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Thread (Discussion): Poll 1045 - If there was a mass exodus of released convicted sex offenders from the United States to another ... - oicu812
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Discuss Poll 1045 - If there was a mass exodus of released convicted sex offenders from the United States to another country, due to how they perceive they're treated by the U.S. government and society, how would you feel?
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Message 162549 (In Reply to Message 162378)
Posted by dp1
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I find it interesting with all the talk about leaving the country around this place that not one RSO bothered to respond to this poll. OK. I'll nibble the bait first.
I can understand to a point from a RSO perspective as to wanting to leave the country. While I think it's quite drastic on one hand, but on the other hand it's not my beautiful mug plastered on the internet, so it's really unfair to judge someone's decision for wanting to leave. However, there's something un-American about giving RSOs the boot from the 2,500 foot rules up to making their life almost impossible to live without an enormous amount of stress. I am in favor of the registries and buffer zones, but the extremes we've seen lately tell me that people are fed up and simply want them to go away. I would not be proud of supporting unreasonable restrictions. I believe a mass exodus would be a clear indicator that our society has become dysfunctional. I'm afraid that if we continue booting sex offenders until we are satisfied they are wiped out the enjoyment might cause us to start hating another enemy and the cycle may continune. If some people would just get some tissues for their issues and get real and deal a mass exodus would not be necessary.
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dp1 wrote:
I'm afraid that if we continue booting sex offenders until we are satisfied they are wiped out the enjoyment might cause us to start hating another enemy and the cycle may continune.
Unfortunately you are correct. Some other crime will become the poster child for the whipping block. We have already seen the war on drugs, and now we have the war on terrorism, and the war on sex offenders. Who else will be next? Especially when you consider the laws that have been passed in these "wars" to curtail that person's rights. And since those laws have been declared constitutional, they can be applied to anyone our dear ole government see fit. People aren't concerned with their civil rights until it affects them, and by that time it is too late.
--Navigatr1
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Posted by orolan
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I did respond. Don't know where it went, though. Lost in the sectors of Steve's HDD no doubt, never to resurface;-))
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Posted by orolan
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might cause us to start hating another enemy
Actually I think the next one is going to be really bad. It won't be politicians and the media creating a hype and passing laws that the public doesn't really want.
It will be the public, sick of an ever-growing ever-increasing government that takes more and more away in the name of "freedom", who will rise up in armed rebellion. The next "enemy" will be the government.
"Our fellow citizens have been led hoodwinked from their principles by a most extraordinary combination of circumstances. But the band is removed, and they now see for themselves." --Thomas Jefferson
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Message 162627 (In Reply to Message 162622)
Get out now
Posted by vrtk86697
on Sep 25, 2005 03:24 AM | Also by vrtk86697
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I can't believe so many states are passing lifetime probation laws for sex offenders and drug offenders. If I was a sex offender on life time probation.. I would leave this cess pool country in a heart beat. Of course that would mean being on the run and even more dangerous. Lifetime probation is dangerous to society.
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dp1 wrote:
I find it interesting with all the talk about leaving the country around this place that not one RSO bothered to respond to this poll.
What is even more interesting is that none of the roughly 50% of the people who responded to the poll by rejoicing if sex offenders left the country have not commented on it in this thread.
I would have expected comments filled with hatred towards sex offenders, and how glad they would be if the sex offenders left.
--Navigatr1
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opinions
Posted by mjc123
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I think that people need to establish who is really a sex offender. For example, someone who is 18 and older whom sleeps with a 14 yr old and it is there only offense and it was consensual dipite peoples views on whether a 14 yr old knows what they are doing , i do not feel that these people should be listed as sex offenders, and should get mandatory counseling and probation, if they do it again then the punishment should be more extreme. But If a 14 yr.old can't understand enough to consent to sex, but can raise children or be tried as an adult for more serious crimes then i belive people are being hypocritical to say they can't consent to sex. Teens are not like they were and are alot more persistant then most people like to see.
I just feel that it is unfair to list people as sex offenders when they are not. When i think of a sex offender , i think of someone who preys on children or watches them studies them and takes them against there will. Those people should be locked up. But u can't say that is just adults that do it, and u cant say teens don't know what they are doing. So... I don't feel moving them to another country for all those who have commited minor things like consensual sex with a minor shouldnt have to register and shouldn't be made to move. All those who impose a bigger threat should.
