, am glad that it isn't. What kind of crazy fascist government would that be? Defamation is a personal, not a public, wrong. It's your job to fight it, not the government's.

> The system is always changing, and my involvement doesn't
> hinder or hasten the changes.

Then what does?

> Our country has existed for over 200 years, but for some
> reason over 500 people still get together every year in
> Washington to write new laws, repeal old ones, and change
> others. And thousands do the same thing on the state and local > level. One would think that after 200 years, there wouldn't be > anything left to make laws about. But an ever-evolving society > dictates that laws be changed to suit the needs and desires of > that society. All I'm doing is putting in my two-cents worth
> as a member of that society.

It's not clear to me why you wrote this. I don't recall asking you to justify anything. . .

> tougher evidence laws involving sexual assaults
> in an effort to eliminate he said/she said situations,
> mandatory reporting timeframes to obtain a sexual assault
> charge (24 hours for "date rape" charges, for example),
> bringing back "lack of chastity" as a valid defense for a
> statutory rape charge.

Given that all I asked about was your proposed changes in "he said/she said" related laws, I would have expected a lot more detail than this. Give it up. You've written new statutory language. Let's hear it.

> also implement the lack of chastity defense for those cases
> involving minors over 12 and under 16.

What is the "lack of chastity" defense?

> We should also move this topic to the new board if we are
> going to continue it.

Go ahead.

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Message 118350
Re: Moral Equivalent?

Posted by x_orolan on Oct 19, 2003 11:57 AM | Also by x_orolan

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Yes, I could probably find a lawyer eventually who would do it for free. But I could also do it myself. I'm already in two lawsuits pro se, so it wouldn't be that big a deal. But my position is that I shouldn't have to. If I sued anybody it would be the state, for not prosecuting her.

The system is always changing, and my involvement doesn't hinder or hasten the changes. Our country has existed for over 200 years, but for some reason over 500 people still get together every year in Washington to write new laws, repeal old ones, and change others. And thousands do the same thing on the state and local level. One would think that after 200 years, there wouldn't be anything left to make laws about. But an ever-evolving society dictates that laws be changed to suit the needs and desires of that society. All I'm doing is putting in my two-cents worth as a member of that society.

What laws I'm suggesting is too broad. In my home state, I'm involved in a total re-write of the Criminal Code, for submission to the state Senate. I met just yesterday with several of the other principals in this matter, one being the Senator who will introduce the bill. Our aim is to simplify the Code, eliminating the archaic laws against spitting on the sidewalk, cohabitation, tying your horse to a lampost, etc. Eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana possessions of 1/4 oz or less, limiting police "sting" operations to buying only(no more selling to addicts and then busting them), ditto prosecution stings. The general flow here is to de-criminalize many "victimless" crimes.
Laws that would be on-topic here involving sexual offenses include de-criminalization of sexual contact between minors when force is not involved(but in some cases a "civil" infraction will be provided for, as a tool to force counseling), tougher evidence laws involving sexual assaults in an effort to eliminate he said/she said situations, mandatory reporting timeframes to obtain a sexual assault charge (24 hours for "date rape" charges, for example), bringing back "lack of chastity" as a valid defense for a statutory rape charge.
With over 600 illegal activities codified in our state laws, there is no way I can give them all to you. But the above is a sample.
On the national level, the task is more daunting. I don't have the contacts to easily effect or introduce such a change. But I do have a cousin who is an 8th-term US Representative from a state in the Northeast. We are involved in a dialogue at this time on introducing a bill that would "unify" the AOC nationwide at 16 and also implement the lack of chastity defense for those cases involving minors over 12 and under 16. Personally, I think we have a better chance of getting the state re-write passed than this Federal statute, but that doesn't keep me from trying.

The alternative is to just plod along like sheep, trusting that the government knows best and we should just keep our mouths shut. I look at the history that brought this country into existence, wondering where we would be if the Founding Fathers had kept their mouths shut. And then I open my mouth and shout with new-found vigor.

We should also move this topic to the new board if we are going to continue it.

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118055, x_marta, Oct 10, 2003 06:17 PM [Moral Equivalent?]
      118128, x_HPierce, Oct 13, 2003 09:03 AM [Yes]
            118165, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 04:38 PM [I wasn't asking you.]
            118166, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 04:42 PM [But while we're at it]
      118145, x_TryingtoSurviv, Oct 13, 2003 10:59 AM [Re: Moral Equivalent?]
            118171, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 07:08 PM [Re: Moral Equivalent?]
                  118321, x_SurvivorForeve, Oct 17, 2003 01:11 AM [Re: Rape VS BS]
                        118336, x_marta, Oct 17, 2003 08:28 PM [Re: Rape VS BS]
                              118340, x_SurvivorForeve, Oct 17, 2003 11:11 PM [Re: What to do!]
            118185, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 07:44 PM [Trying to Survive]
            118243, x_marta, Oct 14, 2003 06:25 PM [That's What I Thought]
            118245, x_orolan, Oct 14, 2003 07:20 PM [Re: Moral Equivalent?]
                  118253, x_marta, Oct 14, 2003 08:45 PM [Re: Moral Equivalent?]
                        118275, x_orolan, Oct 15, 2003 10:50 AM [Re: Moral Equivalent?]
                              118292, x_marta, Oct 15, 2003 08:07 PM [Re: Moral Equivalent?]
                                    118300, x_orolan, Oct 15, 2003 11:28 PM [Re: Moral Equivalent?]
                                          118318, x_marta, Oct 16, 2003 07:59 PM [Re: Moral Equivalent?]
                                                118327, x_orolan, Oct 17, 2003 12:04 PM [Re: Moral Equivalent?]
                                                      118338, x_marta, Oct 17, 2003 08:40 PM [Re: Moral Equivalent?]
                                                            118350, x_orolan, Oct 19, 2003 11:57 AM [Re: Moral Equival...]
                                                                  118353, x_marta, Oct 19, 2003 08:14 PM [Re: Moral Equiv...]
                                                                        118363, x_orolan, Oct 20, 2003 03:41 PM [Re: Moral ...]
                                                                              118370, x_marta, Oct 21, 2003 09:10 AM [Re: Mora...]

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