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Thread (Discussion): SO Registries - Re: Answer is easy
Message 117857
SO Registries
Posted by x_DP1
on Oct 08, 2003 08:51 PM | Also by x_DP1
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We had a situation at work the other day which I'd like to share with everyone because I just know how you guys love the registries.
We just found out that one of the sex offenders on probation (not my caseload thank God) was dating a woman with two children ages 11 and 7. Come to find out after we searched and investigated we learned that he was molesting both children. He was promptly taken to jail and charged with a few sexual batteries, of course. But, my concern is that the girlfriend denied that she had knowledge that he was a sex offender. Now how is that possible in today's day and age....how can a women with small children not know that her boyfriend is on the internet registered as a sex offender? Are mothers that irresponsible?
I guess what I am thinking is that we go to great lengths to provide the information that people say they want and need and then they don't bother to check. Personally, I'd love to lock her up too but there's no statute for utter stupidity. The whole reason we have the registry is because of similar cases like that.
One of the most famous cases in Florida they cited when arguing for the registry was the Willie Crane case. Good ole Willie did his probation and sex offender treatment and terminated successfully. Then one night in a bar he met a pretty lady. She took Willie home to discuss politics in her bedroom while her 7 year old daughter slept in the room next door. When the lady woke up her daughter was gone and so was Willie. They eventually tied Willie to the murder of the little girl and put him in prison. The saddest thing was while the search was on for this little girl I remember the mother and her ex-husband (victim's father) crying on tv night after night. The lady kept saying that she never knew he was a sex offender. It was one of the saddest cases I had seen in quite some time. Everyone really believed that had she known he was a sex offender she never would have invited him into her home that night. I guess we'll never know.
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Message 117870 (In Reply to Message 117857)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_orolan
on Oct 08, 2003 10:43 PM | Also by x_orolan
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Tragic. But it just goes to show that the registry is virtually worthless. What's the point if people don't use it? And nobody said the "people" wanted it. The politicians "wanted" it.
How do you suppose the registry would fare in one of those statewide "Constitutional Initiatives" they have there in Florida? Especially with the new rules about providing true cost vs benefit analysis, etc.
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Message 117872 (In Reply to Message 117857)
Sad truth about the registry
Posted by x_Silverthorne
on Oct 08, 2003 10:47 PM | Also by x_Silverthorne
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DP1,
A sad post but very true. The registry is only good if people use it. But I'd say something else about it as well.
Parents who use the registry are also the type that have probably already talked to their kids about sexual abuse anyway (I would think). They're the ones who are RESPONSIBLE.
It's kind of like this. There are only a couple "types" of parents in my view.
TYPE A - Actually give a darn about their kids. Prepare them for the worse. Talk with them on a regular basis and let the kids know they can talk to them about anything. Instil the kids with self confidence and positive motivation.
TYPE B - Kids, what kids? That about sums up these parents. Sadly this seems to be the majority nowadays. Parents have kids but dont really have a clue.
Silverthorne
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Message 117880 (In Reply to Message 117857)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_Casey
on Oct 08, 2003 11:23 PM | Also by x_Casey
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Regardless, it's always possible he would never have reoffended. Or she could have picked up a "first-timer." Pointing to one case and saying "LOOK! what they do!," is causing more problems then it's solving.
And your right the information is there, but hardly anyone uses it. But I am sure FL is covering it's butt more than anything anyhow. Just about all states have this type of information handy including mine, yet...
I say don't be irresponsible. You don't just bring someone home from the bar. I blame her more than the guy. She had a kid.
Peace,
Casey
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Message 117884 (In Reply to Message 117857)
Answer is easy
Posted by x_HPierce
on Oct 08, 2003 11:36 PM | Also by x_HPierce
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DP1 asks:
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..But, my concern is that the girlfriend denied that she had knowledge that he was a sex offender. Now how is that possible in today's day and age....how can a women with small children not know that her boyfriend is on the internet registered as a sex offender? Are mothers that irresponsible?
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No, mothers are not that irresponsible because looking at or not looking at a sex offender register doesn't qualify responsible behavior. If a woman looked at the register and saw that man '1' was an offender and kept her children from him, you'd think that made her responsible? However, that same woman does nothing to prepare her children for dealing with someone that may want to molest them. Since man '2' next door isn't on the register, she lets her daughter go play with their kid. Next day she finds out that her daughter was molested by man '2'. I find that irresponsible (placing false security in a register).
Most people don't ever use the register. Most don't care about the register. Most are too lazy to look it up even if they suspected the person they were dating was an offender. Some people are just attracted to 'wild' men or women. It is what makes us all unique.
H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)
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Message 117885 (In Reply to Message 117857)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_DoTheCrimeDoTh
on Oct 08, 2003 11:39 PM | Also by x_DoTheCrimeDoTh
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Don't forget DP1, Willie and his wonka was early termed from probation from liberal judge, on prior sex offense.
And, the mother met Willie and his wonka in a bar and discussed her daughter and she took him home.
Not saying what Willie did was right, but mother should have been prosecuted for neglect as well and wasn't - Oh that was because to this date, they haven't found her body. They are still searching the crab traps in the bay to this day in hopes of evidence.
And what about the guy from california-Singleary, that cutt off the arms of his victim and left her on a hillside for dead? He killed his girlfriend ( a known prostitute)-think he cut her head off. That was before the registry as well.
Welcome to Florida, a petri dish for SO from all over the world.
DTCDTT
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Message 117894 (In Reply to Message 117857)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_simon
on Oct 09, 2003 12:03 AM | Also by x_simon
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It's seems that the "pretty lady" would had to either 1) memorized the picture and other information for everyone on the registry that lived anywhere in her area so that she would recognise them and not take them home from the bar, or 2) get personal information from everyone she meets so that she can check the registry before offering to take them home.
Are either of these scenerios feasible? Is there a reasonable way to use the registry in a "bar pick-up" scenerio that I'm missing?
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Message 117900 (In Reply to Message 117884)
Re: Answer is easy
Posted by x_anti
on Oct 09, 2003 12:32 AM | Also by x_anti
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hp not true, ohh my soo many ppl use the registry, so many.
look how many ppl have posted here re it, and I get e mails all the time from ppl re it.
anti
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Message 117907 (In Reply to Message 117884)
Re: Answer is easy
Posted by x_DP1
on Oct 09, 2003 01:15 AM | Also by x_DP1
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If she was a responsible parent she would have done one of two things. 1) Not date a sex offender because she had kids
or 2) dated the sex offender but never let him be alone with the kids....you know protect the children? Why on earth would anyone let their kids be alone with a sex offender is beyond the scope of my comprehension. The lady's kids were so young and helpless. At some point I think the state should press charges on her. She's the one with the responsibility to protect her children.
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Message 117910 (In Reply to Message 117885)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_DP1
on Oct 09, 2003 01:43 AM | Also by x_DP1
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Ah DTCDTT,
That was Lawrence Singleton the famous slicer and dicer pervert from California that killed that prostitute. Were you working with me when I had his neice? The female cop that was doing drugs and having sex with the teenage boys down the block. Mrs. Robinson? Remember the boyfriend cop of her's who wanted to stop her from having sex with the boys so he staged a break in at her house while she was doing time at the Betty Ford Center in South Florida. When he reported the break in he blamed it on the boys hoping that he could frame them and get them locked up. They turned on him and told the investigator that they were getting high with his police girlfriend and screwing her. Oh, that went over big! After I got her I checked out her family history and found out Uncle Larry was the slicer and dicer...too funny when the Judge found out because they went easy on her initially because she was female. Well, I slammed her and the Judge slapped it to her and we got all the typical sex offender conditions that men get....I think that was one of our first female sex offender cases if I remember correctly. The most memorable thing about that case was that she blamed her behavior on alcohol stating that all of her family members were alcoholics. I asked her what type of beer Uncle Larry drank 'cause I sure didn't want to drink whatever beer causes you chop arms off after molesting a teenager. I'll have Near Beer thank you very much.
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Message 117912 (In Reply to Message 117857)
Re: Answer is easy
Posted by x_PVulcan
on Oct 09, 2003 03:23 AM | Also by x_PVulcan
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DTCDTT
A side note: I was in contact with Larry Singleton's victim last week,the one who's arms he cut off. She is now an artist in the pacific northwest and donated one of her pieces to a fundraiser we did recently. She is doing well now.
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Message 117914 (In Reply to Message 117894)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_Lildrafire
on Oct 09, 2003 03:41 AM | Also by x_Lildrafire
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Best thing would have been not to expose her child to a stranger that she picked up in a bar. Isn't that what motel rooms are for? I guess kids get used to mommy being a slut.