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So... I don't feel moving them to another country for all those who have commited minor things like consensual sex with a minor shouldnt have to register and shouldn't be made to move. All those who impose a bigger threat should.
Sorry if there was any confusion, but the poll was about sex offenders willingly chosing to move to another country, not being forced to move.
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Message 162750 (In Reply to Message 162549)
I would rejoice!
Posted by Renunciation
on Sep 26, 2005 07:13 PM | Also by Renunciation
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I was holding my fingertips for a moment.
I am not too surprised at the results and I wonder how many RSOs actually voted that they would rejoice?
I did.
I am thinking about starting a company called Rap-Tore that will get private funding from other nations and businesses interesting in hiring and granting citizenship to RSOs who have particular skill sets, or who's loved ones have particular skills.
RSOs or their families would apply to the Rap-Tore Foundation for jobs/countries that are listed.
The draw would be that most US Ex-Pat workers work for US wages plus, but when recruited through Rap-Tore, these people would be working for prevailing wage in the new country. This should appeal to some nations that are deficient in certain skills. The foundation would cover transportation costs and initial housing costs, whatever the new nation would require to ensure the new residents will not become a burden, but an asset.
Rap-Tore would hire a screening specialist who would do their very best to ensure the offender leaving is at low risk to re-offend sexually.
The high-risk offenders would stay in the United States. Good place for them.
Rap-Tore would be foriegn owned company, not subject to US law, and applicants would apply thusly.
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Message 162768 (In Reply to Message 162378)
Not a lot of choices
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Most countries will not accept felons so there are not many choices open if you only speak english.
But if the proposed bills in the Congress and Senate become law you may begin to see the low level sex offenders start to move in this direction.
Personally I would look at Canada since I am not a felon and with the help of a lawyer could imigrate. With my skills I would have no problem finding a job.
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Message 162791 (In Reply to Message 162768)
Posted by Renunciation
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Luckily I learn languages fast!
It is surprisingly easy to get work overseas speakingonly English because almost every country teaches English as a second language.
The biggest barrier would be accepting lower wages and actually getting there.
Never said it would be easy, but I think nations that are part of the Axis of Evil would be overjoyed at the "coup" they would get, Americans going to their nation and dogging the US, even if they ARE felons!
Imagine 10,000 America offenders and 10,000 more of thier loved ones landing in Teheran... the media would FREAK out. lol.
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Posted by Scaye
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How about how that country would feel?
I think we have to fix our country. We have more crime etc then any other country... we really need to look at ourselves. The number of murders here is staggering each year.
I don't want to leave home... besides everyone should be able to identify with the fact that running away from a problem never truly solves it.
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Message 163447 (In Reply to Message 162768)
Posted by oicu812
on Oct 04, 2005 12:58 PM | Also by oicu812
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actually, most countries have no preference as to whether or not a felon or so enters their country. some do have residency restrictions and a few do refuse residency visas to felons, but those are few. i have heard much nonsense about "can't" go here, "can't" go there. it really is nonsense. it is in the same nonsense class as farm grants to ex-cons, ssi benefits to ex-cons, etc.
but be warned: you better have your thinking staight and be in excellent control and management of your thinking and of your life. moving to and living abroad is a MAJOR stress on ones life. it will absolutely throw you into thinking errors and distortions if you allow it to. and the lack of external control, i.e. law enforcement, in many less developed countries provides the perfect environment to slip back into high risk behaviors. so you better have your internal control of yourself very finely tuned and a damned good plan to establish some sort of support system wherever you go.
also, remember that you are in a foreign country. the judicial system in the usa is a luxury of fairness and comfort compared to most countries. you choose to offend there and you may be lucky to survive.
