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Message 100032
UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by x_LAURENCEHOWARD
on Nov 19, 2000 07:11 PM | Also by x_LAURENCEHOWARD
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HELLO ALL. I AM WRITING IN REGARDS TO TODAYS SEXREGISTRATION I AM A 24 YEAR OLD MALE REGISTRED IN THE STATE OF DELEWARE . AT THE TIME I WAS 18 AND MY GIRLFRIEND WAS 15 WE WERE HAVING SEX AND THE STATE OF DELEWARE HAD ME LOCKED UP AND NOW I REGISTRER FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE PROBLEM ??? YES I AM STILL WITHE THIS GIRL SHE IS ALMOST 20 YEARS OLD AND I STILL HAVE TO REGISTRER SHE IS ALSO MY WIFE OF 2-1/2 YEARS WE HAVE TWO BEUTIFUL GIRLS A 21/2 YEAR OLD AND A TWO MONTH OLD I AM A REALLY HARD WORKER AND MY WIFE WORKS AND ALSO GOOES TO COLLEGE WHAT WHEN MY GIRLS HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL AND FIND OUT THAT DADS PICTURE GETS POSTED AROUND THE NEIGHBOR HOOD HOW MANY OF YOUR PARENTS GRANDPARENTS OR EVEN YOU GOT MARRIED AT 15 OR 16 AND HAD KDS SHOULD THEY ALL REGISTER ALSO I UNDERSTAND PROTECTING SOCIETY FROM THE REAL MONSTERS BUT FROM A MAN AND HIS LOVING WIFE pLEASE RESPOND TO ME
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Message 100035 (In Reply to Message 100032)
RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by x_Shannen
on Nov 21, 2000 02:17 PM | Also by x_Shannen
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I feel terrible for you. I do. And honestly, I think its unfair that you have to live with that. However, I also understand why you have to register. Going on a case-by case basis would be near impossible. If you don't list everyone, you can't list anyone at all. Think of it this way. You are making a sacrafice, but that sacrafice could potentially PROTECT your daughters in the present or near future. I hope things work out for you, and I hope you, your daughters, and your wife have long and happy lives.
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Message 100053 (In Reply to Message 100032)
RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by x_JJ
on Feb 15, 2001 05:08 PM | Also by x_JJ
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I have to say that I do feel for your paticular situation. I also have to agree with our system. I live next door to a real victim who needs to be protected so I can sympathize with you as well as know that our system is set up the way it is for a reason. I do feel though to protect our less criminal violators we should list the actual crime not just molestation, rape, ect. it should give a small summary. I know of a man I went to school with in your same situation. I am sure that other people seeing his name on the list just thinks of him as sick. I know better though.
I hope that you and your family is happy and live a wonderful life together.
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Message 100056 (In Reply to Message 100053)
RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by x_fedup
on Feb 20, 2001 06:01 PM | Also by x_fedup
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Why isn't there a list of people who commit assault or robbery or for that fact murder?People are having their families killed their houses burnt down because they are on a piece of paper what ever happend to not letting your children roam streets alone or actually gaining knowledge on subjects. My husband committed a sex offense as a minor in 9yrs he has not reoffended. However we cannot get a place to live anywhere because when he was 15 (akid)
Now here is the reality check I am a survivor of molestation and VIOLENT RAPE. I do not excuse what my husband did However I don't think a list will cure anything.
To protect your child Know if there is an offender however also know that as long as you are aware of where your child is and make them aware to stay away from that person.
But is violence necessary. I would suggest not to cause unecessaary stress because strees and anger maybe a red flag for that offender and instead of preventing another victim you help create one by being a butt head. How about talking to the person find out the facts not what you ass u me.
Remember violence begats violence!
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Message 100057 (In Reply to Message 100053)
RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by x_fedup
on Feb 20, 2001 06:15 PM | Also by x_fedup
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Why isn't there a list of people who commit assault or robbery or for that fact murder?People are having their families killed their houses burnt down because they are on a piece of paper what ever happend to not letting your children roam streets alone or actually gaining knowledge on subjects. My husband committed a sex offense as a minor in 9yrs he has not reoffended. However we cannot get a place to live anywhere because when he was 15 (akid)
Now here is the reality check I am a survivor of molestation and VIOLENT RAPE. I do not excuse what my husband did However I don't think a list will cure anything.
To protect your child Know if there is an offender however also know that as long as you are aware of where your child is and make them aware to stay away from that person.
