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Message 112003 (In Reply to Message 111994)
Good and bad

Posted by x_HPierce on Jun 29, 2003 10:29 AM | Also by x_HPierce

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Casey I agree with some of your points about thought crimes. There are other aspects of your post I'm not so sure I agree with.

Casey says:
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I do however think, if the guy has these thoughts everytime he goes to the park, he needs to go other places, if he cannot control them. How far does he go with these thoughts? I know they can just pop into your head, but does he play them out in his mind while he sits on the bench? Or does he attempt to switch his thoughts in another direction. Playing thoughts out in a place like the park, or anywhere around children in dangerous. It makes it too real.
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Pedophiles think exactly the same way that heterosexual think, and the way homosexuals think. I agree that if he has had a problem allowing himself to be involved with minors then as you said he should really be going other places. Just as any male who has a history of not taking "No" for an answer shouldn't be putting himself in situations such as going to strip clubs. The part I want to get across is pedosexuals do not have uncontrollable urges. We don't struggle with wanting to molest a child anymore than a man struggles with the notion of 'taking' a pretty woman. It is more about respect than it is control. Those with little to no respect for others will be more likely to commit a sexual offense. Having no respect for others can be present in every orientation, do you agree? The notion that pedosexuals are drooling monsters whose every moment is tortured by 'should I molest her or not', is best left for Oprah and the National Inquirer. Makes a great story or ratings but not factual.

Casey says:
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And some don't. And proudly believe that sex with a child is ok. That I strongly do not believe in. There is no logic in a sexual relationship with a juvenile, it does not play out to any positive end. Once the juvenile gets older the molester or pedo no longer has any intrest in them sexually and looks for someone else. And this is from the words of pedos/boylovers I have chatted with.
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I don't think so, Casey. This sounds something straight out of therapy or a child saver site. It is perfectly normal to have relationships with minors. When consensual, there are exactly the same possibilities of a positive or negative end as any adult relationship. Your comments about once a minor gets older the molester moves on would be correct. But a molester isn't always a pedosexual nor is that as you say a healthy relationship. What you elected not to tell the readers is that the majority of pedosexuals are not child molesters.

So you're trying to tell me it isn't logical,right or healthy for pedosexuals to want CONSENSUAL relationships based simply on how sex offenders(child molesters) treat children? Now tell me how that is any different than the men or womean that goes to bars every Saturday night and picks a new partner to go home with? Tell about how women who use men to get what they want in life is a healthy relationship with a positive end? So using the logic you presented as reasons that adult/minor relationships are unhealthy, you would have to arrive at the same conclusion about adults. Ahhh but you know in reality that the majority don't live that 'one night stand' lifestyle. Sorry that is two-faced.

What you aren't telling the folks is those ASPECTS ARE PRESENT IN EVERY ORIENTATION. The fact in itself doesn't mean everyone in that orientation behaves that way or that even a majority do. You apparently haven't talked to many boy lovers or girl lovers or you would have found that the majority of pedosexuals, just like the majority of homosexuals and heterosexuals desire a lasting relationship and in fact many have gone on to marry their child lover and remain faithful to them all through life. Take your statement to a pedosexual message board and watch the reaction you will receive. If you think I'm kiding I'll be happy to supply the URL for both the boylovers and girllovers message board and you can try that line with them. Talking to child molesters about how pedosexuals behave make as much sense as talking to rapists to understand how the average male should date.

The other aspect you left out is one that should be obvious but perhaps it is only to pedosexuals is girls and boys as they begin to grow up tend to 'play the field', to a large degree. It is much more likely for a girl who has had a relationship with an adult male, to at some point ditch him in favor of someone new she has met than it is for the adult to have ditched her. Girls and boys will end the relationship more often than the pedosexual will. Again I invite you to talk to pedosexuals not sex offenders on their message board and see what experience has shown.

You painted an unreal world because you mixed child molesters (who are the minority) with responsible pedosexuals (who are the majority). It is neither factual nor representative of the average pedosexual lifestyle or their relationships.

Casey says:
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I love kids. And there is nothing saying you can't either, but "sex" isn't love. Period. It is the way we reproduce.
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That is a too simplistic, Casey, and one I'd hope most would have a hard time swallowing. Sex isn't love but it is an integral part of love. It can be inclusive or exclusive. Sex outside of love is purely physical but sex is a part of love if you have feelings for the other person. Perhaps you haven’t heard the phrase “Make love to me”? Most people associate sexual intimacy as a very real part of love and their relationship.

I love kids too. Guess what? kids love too and are sexual human beings also.

I'm glad whatever help you received has made it possible for you to not to reoffend. You are certainly entitled to your views but I also have an obligation to point out as I have above where your views don’t meet the real world.

H. Pierce (proud pedosexual)

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Message 111994
Re: About Time

Posted by x_Casey on Jun 28, 2003 11:22 PM | Also by x_Casey

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I think thats good.  Though I wonder why the other judge did not vote to over-rule.  Because otherwise he would be saying "it's ok to punish someone for what they think" or I guess even what they say.  Sounds alot like  our eastern neighbors.  If I say "I wish you were dead."  In no way does that mean I am gonna kill someone.