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Message 117923 (In Reply to Message 117894)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_DP1
on Oct 09, 2003 07:54 AM | Also by x_DP1
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If she was responsible she would have done her homework first....got his name and number first so she could do her homework before inviting him into her home. One night stands are risky business no matter which way you look at it....
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Message 117925 (In Reply to Message 117885)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_Steve
on Oct 09, 2003 08:33 AM | Also by x_Steve
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Do The Crime Do The Time wrote:
> And what about the guy from california-Singleary, that cutt
> off the arms of his victim and left her on a hillside for
> dead? He killed his girlfriend ( a known prostitute)-think
> he cut her head off. That was before the registry as well.
Are you talking about the man convicted of attacking the teenager Mary Vincent in the late 1970s while she was hitchhiking? Her story is amazing and courageous - pretended she was dead, then carried her severed arms for a couple of miles before being picked up naked by some travelers. I didn't know that the attacker also killed and decapitated someone else.
BTW, one of the investigative TV programs had an update on her recently. I think she's an artist now, using her mouth to handle the drawing instrument.
-Steve, SexCriminals.com
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Message 117928 (In Reply to Message 117925)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_DP1
on Oct 09, 2003 09:15 AM | Also by x_DP1
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Yes. I remember when Larry finished his sentence in California and moved to Florida.....the public was outraged but nothing anyone could do because he was a free man. After that he got a DUI and I think a little jail time that's all. Then his neice who was a city cop got busted and I got her at that point. After the neice got off probation Larry killed the prostitute in Tampa. I'll tell ya, the family is a trip...how they blamed Larry for being a pervert but tried to protect the neice (it's a female thing). I am glad Larry's victim is doing very well. Thanks for the info.
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Message 117929 (In Reply to Message 117885)
No More Early Terms
Posted by x_DP1
on Oct 09, 2003 09:21 AM | Also by x_DP1
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Yes. And all th Sex Offenders in the nation could thank Willie for their Probation Officer not recommending eary terms from probation no matter how good the case is. Because the Judge early termed Willie she got a lot of flack from the media. The community was outraged that someone as dangerous as Willie could be set free early. They really scrutinized how we all did business and basically told us to never recommend early term.
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Message 117941 (In Reply to Message 117907)
Re: Answer is easy
Posted by x_orolan
on Oct 09, 2003 11:12 AM | Also by x_orolan
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DP1,
What about child endangerment?
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Message 117942 (In Reply to Message 117925)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_orolan
on Oct 09, 2003 11:17 AM | Also by x_orolan
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"carried her severed arms"
Now THAT had to be quite a feat!
Jokes aside, she was quite a gal. And still is. She is an inspiration to many who think they have it rough, until they read or hear her story. Then their problems seem to be rather insignificant.
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Message 117944 (In Reply to Message 117894)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_orolan
on Oct 09, 2003 11:25 AM | Also by x_orolan
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"Is there a reasonable way to use the registry in a "bar pick-up" scenerio that I'm missing?"
Sure. It's called, "I'll call you tomorrow and maybe we can get together for dinner".
Or the direct approach always works, "I have a child at home. We'll have to go to your place or a hotel."
No "overnight" babysitter? Then it's back to "I'll call you".
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Message 117945 (In Reply to Message 117942)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_Steve
on Oct 09, 2003 11:37 AM | Also by x_Steve
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orolan wrote:
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> "carried her severed arms"
> Now THAT had to be quite a feat!
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> Jokes aside, she was quite a gal. And still is. She is an
> inspiration to many who think they have it rough, until they
> read or hear her story. Then their problems seem to be rather
> insignificant.
It's remarkable that she not only survived, but remained awake and had the strength to walk naked carrying her severed arms. I'm not sure if this is the best account of the incident, but here's an article about Larry Singleton which discusses the incident and a later incident after his release which I was unaware of. Note that the article is somewhat graphic since the things he did were violent and disturbing.
http://www.salon.com/march97/news/news970305.html
-Steve, SexCriminals.com
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Message 117948 (In Reply to Message 117907)
Question for DP1
Posted by x_Silverthorne
on Oct 09, 2003 12:14 PM | Also by x_Silverthorne
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DP1,
In your experience how many parents of abuse victims actually looked at the registry?
