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Thread (Discussion): men can be taken advantage of too - Re: false rapes are 41%
Message 117843
men can be taken advantage of too
Posted by x_william
on Oct 08, 2003 05:15 PM | Also by x_william
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my name is william, i am a 24 yearold male
I have never been sexually assualted but I did have a girl not to long ago accuse me of first rape and then sexual assualt. This was traumatic for me,
1. because we never slept together, so rape was defintly a shock
2. We were fooling around and I deciuded to end what was going on, I came to my sense and ralized I did not want to go through with what was going on
I left the room through the back door after she stepped out of the room.
Well we were renting 2 hotel rooms with a bunch of friends and i just wnet to the next room with everyone else. Next thing I know she is running around saying I tried t rape her, our clothes had never even come off and we did not get that far when i left
I found outlater her boyfriend was their and i suspect that her being rejected and him there finding out had something to do with it
the woman caused a huge ordeal at the hotel and I had to call the police to sort things out, i did not want anyone to tink i did what she said, but she ran off before i got there, but not beofre her boyfriend and his friends jumped me.
when i told the police they did nothing, they said it was my word against hers and that she was a girl. I offered to take a liar detector test but they seemd like they did not want to do any paperwork
this has affetced me emotionally and mentakky i do not trust women and i have started to reclude in my home instead of going out.
Some peopel that were there that night do not talk to me anymore, they believe her, so i have even lost friends over this.
my take from all this is that girls do lie, not just to get some rich man's money like people think. But to save their own face, or if they don't remember exactly what happened. I would just hope girls would know that it isn't a joke to say that somebody sexually assualted you, it ruins the guy's life if you are lieing.
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Message 117853 (In Reply to Message 117843)
Re: men can be taken advantage of too
Posted by x_Casey
on Oct 08, 2003 06:26 PM | Also by x_Casey
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True that.
Let me say those were not your friends. If they were they would not leave your side. A true friend will not leave you. I found that out myself.
I think to you should go out, get your mind off of it. Call up the people that are your true friends and hang out some. It will make you feel better to know you have some support.
Peace,
Casey
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Message 117856 (In Reply to Message 117843)
Re: men can be taken advantage of too
Posted by x_marta
on Oct 08, 2003 08:44 PM | Also by x_marta
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william wrote:
> my take from all this is that girls do lie,
Some girls lie, others do not. Just like men. Some men will rape you, others wouldn't dream of it. Any woman who hid in her house because she was afraid of a man raping her would be overreacting - the same as you are . . . except maybe not:
As the percentage of bona fide rapes (by any study discussed on this board) exceeds the number of false rape accusations by at least a factor of 3, the woman hiding out in her house because she's afraid of getting raped is MORE reasonable than the man who does the same for fear of false rape accusation.
Nothing but a bunch of HOOPLA. Now go out there and have some fun. Just stear the hell clear of that nasty b**ch that lied about you.
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Message 117859 (In Reply to Message 117853)
Re: men can be taken advantage of too
Posted by x_orolan
on Oct 08, 2003 09:02 PM | Also by x_orolan
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Casey speaks the truth. Any "friend" who does not believe you wasn't a "friend" at all, and you're better off without them. Get it out of your system. Forget the little tramp and move on.
But be prepared. Some people on this board claim that what you speak of doesn't happen.
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Message 117890 (In Reply to Message 117856)
nawwwww far too easy, marta
Posted by x_HPierce
on Oct 08, 2003 11:53 PM | Also by x_HPierce
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Show me the citation of actual rapes to false rapes is by a factor of three.
This is what I'm talking about when I say you show feminist bias. To you it is no big deal that a man's life is turned inside out, loses his friends, may loose his employment, is assumed guilty until proven innocent by our whacked out laws. To you it is just a case of be more careful next time.
A woman though can yell rape (rather it happened or not), hide behind a 'rape shield' laws so that her image isn't tarnished. That is bull.
H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)
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Message 117909 (In Reply to Message 117890)
Re: nawwwww far too easy, marta
Posted by x_marta
on Oct 09, 2003 01:39 AM | Also by x_marta
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H. Pierce wrote:
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> Show me the citation of actual rapes to false rapes is by a
> factor of three.
The studies YOU quoted put the frequency of false rape accusations at no higher than 22%. That means that 78% of the accusations are founded in fact. 22 x 3 < 78, no?
> This is what I'm talking about when I say you show feminist
> bias.
You're the one who's biased:
From my 10-03-03 19:04 post (I corrected some of my calculations - the result was a higher frequency of false rape accusations, mind you):
Based on the data I posted in my discussion on false rape accusations with H. Pierce(http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/02prelimannual.pdf), that totals
3780-13860 (6%-20% of the ~63,000 forcible rapes reported as per the FBI report) men (or 0.00302% - 0.0111% of the male population) in the U.S./year [falsely accused of rape] (assuming 125 million total male population). To put this in even better perspective, 0.0083% (20,492/250 million) of the U.S. Population died by way of/in passenger cars in the year 2000 (http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/stats.html). Assuming 1/2 of them were male (I realize this is rough), that means that you are 3 times as likely to die in a car accident than you are to be falsely accused of rape (at the 6% rate of false accusation). Even at the higher frequency of 22%, you're only slightly more likely (1.34:1 ratio) to be falsely accused of rape than you are to die in a/by way of a passenger car. Note: the car fatality figures do not include ALL deaths by motor vehicle accident, only those involving passenger cars.