But is violence necessary. I would suggest not to cause unecessaary stress because strees and anger maybe a red flag for that offender and instead of preventing another victim you help create one by being a butt head. How about talking to the person find out the facts not what you ass u me.
Remember violence begats violence!
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Message 100062 (In Reply to Message 100057)
RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by x_survivor
on Feb 24, 2001 01:55 AM | Also by x_survivor
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i think that you made up that whole story..your motive(s) i am not sure of though. I dont think 18 year olds should be having sex with 15 year olds..the age difference WAS very big in terms of mental/emotional maturity, but i guess you must have just looked at her physically and thought with your penis instead.
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Message 100063 (In Reply to Message 100062)
RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by x_thislawstinks
on Feb 24, 2001 10:45 PM | Also by x_thislawstinks
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My son was involved in a year and a half relationship with a girl, who not only lied about her age,but treied to lie about a pregnancy. Yes They had sex the girl got pregnant,my son stood by her thru it all, then she miscarried the baby at 7 months. We had a burial for their little boy, and the next thing we knew, he was being charged with sexual intercourse without consent. #1. she was a willing partner, #2, her mother not only knew, but was ecstatic about the pregnancy, she wanted my son to move in with them ,and she would buy them a car set in up with a job, the whole nine yards. When the baby died, the mother went for revenge. Not to mention, a family member on the girl's side of the family, happened to be a cop. My son is now in prison for it. The girl has never signed anything against him in any way, and they still love each other.They never got the chance to mourn the loss of this child together. Not to mention we have documents proving the cop lied, proving the mother lied etc.. yet none of it was brought up in court. My son also had a public defender that didn't do a damn thing for him. Does anyone know how I can go about going after them, for lying. This law really needs to be changed. There are so many men out there being labeled with this for the rest of their lives, and I think the girls should be held accountable too. The girls now days look and act older earlier, and they know exactly what they are doing. But the law says they don't. Then no one is really paying attention are they??? I could state case upon case where this has happened, many times the parents are there, while the girl and guy are in another room etc,,,it has happened here 4 times in the last 6 months. My son had sex with his girlfriend, yet he's in prison. Yet I have a child molester who molested two children under the age of 6 living on the corner from me, and one of the children was his own 3 year old boy, but he's walking the street. Another molested my nephew, no probation etc.. Another man tried to murder his wife with a meat cleaver, she almost bled to death and he only got probation. Something is very wrong here.
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Message 100064 (In Reply to Message 100062)
RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by x_thislawstinks
on Feb 24, 2001 10:45 PM | Also by x_thislawstinks
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My son was involved in a year and a half relationship with a girl, who not only lied about her age,but treied to lie about a pregnancy. Yes They had sex the girl got pregnant,my son stood by her thru it all, then she miscarried the baby at 7 months. We had a burial for their little boy, and the next thing we knew, he was being charged with sexual intercourse without consent. #1. she was a willing partner, #2, her mother not only knew, but was ecstatic about the pregnancy, she wanted my son to move in with them ,and she would buy them a car set in up with a job, the whole nine yards. When the baby died, the mother went for revenge. Not to mention, a family member on the girl's side of the family, happened to be a cop. My son is now in prison for it. The girl has never signed anything against him in any way, and they still love each other.They never got the chance to mourn the loss of this child together. Not to mention we have documents proving the cop lied, proving the mother lied etc.. yet none of it was brought up in court. My son also had a public defender that didn't do a damn thing for him. Does anyone know how I can go about going after them, for lying. This law really needs to be changed. There are so many men out there being labeled with this for the rest of their lives, and I think the girls should be held accountable too. The girls now days look and act older earlier, and they know exactly what they are doing. But the law says they don't. Then no one is really paying attention are they??? I could state case upon case where this has happened, many times the parents are there, while the girl and guy are in another room etc,,,it has happened here 4 times in the last 6 months. My son had sex with his girlfriend, yet he's in prison. Yet I have a child molester who molested two children under the age of 6 living on the corner from me, and one of the children was his own 3 year old boy, but he's walking the street. Another molested my nephew, no probation etc.. Another man tried to murder his wife with a meat cleaver, she almost bled to death and he only got probation. Something is very wrong here.
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Message 100065 (In Reply to Message 100032)
RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by x_Betty
on Feb 26, 2001 12:21 AM | Also by x_Betty
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To anyone who can help:
Hi, I'm in high school, and I'm doing a debate about this sex offender registry act. I'm against it, for various reasons, most importantly these two: The way it dissallows released convicts to get on with their lives and also because it does not consider those who were wrongly accused or had special circumstnaces (like the guy who started this thread, Laurence I think his name was.) So if you have any stories, any information, or just some statistics or anything like that, please post it on this board as soon as possible. I intend to take this battle outside of the classroom, into the legislative sessions, wherever it has to go. Please help me out.