I do believe that theripist have to report anything they think would create repeat offenses.  Which in of itself is bad, because these guys trust their groups to understand them and then they are turned on by the only people that will listen to their thoughts.  If the guy gave a name and place, or said "I think I will molest tomorrow."  That would be another story and they could have the P.O. keeping a better eye on him.  That is what they are paid to do.

I do however think, if the guy has these thoughts everytime he goes to the park, he needs to go other places, if he cannot control them.  How far does he go with these thoughts?  I know they can just pop into your head, but does he play them out in his mind while he sits on the bench?  Or does he attempt to switch his thoughts in another direction.  Playing thoughts out in a place like the park, or anywhere around children in dangerous.  It makes it too real.  Playing them out at home, if he has to play them out, is alot safer.  He could end up snatching up a kid, and then this whole ordeal will go back to court and those judges will no longer vote in the favor of sexual offenders.

Some pedos may be able to control themselfs, but not everyone has the same life.  And some don't.  And proudly believe that sex with a child is ok.  That I strongly do not believe in.  There is no logic in a sexual relationship with a juvenile, it does not play out to any positive end.  Once the juvenile gets older the molester or pedo no longer has any intrest in them sexually and looks for someone else.  And this is from the words of pedos/boylovers I have chatted with.

What void are you trying to fill?  I'll tell you what really made me do my crime, it was being able to get sexually excited from affection.  This made me combine sex and love into one pot.  So sometimes, even now, when I am shown affection my body can react sexually.  Not that I react that way, but I have left a room, and got very angry with myself over it.  Now I understand it, as where I didn't before.  If you go thru your teen years with a particular belief or habit, then it is usually there to stay after you reach adulthood.  As my life moves on that in me will diminish.  One do to age, but two because I am recieving the affection I want from other healthy sources.

Healthy?  Yes, Healthy.  Because again if you cannot have a non-sexual relationship with anyone, including children, and feel loved, then you need to re-think.  And there are plenty of ehem "normal" people out there that cannot have non-sexual relationships, or they think they are not loved.  So alot of people need to do alot of thinking.  =P

I love kids.  And there is nothing saying you can't either, but "sex" isn't love.  Period.  It is the way we reproduce.

I have trouble believeing anyone could read all this and go "well he's right, I'll change."  I sure wouldn't have ever had you told me this a few years back.  I would have just thought you were such an idiot.  lol  But when I started searching for more, is when certian words people would write would hit home and eventually I came to the conclusions on certain matters I have today.  But when my mind starts going, I just write it out, so the usually can go into another chapter, or even book.  Maybe there is someone reading the boards looking for a few words I said in here.

Peace,
Casey

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111989, x_HPierce, Jun 28, 2003 07:41 PM [Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts]
      111990, x_Silverthorne, Jun 28, 2003 08:14 PM [About Time]
            111993, x_HPierce, Jun 28, 2003 11:16 PM [I agree]
            111994, x_Casey, Jun 28, 2003 11:22 PM [Re: About Time]
                  112003, x_HPierce, Jun 29, 2003 10:29 AM [Good and bad]
                        112020, x_Casey, Jun 30, 2003 01:59 PM [Re: Good and bad]
                              112034, x_HPierce, Jun 30, 2003 11:18 PM [Not really, Casey]
                                    112054, x_Casey, Jul 01, 2003 03:42 AM [Re: Not really, Casey]
                                          112063, x_HPierce, Jul 01, 2003 11:22 AM [thanks Casey]
                                                112066, x_Casey, Jul 01, 2003 12:37 PM [--_--]
                                                      112084, x_HPierce, Jul 01, 2003 03:19 PM [Have to see both sides]
                                                            112092, x_Casey, Jul 01, 2003 06:31 PM [Re: Have to see bo...]
                                                                  112110, x_HPierce, Jul 01, 2003 11:56 PM [Thanks for th...]
                                                                        112152, x_Katie, Jul 03, 2003 02:02 AM [?? adult/mi...]
                                                                              112165, x_HPierce, Jul 03, 2003 11:00 AM [We alr...]
                                                                              112178, x_Casey, Jul 03, 2003 04:21 PM [Re: ?? a...]
                                                                                    112185, x_anti, Jul 03, 2003 06:31 PM [Re: ??...]
                                                                                          139978, paulina831, Sep 23, 2004 08:17 AM
      111991, x_simon, Jun 28, 2003 08:57 PM [Re: Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts]
      112018, x_CJ, Jun 30, 2003 12:09 PM [Re: Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts]
            112025, x_Sisco, Jun 30, 2003 03:41 PM [Re: Good and bad]
                  112035, x_HPierce, Jun 30, 2003 11:22 PM [I'm glad you support my postion.]
            112030, x_HPierce, Jun 30, 2003 09:49 PM [Re: Pedophile can't be punished for thoughts]
      112106, x_Silverthorne, Jul 01, 2003 09:46 PM [Not a danger?]
            112111, x_HPierce, Jul 02, 2003 12:02 AM [I agree]

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Re: About Time