I would never suggest that the cases of wrongful conviction due to false accusation are anything but travesties. But it is simply innaccurate to imply that it's something the average man has to worry about. Why don't I hear people making a mountain out of a mole-hill with regard to the dangers of getting into a car and driving? Why should false rape accusations be any different?
At the end of a fatal car accident, the victims are dead, no?
You should also note that Trying to Survive posted (with regard to his false rape accusations topic):
Date: 10-08-03 06:17
I first posted this thread when I had just got out of prison and was feeling a little less than objective. I have spoken to a few people and my lawyer and think that my experience may have been atypical.
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Message 117916 (In Reply to Message 117843)
Re: men can be taken advantage of too
Posted by x_Lildrafire
on Oct 09, 2003 03:47 AM | Also by x_Lildrafire
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Easy solution...don't play house with someone you aren't in a relationship with.
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Message 117918 (In Reply to Message 117843)
Re: nawwwww far too easy, marta
Posted by x_TryingtoSurviv
on Oct 09, 2003 04:19 AM | Also by x_TryingtoSurviv
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Absolutely !!!
I had a cuppla dykes do that to me and the Police did belive them and I got chucked in jail. I am on bail now looking down the barrel of some serious prison time if I cant get a jury to belive me ....
I was devastated just like you and bewildered. People's initial reaction is to be amazed that a woman would lie about being raped . Fact is they can and often do for all sorts of reasons. I dont know if it helps but you are definitely not Robinson Crusoe on this one. There are quite a few that post on this board in simialar predicaments.
There are those with feminist adgendas who will try to belittle or margianalise your experience - pay no attention to them.
If you are interested there are quite a few studies that show that false rape claims are very common. It madee me feel much better to find this out.
Chin Up Mate !!
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Message 117934 (In Reply to Message 117890)
Re: nawwwww far too easy, marta
Posted by x_Ashley
on Oct 09, 2003 09:46 AM | Also by x_Ashley
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H. Pierce wrote:
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> Show me the citation of actual rapes to false rapes is by a
> factor of three.
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> This is what I'm talking about when I say you show feminist
> bias. To you it is no big deal that a man's life is turned
> inside out, loses his friends, may loose his employment, is
> assumed guilty until proven innocent by our whacked out laws.
> To you it is just a case of be more careful next time.
>
> A woman though can yell rape (rather it happened or not),
> hide behind a 'rape shield' laws so that her image isn't
> tarnished. That is bull.
>
> H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)
Yes indeed men do get raped... but half the time people dont listen to the girls when they file it anyway. So you really don't have much of an argument dude. And half the time girls dont file. So.......how do you know? Statistics show that the majority of rape cases are women. I'm not defending anyone.. I'm just saying you really don't have much of an argument there. Yeah so he loses friends and his job, but hey I'm living proof that NO a man accused of rape DOESN'T always lose his job or his friends. And as far as be more careful, well hell NO means no. And sometimes a girl is too afraid to say no. living proof once again. Another thing, maybe guys and girls should perhaps be cautious and ask before having sex anyway... I don't know just a few thoughts. No hard feelings..
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Message 117935 (In Reply to Message 117843)
Re: men can be taken advantage of too
Posted by x_Ashley
on Oct 09, 2003 09:48 AM | Also by x_Ashley
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I'm sorry this happened to you, and I'm not trying to be mean.... but what about the girls that AREN'T lieing... and they aren't getting any justice out of it? Theres no reason for that. You guys know this.
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Message 117956 (In Reply to Message 117853)
Re: men can be taken advantage of too
Posted by x_JOHN
on Oct 09, 2003 12:57 PM | Also by x_JOHN
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i had something like this happen to me, messed me up bad. Seems the laws are more like weapons than they are laws. If you know how to use that weapon against someone..well. I agree, these laws protect nobody except the politicians writing them.
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Message 117961 (In Reply to Message 117843)
Re: men can be taken advantage of too
Posted by x_TryingtoSurviv
on Oct 09, 2003 01:31 PM | Also by x_TryingtoSurviv
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This sounds like bollocks ...
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Message 117978 (In Reply to Message 117909)
false rapes are 41%
Posted by x_HPierce
on Oct 09, 2003 05:46 PM | Also by x_HPierce
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Except you forget that false rape allegation (as in this case) are at at least 41% (Kanin study).
You are naive if you think that false rape isn't on men's mind when they date nowdays. They know in our PC society that all a woman has to do is shed a tear and point her finger and if it is a case of 'he said, she said', he will most likely loose.
No, I'm not biased just wished you weren't. Take the blinders off lady!
H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)
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Message 117979 (In Reply to Message 117934)
Wrong Ashley
Posted by x_HPierce
on Oct 09, 2003 05:51 PM | Also by x_HPierce
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Well this isn't an article about a man being raped it is about false rape allegations by a woman. Better read the article again, dude.