Betty
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Message 100066 (In Reply to Message 100065)
You want to know whats not fair?
Posted by x_Gwen
on Feb 26, 2001 06:46 AM | Also by x_Gwen
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Just to establish this first ... I've been a "victim" of sexcrimes a few times (I say "victim" 'cause I have a hard time with the word sometimes but for lack of better on thats the one I have to use)
I feel sorry for the unfortunate ones who get "labeled" so to speek as a sex offender. And I would have to agree that this countries laws and legislative system is a bit "crooked," but the sex offender registration law (in my opinion) is a great tool for not only victims but society as well.
You want to know what REALLY isnt fair?
I grew up in foster care. My biological father raped me when I was all of 5 years old and then I went into foster care and my adoptive mothers boyfriend sexually abused me for 8+ years. When I "came out" about it my mother basically said "oh well." She didn't do "jack" about it and when I said that I wanted to prosecute him she called me a "selfish big mouth bitch." If my mother wasn't going to protect me from him who would? Many times he threatened me and I went on to prosecute him. It took almost three years from the time that I came out before we went to court. During that three years I think we had about 4 or 5 trial dates setup. He would say that he would plee and then literally a day or less away from the plee hearing he would change his mind and say that he wanted a trial. He did this like 5 times before a judge told him to make a final decision on what he wanted. So I was the on there with my life on hold for him. He had all the rights and I had none. Now tell me .... he was the criminal not me. And all the state could say to me when he kept jerking me around and changing the dates was "its his right." Well what the hell are my rights? That wasn't fair!
Then finally when we did get to court ... he got 3-6 years. THATS IT. And he not only abused me for 8 years but scarred me for life. When the court asked me what I though he should receive for a sentence my answer was "he should get at least 8 years because he took those years away from me... my child hood." So he gets 3-6 and you know what? He didn't even serve 3 years. Got out on good behavior. What the hell is that? Good behavior? What about those 8 years of bad behavior? Thats not fair!
Last but certainly not least. So he's in jail now for sexually molesting a 6 year old for 8 years. Now I am just about to graduate from High School. Thinking about going on to college because I don't want to be working at some burger joint or bagging groceries for the rest of my life. I want to be either a social worker or a victim-witness advocate. But I have no parents to speek of to help my way and I didn't get 1500 on my SAT's. So I am out of luck unless I want to be paying off student loans for the rest of my life. I was offered a little assistance. Guess who got a free ride. The same damn guy who is in jail for abusing me got a college degree while "being punished." Taxpayers paid for that bastard to get a law degree in jail and I, a law abiding citizen wanting to better myself to help society had to enlist in the Marine Corps 'cause that was the only way that I would get any significant assistance. NOW THATS NOT FAIR.
Its unfortunate that things are that way in this country. Like the woman said in an earlier thread ... its unfortunate that you get stuck with a label that you don't necessarily deserve. This law serves for the greater good.
When I learned that he was getting out of jail I wanted to run as far away as I could. This registration program allows me to know where he is without having any contact with him. It gives me at least a little more security in knowing that he is half the country away from me and IF he moves I can track where he is. Now I know that you cant protect people from everything always but at least when I have children I will know if some pedophile lurks next door or if one moves in ... in which case I wouldn't even let him play in the back yard alone.
Lastly... as I am sure that you are aware of or may have heard before many sex offenders, about 60-85% are repeat offenders. (depending on what source you use)
In conclusion ... yes the registration law does have a few little quirks that maybe should be amended. As does the rest of the legislative system ... but as its been said many times its definatly not a perfect world.
To the guy that started this thread... again I'm sorry that you get marked unfairly by this law but you have to admit that you are an unusual case ... representing about .01% of the sex offender population. Good luck with your wife and future. At least you have her ... think about it... could be a lot worse.
And to the mother ... I would agree with you that maybe the punishment for your son is a little harsh. And I DEFINATLY agree that the girl should be held responsible too! Guess your son should have thought twice...... these days you cant trust anyone. Just another reason not to have sex at such a young age I guess. I hope others see it as a message that you cant trust anyone these days and that maybe you should think twice before having sex just 'cause it feels good... especially at such a young age.
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Message 100070 (In Reply to Message 100065)
Re: You want to know whats not fair?