Silverthorne
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Message 117952 (In Reply to Message 117857)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_JOHN
on Oct 09, 2003 12:47 PM | Also by x_JOHN
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i'm very sad for the little girls, it just goes to show how ineffective the registries really are. In some cases, the mother's instincts tells her something could be up, but they are ignored because she is "in love" with her bf...just some cases, i'm not saying this was the case here. I AM saying that things like this could be prevented in ways other than the registry, the registry is a waste of tax dollars that could have been spent on better, more solid, defense methods against true sex criminals.
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Message 117953 (In Reply to Message 117880)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_JOHN
on Oct 09, 2003 12:49 PM | Also by x_JOHN
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right casey, she had a kid...my point exactly.
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Message 117954 (In Reply to Message 117925)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_JOHN
on Oct 09, 2003 12:53 PM | Also by x_JOHN
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in a case like that, i'm sure being a sex offender is the least of this guy's problems....sounds like a total psycho. Molesting is one thing, killing is another.
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Message 117966 (In Reply to Message 117945)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_orolan
on Oct 09, 2003 02:40 PM | Also by x_orolan
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I noted in the Salon article that Singleton attempted suicide less than two weeks before the Florida murder. I guess he "knew" he was going to do something bad again, and wanted to prevent it?
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Message 117975 (In Reply to Message 117857)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_darlene
on Oct 09, 2003 05:07 PM | Also by x_darlene
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money may be the reason..
i can only access the computer at the library because i have no money.. and usually no phone... i was an idiot and ran out of energy and money my junior year of college and my job doesn't cover anything more then rent and food if i am lucky...of course if i was willing to move in with a guy then i could make it so ...sin or hungry? typical guy sh** or self esteem, pride? decisions us poor moms make everyday.... and we're ill informed and irresponsible to boot.
nice comeing from a MSW....heartening , all those tears and sweat...don't mean sh** because people still have no idea....
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Message 117976 (In Reply to Message 117900)
Maybe people you know
Posted by x_HPierce
on Oct 09, 2003 05:31 PM | Also by x_HPierce
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No anti, I don't believe many look at the register. Using Virginia's statistics from the web and from checking with Steve's figures it comes out to probably less than 10% of the population looks at the register. There isn't any way to know how many are looking because the are curious or really seeking information.
H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)
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Message 117977 (In Reply to Message 117907)
no
Posted by x_HPierce
on Oct 09, 2003 05:38 PM | Also by x_HPierce
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DP1 says:
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If she was a responsible parent she would have done one of two things. 1) Not date a sex offender because she had kids
or 2) dated the sex offender but never let him be alone with the kids
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I don't think either are absolutes. What if the sex offender only liked boys, would you leave your daughter alone with him/her?
What if his only crime was looking at child porn? He never molested anyone...just looked at pictures that some (including the law) find inappropriate. Doesn't mean he would molest anyone.
You have to show the same precaution towards everyone yet give everyone a chance to redeem themselves as well.
H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)
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Message 117982 (In Reply to Message 117945)
Victim Of Singleton
Posted by x_DoTheCrimeDoTh
on Oct 09, 2003 08:55 PM | Also by x_DoTheCrimeDoTh
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I saw her on a talk show some time ago, after Singlton's death, and she is truly someone to admire.
Odd thing, most only remember the name of the perp, not the victim who struggles day to day in many ways we will never know or understand.
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Message 117986 (In Reply to Message 117945)
Singleton's Final Chapter
Posted by x_DP1
on Oct 09, 2003 09:53 PM | Also by x_DP1
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http://www.dc.state.fl.us/InmateReleases/detail.asp?Bookmark=2&From=list&SessionID=506407580
He got the death sentence in Florida for murdering the prostitute but died of natural causes in December 2001. A great ending to a real life horror story. I posted his inmate info off the FL DOC Website if anyone wants to gross themselves out by looking at him.
Great article Steve. Thanks.
DP1
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Message 117990 (In Reply to Message 117894)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_losttime
on Oct 09, 2003 11:54 PM | Also by x_losttime
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One issue that REALLY, REALLY needs to be addressed here is that they were in a bar. All the advanced preperation and such quickly dissolves in alcahol. Even so-called "responsible" drinkers have lower inhibitions and altered levels of judgement when they are imbibing.