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Posted by oicu812
on Oct 04, 2005 05:57 PM | Also by oicu812
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i can understand that. i did leave. i did not do to run away, rather i left to spare my family some difficult times due to some very harrassing people they were having to endure as long as i was within a bus ticket's distance. i did make the most of it and prepared well, i think. now everyone is acceptibly happy and harrassment free.
as far as being on the run, be careful with that thinking! if you do decide to leave, plan well and far in advance. do your homework. make sure your registration statute even makes a provision for the possibility of leaving the country. my state did not. as the law read, the local authority had to be able to verify that i had established residency and reported to the new jurisdiction. this they were not willing to do, as they could not speak the foreign language. they determined that as an so under registration restrictions i was not eligible to leave the country for more than 3 months at a time. they decided that i must come back to register every three months or be charged with non-compliance and face the life sentence music for failing to register that they now have in this state.
i had to petition the court and get a judge to rule on the issue. the judge ruled that no registration law can prevent an so from leaving as long as all the change of registration jurisdiction forms were filled out to best of my ability. since local authorities have zero authority to verify with a foreign police department, it was necessary only to give them the city in which i intended to live. there are two reasons for this. most people don't have permanent residency established for several weeks. also, what happens if i decided to stay there for a few days and move on to another country. as it was i really did not have a permanent address arranged until several weeks later when i arranged for my residency visa.
i sure did not want a felony warrant being issued for my arrest. that would be really bad. any international airport would most likely see that and i would be detained until...well, who knows?
if you do decide to leave, do it for the right reasons. there are tremendous oppurtunities around the world for skilled people. if you are adventurous and able to learn a foreign language quick and use non-verbal communication well, you can get along pretty well. but the separation from ones family is a little painful, so be prepared to get a support system in place immediately upon arrival. you know the possible consequences if you fall back into thinking distortions and risky behavior, right?
i have gained quite a bit of knowledge about foreign travel over the years and even more as a traveling felon. there are many myths out there about traveling abroad as a felon. i would be happy to share that knowledge for anyone who really thinks they would be better off abroad.
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Posted by Renunciation
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You left, but failed to do one more step in the process I encourage.
You kept your US citizenship.
I support leaving and publicly renouncing US citizenship. Then US registration laws no longer apply, period.
Call Al Jazeera and have them film you and your family publicly burning your US passports...... Make a huge scene..... after all, we ALL have the right to be Stateless and the US cannot overrule International human Law and force you not to be Stateless.
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Posted by Renunciation
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the judicial system in the usa is a luxury of fairness and comfort compared to most countries. you choose to offend there and you may be lucky to survive.
Well said.
I would stress this as the most important of all issues, that no one leave to re-offend. If you plan to re-offend, the United States is the best place to do it.
If you do not plan to re-offend, remember no one really believes you and you can contribute much more to another country than you would be allowed to contribute in the US.
The US does not deserve any contributions that could be made by offenders or their banished families. Thi includes former missile technicians who choose to move to Iran.
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Message 163561 (In Reply to Message 163506)
Posted by oicu812
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i guess i can see your point on making a statement and shedding your us citizenship. but in practical terms that is a problem for me. being a us citizen entitles you to travel nearly anywhere in the world as a tourist without having to get a visa. interestingly enough you don't even need a visa to visit north korea!
i left, not to run away from the hassle and scorn, but to help my family and lifelong childhood friend get back to a normal life. they were being targeted and harrassed terribly and stood to suffer greatly. in fact it was their children who would have suffered the most.
i hear what you are saying, but that kind of anger is not healthy for me to engage in. if i let that thinking guide my motivation, i would most likely be reoffending as we speak. i chose instead to focus on making things better for myself, finding and creating oppurtunity that makes me happy.
the only real bad thing is that my family and my friend do miss me more than i anticipated and it has caused them some heartache, especially around the holidays. that sucks.
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Posted by orolan
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being a us citizen entitles you to travel nearly anywhere in the world as a tourist without having to get a visa
I disagree strongly. There isn't enough space to type the names of the countries that don't give a horse's twit that you have a US passport. Heck, you can't even go to Mexico without getting a visa. Unless you're only staying for 2 days and within 15 miles or so of the border. I know because I lived there for four years. That passport didn't do me a bit of good when we went all over Central and South America, either. Had to get a visa for every one of them and in certain countries the passport was actually a hindrance.
interestingly enough you don't even need a visa to visit north korea!