Posted by x_JJ
on Feb 27, 2001 01:32 PM | Also by x_JJ
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Betty, I am sure that you feel you are out to protect people, just please think about everyone involed before you try and take your debate anywhere. I have 3 children and do checks on the offenders list almost every week. I feel that as a Mother I have the right to protect my children. The registery is a great way to do just that. You see when a person does the crime they lose the privacy. It then becomes public record. If you start hiding crimes and keeping things quiet to protect the convicted then you put everyone at risk. How are we(parents and citizens) suppose to protect ourselves if we are not aware of what is going on? Knowledge is power and we should all practice that.
We live in a very grey world and never know what is lurking around the next corner. Don't try and take away the publics defense. Wait till you have a family and kids and then see how you feel. You know sometimes the only security a molestation survivor has is the fact that they know where the convict is. My daughter is best friends with a survivor of molestation. The man that molested her was released from prison Feb. 11th. Her mother and I looked him up the day after he was released to make sure that he was listed and where. He was and that was a sigh of relief to her. He had been molesting for over 20 years and only had to serve 5. My daughters best friend at the age of 4 went through reconstructive surgery on her uterus and even external parts of her vagina. She will live with the scars forever. (emotional and physical) I think she and her parents have the right to know where this man is. The girl is now 11 and feels he is still a great threat to her. I can't say that I blame her. She has been through more as a child than most of us go through in an entire lifetime. So please give the victims some thought before you go anywhere with your "battle".
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Message 100075 (In Reply to Message 100032)
Re: You want to know whats not fair?
Posted by x_CC
on Mar 01, 2001 03:14 AM | Also by x_CC
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Recently i just sat through a trial of an innocent man, and a very good friend who simply had false allogations brought against him by some young troubled boys. It was their word against his word.He was a role model citizen with a good job. He was presumed guilty before the trial.It was not well investigated. the mother of the boys had three children all from different men and a live in boyfriend. The jury first came back with a hung jury, but was sent back to deliberate longer. there were two charges for the same offensses. Then to hurry the verdict they compromised on a guilty and a not guilty charge.There were many young children and adults who testified on behalf of the deffendant. In terms of his trustworthyness and his interactions with other children. there were absolutely no other complaints from any child he worked with in the past. He still maintains his innocents. He has been incarcerated for 15 months to 15 years. He has lost his job his assets, and he is unable to practice in his present profession. He has absolutely no desire to ever work with young children again or to ever want to put himself alone with women or children. Prison has been hell for him.The above consequencesshould be enough punishment for this man.
WAKE UP AMERICA WE ARE PUTTING INNOCENT PEOPLE IN JAIL. NEXT TIME IT COULD BE YOUR SON OR A LOVED FAMILY MEMBER. I am a women/single parent who has raised a son who is now 24. Many young men make mistakes when their young. Sometimes 18 year old boys don't always think,or are very immature for their age. I'm sure there are also many young ladies out their who are minors and consent to sex or lie about their age then cry rape.
My son got to see first hand how the corruption of our justice system works.Just remember for every person who is unfairly put on the sex offender list it is a VIOLATION of both YOURS and MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. By all means I do believe pedifiles should not walk the streets. Yet the sex offender list is not a cure all, and sex crimes need to be looked at on an individual basis not just lumped together in the same category. So all in favor of the sex offender list better teach your boys stay away from young boys and never be totally alone with a woman because it could be their name next time. CC
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Message 100078 (In Reply to Message 100075)
Re: You want to know whats not fair?
Posted by x_Betty
on Mar 05, 2001 12:25 AM | Also by x_Betty
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I do understand how you guys have suffered. Trust me, I've been there as well. I know the victimization, the uncertainty- the shame. I do feel that sex offenders should be punished- and never allowed to hurt anyone. But the difference between me believing that and everyone else beliening it is that no matter how much I want justice, no matter how much I want the true criminals to pay, I am not willing to let innocent people, or people with special circumstances, or people who truly made mistakes, I'm not willing to let them suffer just so the real bad guys can be monitored. No. The greater good? Let me tell you about the greater good. Civic Virtue died out with the making of the constitution. We cannot depend on the greater good to clean up our society's messes. If we really want change- and I know that we all do- then we're going to have to work hard for it. Slapping every sex offender with a scarlet letter isn't the answer. We've got to look at each and every case, we've got to tighten parole/probation laws, we've got to build more prisons, and most of all we've got to stop the recidivism of these sex offenders by getting them the psychiatric help they need. Only with therapy can these guys get over the issues that are causing them to attack. And you know what I want to know? If sex offenders are so dangerous that we have to monitor them with this act, then what in God's name are they doing out of prison in the first place? You can say all you want about legal loopholes, prison space-whatever- the truth is there is no excuse for letting someone out if they're still dangerous. Because their is always going to be one guy who outsmarts the registry, or an unsespecting kid who wanders away from his parent. What good will this registry be then? No good. none at all. So you want to know what is unfair? Unfair is trying to solve a real and serious problem by putting labels on people and not taking the time, effort, and dedication to work to abolish the problem for good. That's what unfair, even to me, and I've been through the trauma. No one deserves to suffer for someone elses crime, greater good or no greater good.