Has anyone else had the skit from "Amazon women on the moon" with Billy Crystal showing up for a date with Roseanna Arquette and having to slide photo ID and credit cards under the door whereby she then does a credit check, background check, etc. before letting him in?
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Message 117991 (In Reply to Message 117894)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_losttime
on Oct 09, 2003 11:54 PM | Also by x_losttime
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One issue that REALLY, REALLY needs to be addressed here is that they were in a bar. All the advanced preperation and such quickly dissolves in alcahol. Even so-called "responsible" drinkers have lower inhibitions and altered levels of judgement when they are imbibing.
Has anyone else had the skit from "Amazon women on the moon" with Billy Crystal showing up for a date with Roseanna Arquette and having to slide photo ID and credit cards under the door whereby she then does a credit check, background check, etc. before letting him in?
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Message 118009 (In Reply to Message 117976)
How many ppl in Virginia ?
Posted by x_Rachel
on Oct 10, 2003 03:45 AM | Also by x_Rachel
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10% of Virginia ?
How many people does that equate to ?
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Message 118010 (In Reply to Message 117948)
Re: Question for DP1
Posted by x_DP1
on Oct 10, 2003 03:47 AM | Also by x_DP1
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Silver,
I really can't answer that one. I never asked victim's parents if they looked at the registry so I can not say with certainty what the numbers would be. I do talk to a lot of people in general who do use the registry a lot so I disagree with the overall opinion of most on this site that believe it's hardly used. It's not 100% but it sure is more than 10% as some people might suggest. I come in contact with employers, landlords, victims and families, daycares, schools, offenders and families, etc.... all these folks use the registry. There must be a few out there that have never used the registry but it can't possibly be the majority of the population.
DP1
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Message 118018 (In Reply to Message 117857)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_anti
on Oct 10, 2003 10:15 AM | Also by x_anti
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dp1 I as a good parent fully agree with you, but as a leo, we both, well.........
would I am sure search for a so alot faster on it if we were dating someone, I feel, all ppl need to, even if it is a male, with children, he needs to look, as we know there are alot less female pedos, and so, but they still are here, and yes as moms, parents, we really need to.
the other problem, that i find alot of ppl have, is that they will have a bad feeling of someone, look for him on the registry, and he is not there, yet a so.
this happens alot due to ppl not registering when they should, or moving, etc.
also, all the so that are not caught yet.
look how very many pedos, so, child molesters, keep abusing children, until caught.
some go for a long time.
anti
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Message 118019 (In Reply to Message 117976)
Re: Maybe people you know
Posted by x_anti
on Oct 10, 2003 10:19 AM | Also by x_anti
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hp you speak of steve, so obviously you mean his knowledge of his own site, the so registry here, correct?
as NO offense to steve ehre at all, but not all ppl come here to see that, I actually find in my daily dealings, that ppl will go to the register, them self, look it up, in their state, etc, so the percent you speak of here, from steve, is how many come here, correct? do you have any ststs on how many ppl in general go to all others, on their own, not through this site?
anti
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Message 118020 (In Reply to Message 117880)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_anti
on Oct 10, 2003 10:20 AM | Also by x_anti
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I blame her only for not being a better parent, more then the male?? NO, why? he was the one who molested her children!!!!!
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Message 118021 (In Reply to Message 117907)
Re: Answer is easy
Posted by x_anti
on Oct 10, 2003 10:23 AM | Also by x_anti
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dp, how old were her children again?
and are you sure she did not know he was?
is there more to this story?
I mean in all actuality, how many moms, w/out thinking, meet a nice man, date him, and look him up on a so reg??
I would in a heart beat, and alot more, but I am saying alot dont, alot still have the notion al so, pedos, etc, have a look of them, you know, yrs ago, ppl felt it was the bum of a man, in the long blk trench coat who your children had to fear.
anti
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Message 118022 (In Reply to Message 117986)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_DoTheCrimeDoTh
on Oct 10, 2003 11:05 AM | Also by x_DoTheCrimeDoTh
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Maybe computers in internet access to SO registry sites should be placed in bars......
DTCDTT
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Message 118028 (In Reply to Message 117857)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_Katie
on Oct 10, 2003 12:25 PM | Also by x_Katie
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Maybe I am really weird or something but why on earth would you take home a guy from a 'bar' you just meet? What happened to getting to know person first? Specially if you have children. Is common sense gone in todays social circle.
