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Message 112018 (In Reply to Message 111989)
Re: Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts

Posted by x_CJ on Jun 30, 2003 12:09 PM | Also by x_CJ

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HP,

While I do find your fascination with the sexuality of children repugnant, it is beyond me how anyone can believe that a person can be convicted of a crime for THINKING unacceptable thoughts! Is there anyone who hasn't ever had a fight with a neighbor, co-worker, or other acquaintance who has not had a momentary fantasy about blowing his/her head off with a shotgun (or other murderous action)? Should we be convicted of murder just because we thought about it? The Constitution in this country says we must DO something before we can be punished. I vaguely remember something like, "I disagree with what you say, but shall defend to the death your right to say it!" (In this case, I disagree with that you think, but will defend until the death your right to think it!)

I read the citation posted by Simon and noted something that seems to have been overlooked. John Doe had the fantasy, removed himself from the presence of the children in the park, went to his therapist, and discussed/worked through the episode. Personally, I find that a pretty laudable behavior! Without knowing the details of his prior conviction, one could assume that he had performed an illegal sexual act with a child at an earlier time . . . to be able to realize another act might be in the process of triggering, remove himself, and seek professional help BEFORE re-offending says to me that this offender may truly be one of the rehabilitated ones!

With this kind of continuing persecution, why should any offender seek help to work through troubling thoughts BEFORE anyone is injured? Given the scenario in the newspaper article, the offender would be better off to keep such troubling thoughts to himself and risk re-offending rather than seeking support to NOT re-offend. The logic seems contrary to what those who feel the urgent need "to protect children" seem to be demanding.

Another example of the hysteria continuing and the urgent need for healing for EVERYONE in these situations. Fear breeds fear; hatred breed hatred; hysteria breeds hysteria.

CJ

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Message 111989
Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts

Posted by x_HPierce on Jun 28, 2003 07:41 PM | Also by x_HPierce

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Here is one that the 'antis' should pay attention to.  I think the US courts is trying to tell them something.

http://quote.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=aTpo1cBKxLXA&refer=us

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A convicted child sex offender can't be banned from city parks because he thought about having sexual contact with children, a U.S. appeals court ruled. The sex offender told his psychologist and self-help group that he had fantasies about children he observed playing at a city park in 2000 in Lafayette, Indiana. After his former probation officer was alerted, Lafayette officials banned the man from entering any city park, which includes the zoo and the golf course. The man, identified in court proceedings as John Doe, sued, and U.S. District Judge Allen Sharp ruled in favor of the city. The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reversed in a 2-1 decision today, saying that while it finds Doe's fantasies ``deplorable,'' a government cannot punish someone for what he thinks. ``The idea that you could be punished for your thoughts seems to run really far from our view of our protected rights under the First Amendment,'' said Ken Falk, legal director of the Indiana Civil Liberties Union, who represented Doe.
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Yeah to the Indiana Civil Liberties Union!  At least someone is sticking up for people's freedom and the rampant mommyism that is ruining our legal system.  You can't punish or convict someone on what they think.  If that was the case there would be numerous anti's in jail for wanting to kill pedophiles.

And this is part of the difference between a child molester and a pedophile or a rapist and a male. Being attracted (while distasteful to some) to minor is not a crime.  Fantasizing about minors is not a crime.  Acting on those desires would be a crime.

I'm glad justice was served and I hope he has many pleasant days in the park not molesting anyone.

I would hope the dim-witted psychologist and probation officer would be punished.

H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)

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111989, x_HPierce, Jun 28, 2003 07:41 PM [Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts]
      111990, x_Silverthorne, Jun 28, 2003 08:14 PM [About Time]
            111993, x_HPierce, Jun 28, 2003 11:16 PM [I agree]
            111994, x_Casey, Jun 28, 2003 11:22 PM [Re: About Time]
                  112003, x_HPierce, Jun 29, 2003 10:29 AM [Good and bad]
                        112020, x_Casey, Jun 30, 2003 01:59 PM [Re: Good and bad]
                              112034, x_HPierce, Jun 30, 2003 11:18 PM [Not really, Casey]
                                    112054, x_Casey, Jul 01, 2003 03:42 AM [Re: Not really, Casey]
                                          112063, x_HPierce, Jul 01, 2003 11:22 AM [thanks Casey]
                                                112066, x_Casey, Jul 01, 2003 12:37 PM [--_--]
                                                      112084, x_HPierce, Jul 01, 2003 03:19 PM [Have to see both sides]
                                                            112092, x_Casey, Jul 01, 2003 06:31 PM [Re: Have to see bo...]
                                                                  112110, x_HPierce, Jul 01, 2003 11:56 PM [Thanks for th...]
                                                                        112152, x_Katie, Jul 03, 2003 02:02 AM [?? adult/mi...]
                                                                              112165, x_HPierce, Jul 03, 2003 11:00 AM [We alr...]
                                                                              112178, x_Casey, Jul 03, 2003 04:21 PM [Re: ?? a...]
                                                                                    112185, x_anti, Jul 03, 2003 06:31 PM [Re: ??...]
                                                                                          139978, paulina831, Sep 23, 2004 08:17 AM
      111991, x_simon, Jun 28, 2003 08:57 PM [Re: Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts]
      112018, x_CJ, Jun 30, 2003 12:09 PM [Re: Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts]
            112025, x_Sisco, Jun 30, 2003 03:41 PM [Re: Good and bad]
                  112035, x_HPierce, Jun 30, 2003 11:22 PM [I'm glad you support my postion.]
            112030, x_HPierce, Jun 30, 2003 09:49 PM [Re: Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts]
      112106, x_Silverthorne, Jul 01, 2003 09:46 PM [Not a danger?]
            112111, x_HPierce, Jul 02, 2003 12:02 AM [I agree]

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Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts