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Thread (Discussion): Kanin's study vindicated

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Message 118181 (In Reply to Message 117971)
I'm such an idiot!

Posted by x_marta on Oct 13, 2003 07:28 PM | Also by x_marta

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I completely forgot who I'm talking to. You call yourself a proud pedosexual, but it is clear to me now that you have a HUGE persecution complex. You want to believe that false accusations of rape are high because it fits in nicely with your belief that there are all these big, bad people out there who would hurt you if they could. If you were forced to realize that people aren't half as bad as you make them out to be, you'd have to accept more of their judgment as valid (even if it's in opposition to yours). This you can not do because to do so would be to accept that, as a pedophile, you are a bad person.

How sad.

And to think, here you are insulting a person who has already said that she does not think people should be persecuted for their thoughts/attractions, who has communicated a willingness to think of practical compromises between parents and pedophiles, and who (as it relates to this topic) has agreed that a lot of things that are called rape today are not, in fact, rape.

Do you know you're your own worst enemy? You should stop representing pedophiles. You're not doing them any good.

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Message 117971
Kanin's study vindicated

Posted by x_HPierce on Oct 09, 2003 04:22 PM | Also by x_HPierce

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First of all thanks to Steve for emailing me the Kanin study.  I  believe marta obtained the information and sent it to Steve.  If that is the case then thanks to marta as well.

Marta authored a thread not too long ago that attempted to expose Mr. Kanin’s study as a sham.  I had only seen three abstracts from the study  but felt three separate yet agreeing accounts of Mr. Kanin’s study did not appear to be a sham.

Armed with the study I’ll now go back and address marta’s issues with the study.

Marta says:

>>>>
Mr. Eugene Kanin, professor at Purdue University, can officially be discarded as evidence supporting a 41% false rape allegation frequency, not only because his sample size is miniscule…..>>>>

Lets discuss the miniscule sample issue.  His study was from a midwest town (pop. 70,000),  that had an excellent methodology of handling crimes.  In fact the police agency forbids police officers in using their discretion in deciding whether to officially acknowledge a rape complaint, regardless how suspect that complaint might be.  Marta’s statement is not accurate.  Mr. Kanin’s study was over a NINE YEAR PERIOD.  I too would question a single town had it been conducted over a single year.  After all, you can find spikes in any city (high or low) that could make a case either way.   That was not the case in this study.  The AVERAGE over the 9 year period was 41% of all rape allegations were false.  The next year Mr. Kanin gained access to two midwestern universities.   The findings were from  the prior THREE years (not a single year).  He found that almost half (50%) of all rape claims from these two universities over the past three years were false allegations.  So no, the sampling wasn’t miniscule.  In fact it was broad (spanning almost a decade) and included three separate locations.  I would have preferred to see studies included outside the midwest but that only implies that midwesterners lie more than east coast or west coast people.

Marta’s other objection is that half the rape claims weren’t valid.
Marta says:
>>>
…, but because only half of the women in his study who fabricated a rape actually pointed the finger at a specific person (last sentence, 6th paragraph of the 'Findings' section in the study). Now last time I checked, there has to be a person at the end of the allegation finger for anyone to actually stand accused, much less suffer the horrible fate of men accused of rape.
>>>

Marta is under the false assumption that if a woman doesn’t point a finger at someone, it isn’t a false rape allegation.  That maybe her OPINION but in reality any rape report filed with a police department is considered a false rape allegation if it is found to be false.  That’s all.  This study was based solely on FALSE RAPE ALLEGATIONS.

Lets look at that 6th paragraph in Mr. Kanin’s findings.

It says:
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Of the 45 cases of false charges, over one-half (56%, n=27) served the complaint’s need to provide a plausible explanation for some suddenly foreseen, unfortunate, consequence of a consensual encounter, usually sexual, with a male acquaintance.    An assailant is identified in approximately one half of these cases.
>>>

The finding in the above  was one of Mr. Kanin’s explanations  as to why women file false rape reports  (alibi function)

So marta’s percentage only illustrates that half the women who admitted filing a false rape report actually identified an attacker to provide an alibi.

What marta didn’t share was that all the above false rape allegations were declared false only because the complainant admitted they were false (page 2, third paragraph).

This isn’t a study about false rape claims proved false in court.  This study deals exclusively with FALSE RAPE ALLEGATIONS: The intentional reporting of a forcible rape by an alleged victim when no rape had occurred (page 1, Introduction, first paragraph).

I suspected that the three abstracts I had read could not have left out a significant piece of information that would nullify its validity.  I was right.  Marta’s evaluation of  Kanin’s study was erroneous.

Since his findings are valid, methodology sound and unbiased, I will be correct in stating that FALSE RAPE ALLEGATIONS ARE FREQUENT in any future post.

H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)

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117971, x_HPierce, Oct 09, 2003 04:22 PM [Kanin's study vindicated]
      118011, x_Rachel, Oct 10, 2003 04:17 AM [Take a closer look]
            118051, x_HPierce, Oct 10, 2003 05:54 PM [Not at all Rachel]
                  118123, x_Rachel, Oct 13, 2003 07:53 AM [Try a little humble pie H.P.]
      118025, x_marta, Oct 10, 2003 12:06 PM [Kanin disagrees with you!]
            118050, x_HPierce, Oct 10, 2003 05:50 PM [wrong again marta]
                  118146, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 11:00 AM [Re: wrong again marta]
      118044, x_marta, Oct 10, 2003 04:26 PM [Oh, and by the way. . .]
            118132, x_HPierce, Oct 13, 2003 09:28 AM [Knock it off.. you lost!!]
                  118163, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 04:33 PM [Re: Knock it off.. you lost!!]
      118181, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 07:28 PM [I'm such an idiot!]

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I'm such an idiot!

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Kanin's study vindicated