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Message 100079 (In Reply to Message 100078)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_Gwen
on Mar 05, 2001 02:32 PM | Also by x_Gwen
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CC... please dont take this the wrong way but, HOW do you KNOW that the man you are speaking of is innocent? Were you there during these alleged attacks? I'm not saying that it never happens but chileren/teens dont just accuse someone of such a crime for no reason at all (though I don't deny that these days anything is possible and I don't know the case or the man you speek of so I cannot pass judgement). Seriously the reason I ask is 'cause my mother who "knew" this man for 20 so odd years had not a clue as to what he was doing to me. NOT ONE CLUE .. and she probably "knew" him better than anyone else. More and more these days its not the weirdo, greasy/nappy haired, half toothless men that are the perpetrators. Its the laywers, doctors, youth group leaders, pastors, teachers, coaches, etc., etc. All I am trying to say is ... though you may think that you know him ... you really don't necessarily KNOW him. And unfortunatly these days that goes with almost any situation that you can think of. Again please don't think that I am attacking you. I'm not.
Betty... I like you a lot. I like the way you think. I too agree with you on most things. I agree that it is a shame that innocent people get hurt or branded unfairly with this law. I've investigated sex offenders programs somewhat (I'm no expert and dont claim to be one) and do you know that roughly 7 out of 10 sex offenders are not only repeat offenders but 9 out of those 10 repeat offenders have been through the so-called sex offender progams. Pedophiles do have a "disease." Its like alcoholics once an alcoholic always an alcoholic. They always have to be monitored. The registration list is a way of doing that. Now why, you may ask is it that 9 out of 10 offenders, who complete the sex offender program, go out and do it again. Obvious reasons that come to mind...
1. They truely are sick people and there is no real "cure" for their illness.
2. The sex offender program are a waste of tax payers money and they obviously are not run properly... whomever runs these programs obviously needs to be replaced for their lack of whatever to have such a high failure rate.
Myself... I think its a mixture of both. You know I think (NOTE I SAID THINK: ie this is my opinion) ... I think that really only 1 out of every 100 successful sex offender program graduates is really successful because of the program. Call me pesimistic but I think that those other 99 who are "cured" are one of two things, 1. either smarter in picking their victims and dont get caught or 2. just so damn ashamed by being branded and the fact that for once while they were in prison they got to know how it felt to be someone else's bitch. Its true that sex offenders are on the bottom of the "food chain" in prison. Thats simply because all the other convicts in there ... bank robbers, killers, organized crime members... they all have children thus they despise those that feed off the children.
Still .. what all my blabering boils down to basicaly is that it is a sickness and they do need to be monitored not only by probation (which I agree does need to be more rigid) but also by the central public. With probation you've got only 1 guy looking over these offenders ... with the list you've got a network looking over themselves... and thus the offender.
Lastly in my "humble" opinion ... the perpetrator loses his "rights" so-to-speek when he took mine away!
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Message 100084 (In Reply to Message 100078)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_cathy
on Mar 10, 2001 05:04 PM | Also by x_cathy
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does anyone know where i can view an actual copy of megans law so i can view word fo word to determine where there are problems with it and present it to my legislative rep. and perhaps something can be done about this law to protect innocent or less criminal individuals .
thank you
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Message 100088 (In Reply to Message 100032)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_wvtears
on Mar 13, 2001 03:08 AM | Also by x_wvtears
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Hi I am a 24 year old female and this is the second one of these I have done tonight.I think if in fact you are telling the truth you are being done wrong. Two years of age diffrence is nothing. The true sex offenders can not get a bad enough punishment for the lives they have ruined. And over half of them get no punishment at all. I am truley outraged.Even though there are people out there getting treated unfair because of this law I do not think they need to get rid of the law,They just need to put more guidelines on it.