Care to provide some proof of that? The Democratic People's Republic of Korea says you WILL have an entry visa before you can come in to their country and those visas are approved or denied on an individual basis by the Foreign Ministry.
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Posted by oicu812
on Oct 06, 2005 02:20 PM | Also by oicu812
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i must apologize for that info on north korea. i overlooked the fact that i do not need a visa to go there, as a tourist, because i have a chinese residency visa and an expert license. this is why i don't need a visa for north korea. my sincerest apology. i have been here for long enough now that sometimes it does not occur to me that having chinese residency and expert papers do exempt me from a few places, such as north korea, vietnam, cambodia, laos, indonesia, and a hand full of others. but...the rest of the info i provided stands.
what a coincidence! i lived in mexico for 3 years in a little village called yelapa, near puerto vallarta. that's where they filmed part of the movie "predator", hehe. i did not need a visa until i decided to live there, and then it was a residency certificate that i needed, not an actual visa pasted in my passport.
let's take a trip through central and south america, as you claim you have done. if we can't go anywhere as you say, then i stand corrected and shamed. if we can, you are not for real. time for you to get treatment and shed yourself of all those thinking distortions, like "victim stance" and "poor me". at the bottom of the page are two sites where you can check it out for yourself. keep in mind that if you stay and want to establish residency, you must get a residency visa in all countries.
first stop, mexico. uh oh, no visa required. maybe a tourist card if you are so inclined. in fact we don't even need a passport. just a us drivers license or other proof of us citizenship.
next stop guatemala. oh no! no visa required again. just a passport. maybe it's a big conspiracy following that huge black cloud over your head.
on to belize. easy breeze in belize. no visa required. hmm.
how 'bout honduras? boo hoo, no one wants a visa from us!
el salvador! no visa required, but we must suffer horribly by purchasing a $10 dollar tourist card on the airline or when we get to the airport. the el salvadorans must hate chomos!
let's skip on to nicaragua. once again, no visa required.
i'm tiring of all this work trying to get rejected! boo hoo i want to be rejected! how can i be a victim if no one will enable me?
enough! we can go to costa rica, panama, columbia, venezuela, french guiana, ecuador, peru, bolivia, chile, argentina, uraguay, and all carribean countries (except cuba) with no visa.
guyana, suriname, brazil and paraguay do require visas. we can get a guyanan visa at the airport. the rest take a couple of days to get on a multitude of internet passport/visa services.
how about the rest of the world? the carribean - no visa, except for cuba, hong kong - no visa, macau - no visa, austria - no visa, etc. just read the list at the sites below.
keep in mind that what the official info states is sometimes very far from the truth. for example, the chinese tell the world that you must have documentation and proof of your organized tour in china before they will give you a tourist visa, and all sorts of other intimidating nonsense for other types of visas. the truth is that you can fly into hong kong or macau and have a legtimate tourist visa in an hour. it is just how the chinese posture. chinese do a lot of talking, but very little acting.
now let's see some proof of all these wild claims from various sources that a felon and/or especially an so cannot go to canada, australia, new zealand, etc. i'm not seeing that. i saw only that a felon must check with the canadian embassy if they wish to obtain a resident visa and reside there. let's try to get the info straight and not use distortions to waste valuable time.
again, i wish to apologize for that north korean reference. my bad. i was there last summer. it sucks. imagine a beautiful shiny cadillac. then, when you open the doors to see the beauty inside, you find that the rotten remains of starving people have been in there for years and dirty animals have used the inside for some time. that is north korea. don't go there.
http://www.traveldocs.com/mx/vr.htm
http://travel.state.gov/travel/tips/brochures/brochures_1229.html#m
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Message 163678 (In Reply to Message 162627)
Posted by oicu812
on Oct 06, 2005 03:33 PM | Also by oicu812
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on the subject of those under lifetime supervision, just how would one get out of the country? if they have to be supervised the rest of their life, how could they leave without being in violation of their supervision?
i can't imagine any case manager letting their charge go. maybe a judge would if the so could give a good reason.
anyone ever heard of anything like this come up? anyone with some facts on the issue?
