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Message 112034 (In Reply to Message 112020)
Not really, Casey

Posted by x_HPierce on Jun 30, 2003 11:18 PM | Also by x_HPierce

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Casey says:
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You still have sexual contact with a minor, and that is illegal and unmoral. I understand your state of mind, because I was there, but it is incorrect.
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It is illegal and it maybe immoral but one is a society law and the other is a religious/sociological view. Neither reflect 'what is good or bad', only what society wants as good and bad. Perhaps you remember from history, prohibition? Booze was illegal and immoral. What finally happened? People came to their senses and prohibition was struck down. Alcohol in itself isn’t immoral or illegal anymore. There is great damage a person can do if they drink too much or allow it to run their life, but responsible people know better. The same is true of adult/minor relationships. You can try to tell me they are illegal and immoral and I will tell you the laws need to change, as do the uneducated, immature attitudes towards it. I’ve seen numerous adult/minor relationships flourish with very positive endings. I’ve had many other relationships told to me by people I trust. They had no reason to embellish the story to paint a happy ending.

You were never where I am. I’ve never been in your state of mind. I have never committed a sexual offense. That is the big difference in our state of minds. Yes what you did was illegal. I don’t know your story so I won’t comment if it was correct or not.

Casey says:
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There is no such thing as a healthy "sexual" relationship with a minor.
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Hmm that’s odd, They were always healthy and happy for the last hundred thousand years or so until about 75 years ago. No, what is happened is SOCIETY WON’T ALLOW PEOPLE TO BELIEVE IN HEALTHY SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH A MINOR. It happens all around them, has since the beginning of man, but society believes anything that is told them loud enough and often enough. I know for a fact that there are healthy relationships with minors.

Casey says:
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But adults have sexual drives, children do not
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That is 100% incorrect. Children are sexual beings and everyone to some degree is sexual from birth. I’ve noticed a lot of 10 year old girls that have raging hormones. I could tell you about boys and girls that begin their sexual exploration at an even earlier age. I’m a father and I have raised children of my own so I too know quite a bit about children and watched them grow up. That being said, I’ve also mentioned that it should be child that decides when they are ready for sexual intimacy. Kids need to be kids as long as they desire. No one should be introducing sexual intimacy until it is the child that is doing the initiating and expresses a desire. Maybe that is another reason I don’t find girls younger than about 10 sexual. They usually aren’t ready or looking for sex before that age. Responsible pedosexuals understand this just as adults understand when the one they love isn’t ready yet. Most pedosexuals do not endorse making the child uncomfortable and allow the child to control the pace of the relationship. Again you confuse a molester who coerces, or persuades a child into doing what they want (selfish) compared to what RESPONSIBLE pedosexual would do. This should be obvious to you.

Casey says:
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Play the feild? It's more like boys are not gay and they want to have girlfriends. BY all means H, have friendships with these boys, god knows some of them desperately need it, but having sex with them is only gonna further confused there lifes.
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Huh? Number one I’m a girl lover. I’m not gay. Number two, boys want to get in girl’s pants and also have them be their girlfriends. Girls want sex but don’t want to come across as being easy but they want it just like the boys do. That is why there is so much teen sex. Sex in itself will never mess up a minor’s life if they wanted the sex and consented to it. It doesn’t mess them up when they have it with their teen boyfriends/girlfriends (we are all proof of that) and unless you have some scientific data that can show that while teens in sexual relationships with peers suffer no ill effects, those who engage with adults do because what? The age of the penis? Come on! I’ve already stated that in a consensual relationship, there IS NO DIFFERENCE IN THE POTENTIAL OUTCOME OF THE RELATIONSHIP REGARDLESS OF EITHER PARTNERS AGE. You know it, everyone knows it.. they just can’t accept it. Anything else doesn’t even make sense. I’ve seen numerous relationships with no messed up teens or children.

Casey says:
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And that is why you are having sex with kids H. Because you have that "days of our lives" sex scene in your head. As most humans do. LOVE is just there. Sex is reproduction. Seperated the two, you will be alot happier.
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Well no, I’ve never had sex with a child or perhaps you have forgot that. Sex is more that reproduction. I don’t know what shrink has brainwashed you, but it is a very real and important facet in most people’s lives. It is also pleasurable, you forgot that. People like sex, Casey. If they didn’t you sure wouldn’t hear so much about in our music, see it in our TV and movies. Separate the two? Well men are kind of like that anyway. I can fantasize about having sex with a lovely tween girl but my wife says someone she didn’t have feelings for could never arouse her. I think society is pushing for less separation and more sex should be an extension of love. But I’ll try your approach next time I’m horny. “Honey, no foreplay tonight….. I’m suppose to separate love from sex….What didn’t you hear? Sex has nothing to do with love….. So baby, make SEX to me!. I think I know where I’d be sleeping. Can I ask if this idea of sex and love being separate is something you picked up from Sunday school or your S.O. counseling? At any rate I can enjoy sex without love (I remember those occasions before being married), but sex is much more fulfilling when it is with someone you care for. So again I say I don’t put credence in this notion. I’d bet most other non-sexually repressed moralistic who aren’t living in denial, wouldn’t either.