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Message 100096 (In Reply to Message 100032)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_RickFisher
on Mar 24, 2001 06:57 PM | Also by x_RickFisher
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I would have to agree that the life-long registration of those who commit "statutory rape" is unfair. The only suggestion that I would have is look at a state like Wyoming who classifies sex offenders. Someone who commits "statutory rape" has to register for a year, then they are clear to not register again. It isn't the greatest solution, but it is better than life-long registration. Go to your legislators and lobby for change to the state laws.
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Message 100099 (In Reply to Message 100032)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_EdwardJones
on Mar 29, 2001 08:03 PM | Also by x_EdwardJones
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Fisrt of all I must say that i truly sympathize with the guy who's forced to live the rest of his life with a red flag attached to his name. Society has become so dependent on others to make decisions for us that we take away the rights of the victim. Our first quwstion should be...why don't we have the right and ability to give our input (and expect to be listened to) on bills that will one become laws and govern our lives.
We need to ask the question of who the real victim is in a sitution. When someone is molested or raped he/she is truly the victim...but what rights do that person have, none it seems. They are taken away from the victim and given to the offender.
Our judical system looks at a female as the weaker sex. This means that whether or not she lies about her age he will become the pretator. And, as we all know, no one listens to a pretator.
I have 2 daughters and a son and it scares me think that my son could end in prison for having consential sex a female who is 2 years younger then he or who his lyed about her age. Where are we, as parents, when our daughters is telling him that she is a certain age when in fact she is younger. Do we not teach our childerrn any moral values anymore.
A victim has every right to be outraged when a crime has been commited. And society should be outraged when a pretator is released back out onto the streets to re- offend. Sure we can track that person provided we have a computer--but not everyone has one. Who protects them. Who protect people like the guy who has to be red flaged for having pre-martial sex with his wife. Who protects his family?
Like I said in in one other thread...while we do need to be concerned with the real sex offenders...we have another serious issue brewing on the horizon. While we're protecting our kids from offenders, how do we protect our kids from each other and from a system that is slowly going to hell in a hand basket.
I want you to know that if you are an offender, we as parents are wathing you and we are watching our kids. To my parents who are reading this, though we mustn't forget about the sex offenders, we also need to take a good long look at our educational system. Our kids are being shot and killed each day by one another. The school system is dumping our elementary students out on the street for drawing images of toys that we buy every year. And a simple kiss between two second graders could one day land your child in jail (with a red flag).
My heart goes out to all the victims and to the few who don't deserve to get red flaged.
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Message 100100 (In Reply to Message 100032)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_EdwardJones
on Mar 29, 2001 08:10 PM | Also by x_EdwardJones
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Fisrt of all, I must say that i truly sympathize with the guy who's forced to live the rest of his life with a red flag attached to his name. Society has become so dependent on others to make decisions for us that we take away the rights of the victim. Our first quwstion should be...why don't we have the right and ability to give our input (and expect to be listened to) on bills that will one become laws and govern our lives.
We need to ask the question of who the real victim is in a sitution. When someone is molested or raped he/she is truly the victim...but what rights do that person have, none it seems. They are taken away from the victim and given to the offender.
Our judical system looks at a female as the weaker sex. This means that whether or not she lies about her age he will become the pretator. And, as we all know, no one listens to a pretator.
I have 2 daughters and a son and it scares me think that my son could end in prison for having consential sex a female who is 2 years younger then he or who has lyed about her age. Where are we, as parents, when our daughters is telling him that she is a certain age when in fact she is younger. Do we not teach our childern any moral values anymore.
A victim has every right to be outraged when a crime has been commited. And society should be outraged when a pretator is released back out onto the streets to re- offend. Sure we can track that person provided we have a computer--but not everyone has one. Who warns them of the presence of a pretator in the neighborhood? Who protect people like the guy who has to be red flaged for having pre-martial sex with his wife. Who protects his family when his neighbors find out and decide to burn his house down or torment his child?
Like I said in in one other thread...while we do need to be concerned with the real sex offenders...we have another serious issue brewing on the horizon. While we're protecting our kids from offenders, how do we protect our kids from each other and from a system that is slowly going to hell in a hand basket.
I want you to know that if you are an offender, we as parents, are watching you and we are watching our kids. To my parents who are reading this, though we mustn't forget about the sex offenders, we also need to take a good long look at our educational system. Our kids are being shot and killed each day by one another. The school system is dumping our elementary students out on the street for drawing images of toys that we buy every year. And a simple kiss between two second graders could one day land your child in jail (with a red flag).
My heart goes out to all the victims and to the few who don't deserve to get red flaged.