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Posted by oicu812
on Oct 06, 2005 03:53 PM | Also by oicu812
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i am certain that other countries would not want all the so's to come to their country. but those so's leaving, even in a mass exodus, would most likely be relatively small in number. many would be fugitives who may end up arrested at the airport anyway. i guess one might have to give some numbers to mass exodus.
running away, no. but refusing to participate in a process that gets out of hand, yes. unfortunately, if you do not participate and comply with society's demands you will more criminal wrath.
i know how you feel about not wanting to leave. but there are some fantastic oppurtunities abroad. taking your family is not as difficult as it may seem with the right planning and attitude. if you leave, do so with the attitude of wanting to better your standard of living for you and your family. just like people do in really bad neighborhoods or communities that are severely depressed economicly.
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Message 164684 (In Reply to Message 162378)
Bye Bye Y'all
Posted by watermelon
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I will be relocating outside of the borders of this country as soon as possible. Not only due to my offense, there are many other issues I have with the direction of things in this nation, but the manner and direction with which society is handling perpetrators of sexuals assault is dispicable, and I no longer want to participate. So, I not only refuse to be a part of the problem any longer - I register and fulfill the rest of my obligations - but I have no interest in being part of the 'solution' either.
The world is a big place, and I agree with those who say there is much out there.
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Message 164710 (In Reply to Message 164684)
Posted by Valerie
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Navigator this one is for you....go ahead leave, with our borders being what they are...there will be 5 to take your place...I would say you have some lofty expectations of a mass exodus, then the country focusing on another group....will never get that far...for every Citizen actually born here that decided to leave...there will be five illegals to take your place.....and you wonder why Florida is fed up?
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Message 164720 (In Reply to Message 164710)
Posted by Navigatr1
on Oct 16, 2005 01:34 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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Valerie wrote:
Navigator this one is for you....go ahead leave, with our borders being what they are
Huh??? You are replying to Watermelon's comment, but using my name. I never said that I was leaving. However, I did comment in another part of the tread that if all the sex offenders left, society would just turn their focus on some other type of offender. Hey if it worked so good to get rid of sex offenders, they why wouldn't it work to rid our country of all criminals?
--Navigatr1
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Message 164726 (In Reply to Message 164720)
Posted by Valerie
on Oct 16, 2005 01:51 PM | Also by Valerie
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It aint gonna happen, when all is said and done,,,the majority of SO's arent going anywhere...in as much as they hate societies repercussions, they still know where there bread is buttered ...and the fear of the unfamiliar will never let them follow thru....Now I'll generalize for a moment...I have observed that many sex offenders offended to people who were in a weaker position than they, kinda like their MO...pick on someone who cant fight back ...I maybe wrong and I am sure YOU will correct me...but I cant visualize one of these guys actually gettin up the kahunas to move into the unknown...
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Posted by Valerie
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I need to add to that last post that I have been looking, not intensively researching but browsing every now and then into the trials and tribulations of retiring outside the country....I pretty much know at this point what my economic circumstance will be in the next twenty years barring nothing catastrophic falling from the sky...but I digress, anyway there are many positive aspects to living someplace else but the negatives are gigantic...in terms of health care, owning and being able to deed property...etc...and forget about renouncing US citizenship, in as much as some posters will swear its a detriment in the eyes of some parts of the world....it overall gives you the powers and protections that some countries would never provide to their own citizens.....
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Posted by PVulcan
on Oct 16, 2005 05:10 PM | Also by PVulcan
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Now THAT is hilarious! You may have wanted to think about your "participation" before you committed your crime, then the word dispicable might have a little more meaning to you..
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Posted by watermelon
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You know, as an American citizen, although I wasn't born here, I'll sure be upset when we get a hand on all those illegals coming in, and I gotta pay $6 for a McDonalds hamburger, or the streets are full of trash, or there aren't any tomatos on my Taco Bell because noone can afford to pay Americans to pick em.
Sadly enough, there will be 5 to take his place, because we all know that the true-blooded American way of solving the problem (i.e. put more people in jail but god forbid we teach good interpersonal skills at an early age) is gonna work one of these days.
But, yes, I do wonder why Florida is fed up.