Casey ends with:
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Real World? The one you have created. It does not make it right. Same for any other person and their own reality.
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The world I refer to is the one I see all around me. The one made up of mostly good people and some nasty ones. It’s the one I see, not the one I’m led to believe in because someone on CNN said so, or Oprah said so. I have a mind I can read, and I can draw my own conclusions as well as validate them with others. It’s the one I’ve come to recognize without the blinders and self-denial you are under. I see the good and I see the bad. I know what is right and what is wrong. Likewise I know what should be allowed and what is perpetrated as the truth is often the lies society wants us to believe. If the laws allowed me I would simply be friends and lover of a girl until she WAS ready for something more. If that was 18.. so be it.. if it was 8 so be it. Her body and mind isn’t set to the “Eighteen year old “ rule imposed for no purpose except for morality sake.

H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)

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Message 112020
Re: Good and bad

Posted by x_Casey on Jun 30, 2003 01:59 PM | Also by x_Casey

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""Pedophiles think exactly the same way that heterosexual think, and the way homosexuals think. I agree that if he has had a problem allowing himself to be involved with minors then as you said he should really be going other places. Just as any male who has a history of not taking "No" for an answer shouldn't be putting himself in situations such as going to strip clubs. The part I want to get across is pedosexuals do not have uncontrollable urges. We don't struggle with wanting to molest a child anymore than a man struggles with the notion of 'taking' a pretty woman. It is more about respect than it is control. Those with little to no respect for others will be more likely to commit a sexual offense. Having no respect for others can be present in every orientation, do you agree? The notion that pedosexuals are drooling monsters whose every moment is tortured by 'should I molest her or not', is best left for Oprah and the National Inquirer. Makes a great story or ratings but not factual.""

I was merely saying if he goes to the park, and has thoughts and plays them out then he don't need to go.  I did not exclude any other orientation, but we were not talking about other orientations.  I agree it's the same for anyone.

""I don't think so, Casey. This sounds something straight out of therapy or a child saver site. It is perfectly normal to have relationships with minors. When consensual, there are exactly the same possibilities of a positive or negative end as any adult relationship. Your comments about once a minor gets older the molester moves on would be correct. But a molester isn't always a pedosexual nor is that as you say a healthy relationship. What you elected not to tell the readers is that the majority of pedosexuals are not child molesters.""

You still have sexual contact with a minor, and that is illegal and unmoral.  I understand your state of mind, because I was there, but it is incorrect.  There is no such thing as a healthy "sexual" relationship with a minor.  Not saying you can't have really great freindships with a minor, but the sex part is "YOU" being self-ish.  But I cannot change your mind about it, no one could mine.

""So you're trying to tell me it isn't logical,right or healthy for pedosexuals to want CONSENSUAL relationships based simply on how sex offenders(child molesters) treat children? Now tell me how that is any different than the men or womean that goes to bars every Saturday night and picks a new partner to go home with? Tell about how women who use men to get what they want in life is a healthy relationship with a positive end? So using the logic you presented as reasons that adult/minor relationships are unhealthy, you would have to arrive at the same conclusion about adults. Ahhh but you know in reality that the majority don't live that 'one night stand' lifestyle. Sorry that is two-faced.""

Child molesters are different, I didn't mean to imply you were one and the same.  But your really not far from it.  If you were arrested, they would charge you as a child molester, not a "Proud Pedosexual"  That's fact.  And I am not saying adult sex is any more moral when they sleep around.  But adults have sexual drives, children do not.  And I have been around a lot of kids H.  I know what I am talking about.  I know how children usually come around to any kind of wanting to do something sexual.  It's always curiosity.  After that you and all the other pedos are dropping hints that you want to have sex, and they will usually do it, to make you happy because they love you.  Are you gonna prey on that?  SEX is not LOVE.  There are plenty of people unable to have sex H, and they are married and happy.  Tell me.. how that can possibly be?  If you cannot have a non-sexual relationship, then you need to do alot of thinking.

""What you aren't telling the folks is those ASPECTS ARE PRESENT IN EVERY ORIENTATION. The fact in itself doesn't mean everyone in that orientation behaves that way or that even a majority do. You apparently haven't talked to many boy lovers or girl lovers or you would have found that the majority of pedosexuals, just like the majority of homosexuals and heterosexuals desire a lasting relationship and in fact many have gone on to marry their child lover and remain faithful to them all through life. Take your statement to a pedosexual message board and watch the reaction you will receive. If you think I'm kiding I'll be happy to supply the URL for both the boylovers and girllovers message board and you can try that line with them. Talking to child molesters about how pedosexuals behave make as much sense as talking to rapists to understand how the average male should date.""