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Message 100103 (In Reply to Message 100032)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_robert
on Apr 02, 2001 09:11 PM | Also by x_robert
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hello iwas 15 and my wife was 15 when we stared to have sex. Now were we both just thjing about it now we are now 32 and still married.. you must rethink your thinking
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Message 100163 (In Reply to Message 100088)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_angela
on Jun 24, 2001 04:12 PM | Also by x_angela
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What about the girls that lie about age. At 13 or 14 or any age, if they think they can get in trouble it is human nature to lie. They don't understand it can send a 18 year old to jail. They don't understand the consequences of this. We are suppose to protect the girls but who protects the boys from the girls that lie. If they consent exspecially in todays society, they know a lot more than we did or do, then we are saying that it is ok for them to lie and send people to jail as long as we protect them because the girls are not responsible because they are to young. I don't think so. I think we are giving girls a reason to make more excusses for not being responsible.
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Message 100166 (In Reply to Message 100099)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_same
on Jun 30, 2001 02:01 AM | Also by x_same
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sex
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Message 100167 (In Reply to Message 100032)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_same
on Jun 30, 2001 02:02 AM | Also by x_same
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sex women
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Message 100174 (In Reply to Message 100032)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_MarkLevenda
on Jun 30, 2001 10:42 PM | Also by x_MarkLevenda
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Your a freak like the rest. you broke the law you moron.. are you that stupid.. move and register all your life because you a sex offender.> i think it's funny..
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Message 100186 (In Reply to Message 100078)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_alan
on Jul 29, 2001 02:12 PM | Also by x_alan
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hai
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Message 100214 (In Reply to Message 100032)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_EverybodymustR
on Sep 26, 2001 03:39 PM | Also by x_EverybodymustR
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With the recent events you'll all be registering in some fashaion or another.
In fact, I watched the CEO of Sun MIcroSYTEMs use the term "authentication"
So, before we pass more laws on top of more laws and more government let's consider the registry law. Has it stopped or slowed abuse??????? Again, has it slowed or helped in anyway. Okay, it did create some jobs for gov. webmasters but has it slowed down abuse. All it did was make Megan's dad feel better.
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Message 100242 (In Reply to Message 100057)
Re: Betty and Others
Posted by x_ameed
on Oct 20, 2001 07:32 AM | Also by x_ameed
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sex Pictures
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Message 100336 (In Reply to Message 100099)
Re:you want to know whats not fair
Posted by x_prissy
on Dec 05, 2001 02:29 AM | Also by x_prissy
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my daughter was 3 when a family friend of ours who we knew for 7 years orally molested her. he got 3 years and only has to do 2and 1/2. he gets out on christmas eve this year, merry christmas to her, they say she will not remember but she still does, it's not fair that he only got 3 years that is 1 year for every year that she was. i read in the paper that this guy got 15 years for doing that to 2 other children,it's not fair that they give some offenders more time then others, i think that they should all serve life and have to have their man hood cut off and what other body part that they used to do the crime.my daughter is 6 now and she won't even let her father bathe her or help her change her clothes, she even cries when she has to get undress for the doctor. this jerk ruined my daughters life and all he got was 3 years, he gets his freedom but my daughter will never have her innocents back again.
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Message 100337 (In Reply to Message 100336)
Re:you want to know whats not fair
Posted by x_NONE
on Dec 05, 2001 03:30 AM | Also by x_NONE
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If you get the right lawyer and can get evidence, like the mother admitting to knowing what was going on.... or something; maybe there is a chance for a civil suit. Or maybe even a criminal trial. Make the mother a responsible adult, just as your son was made.
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Message 100338 (In Reply to Message 100079)
Re:you want to know whats not fair
Posted by x_NONE
on Dec 05, 2001 03:46 AM | Also by x_NONE
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Please restate, it does not make sense.
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Message 100339 (In Reply to Message 100079)
Re:you want to know whats not fair
Posted by x_NONE
on Dec 05, 2001 03:49 AM | Also by x_NONE
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You know what, we should just put everyone to death. Whether the crime be rape, murder, drug possesion, a speeding ticket. Death is the only good solution to any and all crimes. I'm with you, what do you think?
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Message 100341 (In Reply to Message 100338)
Re:you want to know whats not fair
Posted by x_Nichole
on Dec 05, 2001 06:31 PM | Also by x_Nichole
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My fiancee is sitting in jail for failure to register. He doesn't deserve to be there. He didn't do the crime when he was 13 but the lawyer said plead no contest and they will give you probation.... he forgot to mention the humility for the rest of his life. And the internet will forever say his name and CSC2: person under 13.... Doesn't say when the crime was commited. or the fact they were the same age! I am against the law, it didn't stop him from doing another crime. It doesn't stop anyone. I feel bad for the children who are hurt, but try being on the other side. It hurts their families and children too...