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Message 164770 (In Reply to Message 164740)
dispicable
Posted by watermelon
on Oct 17, 2005 12:40 AM | Also by watermelon
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Don't you, for one second, think there shouldn't have been reprecussions for my actions. I sure as hell wish there hadn't been, but I can guarantee that I would be in a much worse place if I hadn't gotten in trouble. That being said, the levels of ignorance that surround the majority of responses to sexual assaults is dispicable, and speaks only to the level of ignorance that pervades this fine country.
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Message 164881 (In Reply to Message 164770)
Posted by Valerie
on Oct 18, 2005 04:12 AM | Also by Valerie
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Yea your right we are ignorant because we are sick and tired of dealing with this crap...and if the punishment isnt everything you think it should be...all of a sudden We are the bad guys...c'mon?...no we dont have it right, but thru all of societies muddling of trying to dispose of this problem....you guys just keep on keepin on as they say...if offenders cant fix themselves...why do you think Society has some majic potion? Thats whats so funny here and pathetic...the registries are screwed up, probation is screwed cause they knock on your door at 1 am, cant live where you want, have to report too often, oh man I can go on and on and on...listen when you get it right and realize messin with kids isnt exactly the thing to do, maybe society will get it right and give you the punishment you think you deserve.....deal?
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Message 165032 (In Reply to Message 162627)
Posted by crystal125
on Oct 19, 2005 09:37 PM | Also by crystal125
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i agree that lifetime probation for sex offenders is ludacris. Isn't it bad enough that they must register for life. It's not fair to all of them. i completely understand if they are repeated offenders. But first time offenders should not have to register or be on probation for life. what ever happened to a second chance and fairness???
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Message 165167 (In Reply to Message 165032)
Posted by Valerie
on Oct 21, 2005 12:13 PM | Also by Valerie
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Lets think about that one for a minute...umm do you mean by first time offenders the first time the person offended? Or do you mean the first time he was caught and brought thru the system? Or do you mean the first time the guy patted a 15 year old on the butt? Or do you mean the first time a guy grabbed a 7 year old off the street and raped them, then threw them out of the car? Just what is your definition of a first timer?
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Message 165247 (In Reply to Message 165167)
Posted by Valerie
on Oct 22, 2005 12:44 PM | Also by Valerie
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I am not gettin an answer here....first timers are portrayed as misunderstood, wrongfully convicted and punished too hard...if people determine punishment by what order their crime was in ..we have a big problem and should probably travel back to the fifties..
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Message 166027 (In Reply to Message 162378)
Posted by Navigatr1
on Nov 01, 2005 02:07 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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Talk about people being cold on this board. The poll results show that roughly 50% of the people who participated in this poll would rejoice if the sex offenders left, while only 33% would be ashamed. So who is being cold?
--Navigatr1
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Message 166147 (In Reply to Message 165247)
Posted by oicu812
on Nov 02, 2005 05:11 AM | Also by oicu812
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you bring up a good point. think i'll start a thread in other side on an idea that might help.
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Message 167211 (In Reply to Message 162627)
lifetime probation
Posted by colosmiley
on Nov 12, 2005 02:06 PM | Also by colosmiley
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Why would you be against this? I see it as a great thing. In fact, the laws they have currently aren't strict enough. These people are feeding off the lives of our societies children, that's OK with you?
Wow
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Message 167997 (In Reply to Message 165032)
Posted by eeyore45
on Nov 25, 2005 01:27 AM | Also by eeyore45
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They need to do away with LIFETIME PROBATION. A person that commits a crime for the first time might do a plea agreement which might get them probation but that should not be lifetime. They can agree to as much as maybe 7 years and that is long enough. No matter what they still will have to register as a sex offender. You can only punish a person for so long.