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Message 118029 (In Reply to Message 117977)
Re: no
Posted by x_Katie
on Oct 10, 2003 12:33 PM | Also by x_Katie
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And what about the teen/teen offence. Would that be a reason to not ever date or be around the person later in his/her life?
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Message 118030 (In Reply to Message 117991)
card him
Posted by x_Katie
on Oct 10, 2003 12:49 PM | Also by x_Katie
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In this day and age I might if I had to go thru the dating thing again. Also I would take more time to get to know the guy. I have been married 20 years things have changed for the worse in that time.
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Message 118031 (In Reply to Message 117975)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_Katie
on Oct 10, 2003 01:00 PM | Also by x_Katie
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"my job doesn't cover anything more then rent and food if i am lucky...of course if i was willing to move in with a guy then i could make it so ...sin or hungry? typical guy sh** or self esteem, pride? decisions us poor moms make everyday.... and we're ill informed and irresponsible to boot."
Don't compromise yourself. Hang in there. There must be some other women in the same boat as you. It is hard to make ends meet with expenses for everthing so high.
I understand where you are coming from. My daughter lives with 6 people in a 3 bedroom house. They can only find part time jobs. So to make ends meet they have to stuff the house with people. And some do gooders have called her bad names because there are guys in the house, they all keep to themselves!!! Stupid people!
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Message 118064 (In Reply to Message 118029)
Exactly
Posted by x_HPierce
on Oct 10, 2003 07:50 PM | Also by x_HPierce
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The problem is people are used to letting everyone do their thinking for them. They have lost the knack for common sense. I wouldn't be nearly as worried about a pedophile that only liked boys watching my underaged daughter as I would a person that uses 'recreational drugs' watching my daughter.
The other problem is no one wants to forgive or give second chances (unless it it them of course).
H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)
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Message 118065 (In Reply to Message 118019)
yeah but..
Posted by x_HPierce
on Oct 10, 2003 07:56 PM | Also by x_HPierce
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No not just his site.. the VA register keeps a tally of visitors. Now that in itself doesn't mean people actually look. They could have surfed there by mistake. Neither does it imply that those looking are only from the state of VA. It only gives a tally. But that tally applied against the pop of VA came out well under 10%.
Rachel asked what the population of VA is.. she can find that from the census for the state of VA. It isn't up to date but few things from the government are :-)
H. Pierce
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Message 118068 (In Reply to Message 117880)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_DP1
on Oct 10, 2003 09:04 PM | Also by x_DP1
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Casey says:
"I say don't be irresponsible. You don't just bring someone home from the bar. I blame her more than the guy. She had a kid."
Sorry...that's going a little too far...don't ya think?
DP1
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Message 118069 (In Reply to Message 118021)
Re: Answer is easy
Posted by x_DP1
on Oct 10, 2003 09:16 PM | Also by x_DP1
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Anti,
The children were 11 and 7. No...we don't believe that she didn't know that he was a sex offender...that's just what she said. It's common knowledge that we have so registries and it would be hard to prove that she didn't know to check the registry. It's pretty obvious that registries are looked at and are popular since the registered so's spend so much time complaining about it. If only 10% of the population looked at it then what would the stink be? It's a no brainer. There's a lot more to the story as it will be unfolding when he (and maybe she) go to Court.
How are you feeling? Hope all is ok.
DP1
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Message 118084 (In Reply to Message 118031)
Re: SO Registries
Posted by x_darlene
on Oct 11, 2003 02:24 PM | Also by x_darlene
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thanks for the encouragement
i have heard that if you don't mind hard work and don't maind rural life that homesteading is back in nebraska to repopulate the state you have to farm for five years there and then the land is yours. which if nothing else gives you collateral to start a business or whatever but it might be better for the 20 somethings then Pt work. i thought about getting a bunch of single moms togeather and making a commune attempt 70s style at homesteading ... after the 5 years you could divide the land and build or sell. just a thought good luck for your daughter
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Message 118209 (In Reply to Message 118069)
Re: Answer is easy
Posted by x_anti
on Oct 14, 2003 02:52 AM | Also by x_anti
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ty, not feeling well, and very busy, hard now with all my medical problems, I ty for asking, really, have tryed to im you, tell the better half there I said hi too.