I didn't say everyone was ruined but you are extremely naive if you think that people don't judge people on what they were charged with. You know.. they will wonder .. was he innocent or did he just get off with a good lawyer?
H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)
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Message 118015 (In Reply to Message 117979)
pierce you're a dick
Posted by x_Ashley
on Oct 10, 2003 10:05 AM | Also by x_Ashley
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You're insensitive and don't even know what you're talking about. Where in my statement did I once say no one was going to judge them for what they did. OF COURSE THEY WILL. it's society. Do you really think people don't look at me like I'm some type of whore because I had this happened to me. Of course they do. WELCOME TO AMERICA. but as far as I'm concerned I came on here looking for a simple answer and all you could do was bash me all to hell and pretend that I was scum of the earth. God I would never wish something like this upon anyone but MAYBE, just MAYBE if you experienced half the @!#$ we have.. then you'll be a little more open to being a little less bashing people.
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Message 118026 (In Reply to Message 117978)
You wish
Posted by x_marta
on Oct 10, 2003 12:07 PM | Also by x_marta
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See my post in reply to your silly new topic.
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Message 118066 (In Reply to Message 118026)
You mean the one...
Posted by x_HPierce
on Oct 10, 2003 07:59 PM | Also by x_HPierce
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Yeah.. except I'm right and you are 100% wrong in both cases. Deal with it!!
H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)
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Message 118073 (In Reply to Message 117916)
Re: men can be taken advantage of too
Posted by x_anti
on Oct 11, 2003 01:29 AM | Also by x_anti
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does not matter, rape is rape.
anti
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Message 118096 (In Reply to Message 117935)
Re: men can be taken advantage of too
Posted by x_SurvivorForeve
on Oct 13, 2003 01:59 AM | Also by x_SurvivorForeve
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ashley wrote:
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> I'm sorry this happened to you, and I'm not trying to be
> mean.... but what about the girls that AREN'T lieing... and
> they aren't getting any justice out of it? Theres no reason
> for that. You guys know this.
Ashley -
I feel for you and your problem- BUT - take a step back -
Women & girls lie a lot more then you think.
Survivor
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Message 118097 (In Reply to Message 117978)
Re: false rapes are 41%
Posted by x_SurvivorForeve
on Oct 13, 2003 02:05 AM | Also by x_SurvivorForeve
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H. Pierce wrote:
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> Except you forget that false rape allegation (as in this
> case) are at at least 41% (Kanin study).
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HP -
I am with you on this one. It is a pitty people think they have to cry rape to get rid of their problems - IE: getting caught cheeting, Dating an older boy etc.
If women & men would take responsability for their actions, it would take a ton of dead weight off the already packed court system.
Survivor
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Message 118148 (In Reply to Message 118097)
Re: false rapes are 41%
Posted by x_marta
on Oct 13, 2003 11:01 AM | Also by x_marta
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Have you READ the study???? I didn't think so.
Who cares what you "think."
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117843, x_william, Oct 08, 2003 05:15 PM [men can be taken advantage of too]
117853, x_Casey, Oct 08, 2003 06:26 PM [Re: men can be taken advantage of too]
117859, x_orolan, Oct 08, 2003 09:02 PM [Re: men can be taken advantage of too]
117956, x_JOHN, Oct 09, 2003 12:57 PM [Re: men can be taken advantage of too]
117856, x_marta, Oct 08, 2003 08:44 PM [Re: men can be taken advantage of too]
117890, x_HPierce, Oct 08, 2003 11:53 PM [nawwwww far too easy, marta]
117909, x_marta, Oct 09, 2003 01:39 AM [Re: nawwwww far too easy, marta]
117978, x_HPierce, Oct 09, 2003 05:46 PM [false rapes are 41%]
118026, x_marta, Oct 10, 2003 12:07 PM [You wish]
118066, x_HPierce, Oct 10, 2003 07:59 PM [You mean the one...]
118097, x_SurvivorForeve, Oct 13, 2003 02:05 AM [Re: false rapes are 41%]
118148, x_marta, Oct 13, 2003 11:01 AM [Re: false rapes are 41%]
117934, x_Ashley, Oct 09, 2003 09:46 AM [Re: nawwwww far too easy, marta]
117979, x_HPierce, Oct 09, 2003 05:51 PM [Wrong Ashley]
118015, x_Ashley, Oct 10, 2003 10:05 AM [pierce you're a dick]
117916, x_Lildrafire, Oct 09, 2003 03:47 AM [Re: men can be taken advantage of too]
118073, x_anti, Oct 11, 2003 01:29 AM [Re: men can be taken advantage of too]
117918, x_TryingtoSurviv, Oct 09, 2003 04:19 AM [Re: nawwwww far too easy, marta]
117935, x_Ashley, Oct 09, 2003 09:48 AM [Re: men can be taken advantage of too]
118096, x_SurvivorForeve, Oct 13, 2003 01:59 AM [Re: men can be taken advantage of too]
117961, x_TryingtoSurviv, Oct 09, 2003 01:31 PM [Re: men can be taken advantage of too]
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