No that's ok.  I have been apart of 3 message boards that were all BOYLOVE msg boards.  I know exactly what is said, and how people think.  I respected the ones that never touched anyone.  They said they just couldn't bring themselfs to do it.  Others were very carefree about how they had this many boys and that many this.  I had a guy trying to get closer to me.. and here I am 21 at the time... I just look young.  Sad.  I was trying to have a regular conversation and the guy was trying to start a relationship.  "Let me send you some energy." he says.  So I DO KNOW what I am talking about.  And why can't you wait until the child turns 18?  If it's really love then once they are 18 then you can marry and legally have sex.  No comment?

""The other aspect you left out is one that should be obvious but perhaps it is only to pedosexuals is girls and boys as they begin to grow up tend to 'play the field', to a large degree. It is much more likely for a girl who has had a relationship with an adult male, to at some point ditch him in favor of someone new she has met than it is for the adult to have ditched her. Girls and boys will end the relationship more often than the pedosexual will. Again I invite you to talk to pedosexuals not sex offenders on their message board and see what experience has shown.""

Play the feild?  It's more like boys are not gay and they want to have girlfriends.  BY all means H, have friendships with these boys, god knows some of them desperately need it, but having sex with them is only gonna further confused there lifes.  Why can't you see that?  Once they are 18 and if they want to have sex, hey whatever you want.  But... why can't you wait?

""You painted an unreal world because you mixed child molesters (who are the minority) with responsible pedosexuals (who are the majority). It is neither factual nor representative of the average pedosexual lifestyle or their relationships.""

Responsible pedos, do not have sex with kids.

""That is a too simplistic, Casey, and one I'd hope most would have a hard time swallowing. Sex isn't love but it is an integral part of love. It can be inclusive or exclusive. Sex outside of love is purely physical but sex is a part of love if you have feelings for the other person. Perhaps you haven’t heard the phrase “Make love to me”? Most people associate sexual intimacy as a very real part of love and their relationship.""

And that is why you are having sex with kids H.  Because you have that "days of our lives" sex scene in your head.  As most humans do.  LOVE is just there.  Sex is reproduction.  Seperated the two, you will be alot happier.

""I love kids too. Guess what? kids love too and are sexual human beings also.""

Yes, kids do love.  And usually more purely than adults, because they are not judgemental.  But, they are not sexual until puberty sets in.  And then, they don't even know whom they are for years to come.  Guide them, and stop having sex with them.

""I'm glad whatever help you received has made it possible for you to not to reoffend. You are certainly entitled to your views but I also have an obligation to point out as I have above where your views don’t meet the real world.""

Real World?  The one you have created.  It does not make it right.  Same for any other person and their own reality.  Your life, but why drag others into it?  I don't think you understand the confusion you can cause in a child from something like this.  Like I said... guide them, let them grow into an adult and then if they decide they want to have sex with you that's another story.

H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)

Thread

111989, x_HPierce, Jun 28, 2003 07:41 PM [Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts]
      111990, x_Silverthorne, Jun 28, 2003 08:14 PM [About Time]
            111993, x_HPierce, Jun 28, 2003 11:16 PM [I agree]
            111994, x_Casey, Jun 28, 2003 11:22 PM [Re: About Time]
                  112003, x_HPierce, Jun 29, 2003 10:29 AM [Good and bad]
                        112020, x_Casey, Jun 30, 2003 01:59 PM [Re: Good and bad]
                              112034, x_HPierce, Jun 30, 2003 11:18 PM [Not really, Casey]
                                    112054, x_Casey, Jul 01, 2003 03:42 AM [Re: Not really, Casey]
                                          112063, x_HPierce, Jul 01, 2003 11:22 AM [thanks Casey]
                                                112066, x_Casey, Jul 01, 2003 12:37 PM [--_--]
                                                      112084, x_HPierce, Jul 01, 2003 03:19 PM [Have to see both sides]
                                                            112092, x_Casey, Jul 01, 2003 06:31 PM [Re: Have to see bo...]
                                                                  112110, x_HPierce, Jul 01, 2003 11:56 PM [Thanks for th...]
                                                                        112152, x_Katie, Jul 03, 2003 02:02 AM [?? adult/mi...]
                                                                              112165, x_HPierce, Jul 03, 2003 11:00 AM [We alr...]
                                                                              112178, x_Casey, Jul 03, 2003 04:21 PM [Re: ?? a...]
                                                                                    112185, x_anti, Jul 03, 2003 06:31 PM [Re: ??...]
                                                                                          139978, paulina831, Sep 23, 2004 08:17 AM
      111991, x_simon, Jun 28, 2003 08:57 PM [Re: Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts]
      112018, x_CJ, Jun 30, 2003 12:09 PM [Re: Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts]
            112025, x_Sisco, Jun 30, 2003 03:41 PM [Re: Good and bad]
                  112035, x_HPierce, Jun 30, 2003 11:22 PM [I'm glad you support my postion.]
            112030, x_HPierce, Jun 30, 2003 09:49 PM [Re: Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts]
      112106, x_Silverthorne, Jul 01, 2003 09:46 PM [Not a danger?]
            112111, x_HPierce, Jul 02, 2003 12:02 AM [I agree]

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