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Message 100522 (In Reply to Message 100032)
Re:you want to know whats not fair
Posted by x_justin
on Dec 17, 2001 01:47 PM | Also by x_justin
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I know it didn't stop him. That's why he's in jail and this registry warns us about him. See, cause and effect sweetheart.
The other side of hurt children is not one I've construted my life or values for. It hurts their families and children because of the deeds of the accused. Cause and effect. Speak slowly enough for you Nichole?
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Message 100562 (In Reply to Message 100032)
Re:you want to know whats not fair
Posted by x_Nichole
on Dec 18, 2001 10:02 AM | Also by x_Nichole
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I have more values than you can think of. I wish I could explain this well, but it is difficult. THE MAIN REASON my fiancee reoffended is the fact he is on the registry for something he didn't do... Every day he sat and thought, hey the world views me as a monster.... so why should I do anything to better it. He never had an urge to look at, touch or want children in a sexual manner... but he didn't want to let people like you down, who say 'see i told you so, he is sick!' In reality, he is a kind, caring person who wants to break the viscous cycle that causes most of this pain on both sides.
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100032, x_LAURENCEHOWARD, Nov 19, 2000 07:11 PM [UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
100035, x_Shannen, Nov 21, 2000 02:17 PM [RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
100053, x_JJ, Feb 15, 2001 05:08 PM [RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
100056, x_fedup, Feb 20, 2001 06:01 PM [RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
100057, x_fedup, Feb 20, 2001 06:15 PM [RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
100060, Rejected
100061, Rejected
100062, x_survivor, Feb 24, 2001 01:55 AM [RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!...]
100063, x_thislawstinks, Feb 24, 2001 10:45 PM [RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!...]
100064, x_thislawstinks, Feb 24, 2001 10:45 PM [RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!...]
100242, x_ameed, Oct 20, 2001 07:32 AM [Re: Betty and Others]
100065, x_Betty, Feb 26, 2001 12:21 AM [RE: UNFAIR SEX REGISTRATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
100066, x_Gwen, Feb 26, 2001 06:46 AM [You want to know whats not fair?]
100067, Rejected
100070, x_JJ, Feb 27, 2001 01:32 PM [Re: You want to know whats not fair?]
100075, x_CC, Mar 01, 2001 03:14 AM [Re: You want to know whats not fair?]
100078, x_Betty, Mar 05, 2001 12:25 AM [Re: You want to know whats not fair?]
100079, x_Gwen, Mar 05, 2001 02:32 PM [Re: Betty and Others]
100338, x_NONE, Dec 05, 2001 03:46 AM [Re:you want to know whats not fair]
100341, x_Nichole, Dec 05, 2001 06:31 PM [Re:you want to know whats not fair]
100339, x_NONE, Dec 05, 2001 03:49 AM [Re:you want to know whats not fair]
100084, x_cathy, Mar 10, 2001 05:04 PM [Re: Betty and Others]
100186, x_alan, Jul 29, 2001 02:12 PM [Re: Betty and Others]
100088, x_wvtears, Mar 13, 2001 03:08 AM [Re: Betty and Others]
100163, x_angela, Jun 24, 2001 04:12 PM [Re: Betty and Others]
100096, x_RickFisher, Mar 24, 2001 06:57 PM [Re: Betty and Others]
100099, x_EdwardJones, Mar 29, 2001 08:03 PM [Re: Betty and Others]
100166, x_same, Jun 30, 2001 02:01 AM [Re: Betty and Others]
100336, x_prissy, Dec 05, 2001 02:29 AM [Re:you want to know whats not fair]
100337, x_NONE, Dec 05, 2001 03:30 AM [Re:you want to know whats not fair]
100100, x_EdwardJones, Mar 29, 2001 08:10 PM [Re: Betty and Others]
100103, x_robert, Apr 02, 2001 09:11 PM [Re: Betty and Others]
100167, x_same, Jun 30, 2001 02:02 AM [Re: Betty and Others]
100174, x_MarkLevenda, Jun 30, 2001 10:42 PM [Re: Betty and Others]
100214, x_EverybodymustR, Sep 26, 2001 03:39 PM [Re: Betty and Others]
100522, x_justin, Dec 17, 2001 01:47 PM [Re:you want to know whats not fair]
100562, x_Nichole, Dec 18, 2001 10:02 AM [Re:you want to know whats not fair]
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