peace, me
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117857, x_DP1, Oct 08, 2003 08:51 PM [SO Registries]
117870, x_orolan, Oct 08, 2003 10:43 PM [Re: SO Registries]
117872, x_Silverthorne, Oct 08, 2003 10:47 PM [Sad truth about the registry]
117880, x_Casey, Oct 08, 2003 11:23 PM [Re: SO Registries]
117953, x_JOHN, Oct 09, 2003 12:49 PM [Re: SO Registries]
118020, x_anti, Oct 10, 2003 10:20 AM [Re: SO Registries]
118068, x_DP1, Oct 10, 2003 09:04 PM [Re: SO Registries]
117884, x_HPierce, Oct 08, 2003 11:36 PM [Answer is easy]
117900, x_anti, Oct 09, 2003 12:32 AM [Re: Answer is easy]
117976, x_HPierce, Oct 09, 2003 05:31 PM [Maybe people you know]
118009, x_Rachel, Oct 10, 2003 03:45 AM [How many ppl in Virginia ?]
118019, x_anti, Oct 10, 2003 10:19 AM [Re: Maybe people you know]
118065, x_HPierce, Oct 10, 2003 07:56 PM [yeah but..]
117907, x_DP1, Oct 09, 2003 01:15 AM [Re: Answer is easy]
117941, x_orolan, Oct 09, 2003 11:12 AM [Re: Answer is easy]
117948, x_Silverthorne, Oct 09, 2003 12:14 PM [Question for DP1]
118010, x_DP1, Oct 10, 2003 03:47 AM [Re: Question for DP1]
117977, x_HPierce, Oct 09, 2003 05:38 PM [no]
118029, x_Katie, Oct 10, 2003 12:33 PM [Re: no]
118064, x_HPierce, Oct 10, 2003 07:50 PM [Exactly]
118021, x_anti, Oct 10, 2003 10:23 AM [Re: Answer is easy]
118069, x_DP1, Oct 10, 2003 09:16 PM [Re: Answer is easy]
118209, x_anti, Oct 14, 2003 02:52 AM [Re: Answer is easy]
117885, x_DoTheCrimeDoTh, Oct 08, 2003 11:39 PM [Re: SO Registries]
117910, x_DP1, Oct 09, 2003 01:43 AM [Re: SO Registries]
117925, x_Steve, Oct 09, 2003 08:33 AM [Re: SO Registries]
117928, x_DP1, Oct 09, 2003 09:15 AM [Re: SO Registries]
117942, x_orolan, Oct 09, 2003 11:17 AM [Re: SO Registries]
117945, x_Steve, Oct 09, 2003 11:37 AM [Re: SO Registries]
117966, x_orolan, Oct 09, 2003 02:40 PM [Re: SO Registries]
117982, x_DoTheCrimeDoTh, Oct 09, 2003 08:55 PM [Victim Of Singleton]
117986, x_DP1, Oct 09, 2003 09:53 PM [Singleton's Final Chapter]
118022, x_DoTheCrimeDoTh, Oct 10, 2003 11:05 AM [Re: SO Registries]
117954, x_JOHN, Oct 09, 2003 12:53 PM [Re: SO Registries]
117929, x_DP1, Oct 09, 2003 09:21 AM [No More Early Terms]
117894, x_simon, Oct 09, 2003 12:03 AM [Re: SO Registries]
117914, x_Lildrafire, Oct 09, 2003 03:41 AM [Re: SO Registries]
117923, x_DP1, Oct 09, 2003 07:54 AM [Re: SO Registries]
117944, x_orolan, Oct 09, 2003 11:25 AM [Re: SO Registries]
117990, x_losttime, Oct 09, 2003 11:54 PM [Re: SO Registries]
117991, x_losttime, Oct 09, 2003 11:54 PM [Re: SO Registries]
118030, x_Katie, Oct 10, 2003 12:49 PM [card him]
117912, x_PVulcan, Oct 09, 2003 03:23 AM [Re: Answer is easy]
117952, x_JOHN, Oct 09, 2003 12:47 PM [Re: SO Registries]
117975, x_darlene, Oct 09, 2003 05:07 PM [Re: SO Registries]
118031, x_Katie, Oct 10, 2003 01:00 PM [Re: SO Registries]
118084, x_darlene, Oct 11, 2003 02:24 PM [Re: SO Registries]
118018, x_anti, Oct 10, 2003 10:15 AM [Re: SO Registries]
118028, x_Katie, Oct 10, 2003 12:25 PM [Re: SO Registries]
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