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Message 168063 (In Reply to Message 167997)
Posted by Valerie
on Nov 26, 2005 01:21 PM | Also by Valerie
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Take it in a different perpective, try determining what is actually a registerable offense? Perhaps if we cut out the crap, we can deal with the truly bad guys effectively. We tighten our borders and deport the repeat criminals, Anything forcible is a one strike your out...you know if we just clean things up a bit, this Romeo stuff, they dont need treatment, they need a course in the law, like a drivers course ya take when you dont want the points...flashers, I am reading about them more and more, not quite sure about the mindset of those, but a law course and someform of treatment, anyone see COPS and the MartiGra segment, woman standing on the balcony exposing her breast, heck everyone was drunk, some college kid could barely stand, undoes his pants ..cops all over him and charge him with L&L, rediculous, let him spend a night in jail and sober up.I say spend the time effort and funds on what society deems a danger or potential danger and cut out the crap. Fine tune the registry requirements by some form of community service. So many hours and the person has the ability to remove himself from the registry. You know if we went back and revamped punishment 101, we might all be ahead of the game. But just so I am clear..there are many many people out there who would bring harm to us or our loved ones and wouldnt give it a second thought, for those stiff long sentences, and civil commitment until they rot and die in a cell...
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Message 168131 (In Reply to Message 168063)
Posted by orolan
on Nov 28, 2005 01:44 AM | Also by orolan
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That sounds pretty funny coming from you. Especially since my organization has done so much on the national level to shift the focus to the truly dangerous. An organization that you don't think too highly of. What's the deal? Fixing the problem is only acceptable if people like you do it?
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Message 168173 (In Reply to Message 168131)
Posted by Valerie
on Nov 29, 2005 12:44 AM | Also by Valerie
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I never said I didnt think highly of what you were doing, everything I read you said you were envolved with sounded good to me....You dont speak much about it....and quite frankly I did know you had an Organization, I thought you were doing much of this yourself....hey go for it...let us know more....you never know you might just be the one to bring everyone together.....dont think we'll be doing cocktail parties, which has nothing to do with your status by the way...
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Message 168189 (In Reply to Message 162378)
Great
Posted by poetsdreamscape
on Nov 29, 2005 10:57 AM | Also by poetsdreamscape
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I would think that for the most part alot of society could care less. I myself have no intentions of living in this country when I retire and would urge all offenders to consider relocating.Reading some of the posts here I have a bit more to add. First of all society is not tired off all these so called offenders as someone stated.In fact most people I have talked to don't believe the registry does any good at all in its current stage but creates more problems and anger.Most people understand that sex offenders have been around for ages as well as other criminals that some may feel are more of a danger , not all people are afraid of offenders and no law will prevent this from happening as we continue to have new offenses daily.The laws werent created by masses of the voting people they were created by a handful of politicians and those that wanted to seek publicity for their anger since most don't percieve they got fair justice or were used by politicians to further their own agenda. I have to agree with another post that after the rso agenda is over there will be other targets to go after which I am sure is already in the works somewhere.I believe the next registry will be smaller categories of felony offenses , arson, burglery, thefts etc before all crimes are put on a segregated registry.The RSO registry is being used now as a trial to see how far local goverment can control an individuals freedoms and rights and to alter the constitution.For the most part we already live in a police state that borders dictatorship. It's a matter of time before we as a whole become a nation of such.
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Message 168190 (In Reply to Message 168063)
val
Posted by poetsdreamscape
on Nov 29, 2005 11:11 AM | Also by poetsdreamscape
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[But just so I am clear..there are many many people out there who would bring harm to us or our loved ones and wouldnt give it a second thought, for those stiff long sentences, and civil commitment until they rot and die in a cell...[quote/]
see my earlier post- American Jihad- it's only a matter of time!
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Message 172799 (In Reply to Message 162378)
Posted by relativ17
on Feb 06, 2006 05:38 AM | Also by relativ17
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I would definitely understand their motivation, & those who were served by “unjust courts” - I would understand their disgust. The Sex Offender Registry was set up to monitor the extremely dangerous. It has been abused & diluted to the point of being ineffective for its purpose & detrimental to families & society. Its created many more problems than it solved. How many families will it destroy? Anybody can be accused & convicted as in the Salem witch trials. How many teenagers will be coerced into admitting to a lie that will destroy their lives to satisfy the agenda immoral greedy authorities & contracted agencies? The poor don’t have a chance. As this affects more & more families, America will witness how dishonorably some courts are operating
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Message 173627 (In Reply to Message 164881)
despicable
Posted by meli
on Feb 23, 2006 04:27 AM | Also by meli
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Hate to be a spelling nazi...but....It is d-e-s-p-i-c-a-b-l-e.
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Message 174205 (In Reply to Message 168189)
Posted by mawmaw
on Mar 03, 2006 07:47 PM | Also by mawmaw
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I urge all offenders to relocate to another country !
Great ! Go for it and just gitt !
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Message 174485 (In Reply to Message 163678)
oicu812
Posted by rodsmith
on Mar 13, 2006 08:02 PM | Also by rodsmith
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that's easy...and no court required.....once they have done something like that the govt has abograted it's rights as far as a normal society is concerned...just pick a border any border and walk across it...they usually watch those entering way more than the ones going out...once out pick a country and when you get there simply apply for asslym from opression....and renounce your us citizenship.....as long as you don't pick a country under the us thumb you should be pretty safe...as more and more country and looking at the us and saying no we won't extradite to you....even the english are starting to yell about it.....as they have signed the tready with the us and the us has wasted no time and asking for british citizens to be tried here...but has dragged its heels on ratifieing the agreement so the british can do the same thing....
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162378, admin, Sep 22, 2005 01:30 PM [Introduction]
162549, dp1, Sep 24, 2005 02:56 AM
162579, Navigatr1, Sep 24, 2005 02:17 PM
162622, orolan, Sep 25, 2005 01:32 AM
162627, vrtk86697, Sep 25, 2005 03:24 AM [Get out now]
163496, oicu812, Oct 04, 2005 05:57 PM
163506, Renunciation, Oct 04, 2005 08:13 PM
163561, oicu812, Oct 05, 2005 03:55 AM
163630, orolan, Oct 06, 2005 01:12 AM
163665, oicu812, Oct 06, 2005 02:20 PM
163678, oicu812, Oct 06, 2005 03:33 PM
174485, rodsmith, Mar 13, 2006 08:02 PM [oicu812]
165032, crystal125, Oct 19, 2005 09:37 PM
165167, Valerie, Oct 21, 2005 12:13 PM
165247, Valerie, Oct 22, 2005 12:44 PM
166147, oicu812, Nov 02, 2005 05:11 AM
167997, eeyore45, Nov 25, 2005 01:27 AM
168063, Valerie, Nov 26, 2005 01:21 PM
168131, orolan, Nov 28, 2005 01:44 AM
168173, Valerie, Nov 29, 2005 12:44 AM
168190, poetsdreamscape, Nov 29, 2005 11:11 AM [val]
167211, colosmiley, Nov 12, 2005 02:06 PM [lifetime probation]
162620, orolan, Sep 25, 2005 01:23 AM
162701, Navigatr1, Sep 26, 2005 05:48 AM
162718, mjc123, Sep 26, 2005 01:48 PM [opinions]
162719, steve, Sep 26, 2005 02:09 PM
162750, Renunciation, Sep 26, 2005 07:13 PM [I would rejoice!]
162768, wildbro, Sep 26, 2005 11:52 PM [Not a lot of choices]
162791, Renunciation, Sep 27, 2005 04:01 AM
163447, oicu812, Oct 04, 2005 12:58 PM
163508, Renunciation, Oct 04, 2005 08:18 PM
162855, Scaye, Sep 27, 2005 09:45 PM
163680, oicu812, Oct 06, 2005 03:53 PM
164684, watermelon, Oct 16, 2005 03:11 AM [Bye Bye Y'all]
164710, Valerie, Oct 16, 2005 11:32 AM
164720, Navigatr1, Oct 16, 2005 01:34 PM
164726, Valerie, Oct 16, 2005 01:51 PM
164727, Valerie, Oct 16, 2005 02:05 PM
164769, watermelon, Oct 17, 2005 12:35 AM
164740, PVulcan, Oct 16, 2005 05:10 PM
164770, watermelon, Oct 17, 2005 12:40 AM [dispicable]
164881, Valerie, Oct 18, 2005 04:12 AM
173627, meli, Feb 23, 2006 04:27 AM [despicable]
166027, Navigatr1, Nov 01, 2005 02:07 PM
168189, poetsdreamscape, Nov 29, 2005 10:57 AM [Great]
174205, mawmaw, Mar 03, 2006 07:47 PM
172799, relativ17, Feb 06, 2006 05:38 AM
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