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Thread (Discussion): Poll 1044 - Are you in favor of banishing convicted sex offenders to an island? - yes
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Posted by admin
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Discuss Poll 1044 - Are you in favor of banishing convicted sex offenders to an island?
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Huh?
Posted by HaveSeenAllSides
on Sep 06, 2005 03:12 AM | Also by HaveSeenAllSides
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No. This is just crazy. This one has to be a joke. Banishing convicted sex offenders to an island? Wasn't there a movie years ago similar to this, but with murderers? What about their families? Go or stay? This would be too much.
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Only if the island was near the South Pole. (lol)
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Weren't criminals once banished to Austrailia? And look what happened. Now it is a country. Austrailia was once a prison.
--Navigatr1
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Off Topic
Posted by dp1
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That's an interesting piece of history Navigatr1. How about this one? Who's the idiot that decided to drain off the marshland in LA, build a bunch of levees and call the dried out land New Orleans?
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Posted by orolan
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LaSalle did that. Tried it once at Biloxi, tried it again at New Orleans, finally went upriver and founded Natchitoches, then came back down and started the levee system that exists today.
Think about this though. The Spanish TOOK it from the Indians. It was GIVEN to the French. But us, good ol' USA, we actually PAID the French for that drained off swamp! And the French have been laughing about it ever since.
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I won't even dignify this stupidity with a vote.
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Posted by rabbitreborn
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do we get to pick the island? If so my vote is for Hawaii. The idea itself is ludicrious but somehow, I can see some on this forum that would jump at the chance to make it a reality.
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Posted by amberleaf
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Really funny
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It's not a joke. Several forum members have (both sex offenders and anti-offenders) have suggested it as an idea. Maybe the sex offenders meant in tongue-in-cheek, but I added the poll to see what site visitors think. For the record, I'm not in favor of banishing convicts to an island, though I believe Navigatr1 is right - pretty sure Australia was an 18th century British penal colony.
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Too funny. Two things...
1) Are the majority too cowardly to post or is Steve too good? :)
2) How many of them are sex offenders? Meaning they commited SOME sex offense and SOME time (not all that hard to do, nowadays, ask Arnie) but they never got caught. So "convicted" is key.
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Orlan...
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wow do we actually agre on something here, you and I? lol, ( if you want to call it that).....
well, you all know my response to this odd poll, but I will give it anyhow, of course , yes, but why an island I ask? that may be too nice, eh?
anti
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Posted by Renunciation
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I have worked in Patagonia..........
I would LOVE to be banished with my family there.
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Posted by steve
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Too funny. Two things...
Well, I didn't think some would appreciate the idea suggested, but I thought they'd still be interested in the outcome of the poll.
1) Are the majority too cowardly to post or is Steve too good? :)
What do you mean by "is Steve too good"? Maybe I'm too dense right now...
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In a way, it seems like a sick idea. However, it's worse allowing them back into society without being fully rehabilitated.
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Banish them somewhere
Posted by kids1st
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I don't know so much about banishing them to an island. Only if it was cold and they didn't get to enjoy themselves. Maybe if they were banned to an island of rocks and had to bust rocks from daylight to dark, it would get rid of whatever frustration causes them to prey upon innocent victims!
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I agree Kate
Posted by kids1st
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I fully agree with you on that point. Releasing them back into society without properly rehabilitating them (if this is possible) is only putting more innocent people in danger. The laws we have now are not really protecting anyone. Look at how many children are kidnapped and killed by registered sex offenders.
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Posted by Valerie
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They already have one off the coast of Calif. I think. its CA...looks pretty cushy from the TV peice I saw on it...
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Posted by Valerie
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McNeil Island is the name of it...
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McNeil Island is located in Washington State -- not California. It is in Puget Sound just West of Tacoma. Anderson Island is just South of it.
--Navigatr1
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Posted by Valerie
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Either way ...look up the bannishment in the dictionary....whether it be an island or a civil commitment center or prison...some guys just dont need to be on the same street with society...
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Posted by Renunciation
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look up the bannishment in the dictionary
I can't find it.
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Besides sex offenders, is there anyone else that needs banishment? How about murderers? Armed robbers? Drug dealers? Child abusers? Alcoholics? Blacks? Jews? Arabs? Are there enough islands for all these people? Just curious.
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Posted by Valerie
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I know what your driving at..but I dont equate Blacks and Jews with child molesters.
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Posted by dp1
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Some people would Valerie. Why should we stop at sex offenders? Why don't we ban anyone we don't like or who may commit a crime against us?
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Posted by Valerie
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Dp1, whats up with you today...this question is not at all like you..why would you entertain the discussion of jackin someones DVD to rapin a kid...we go thru this all the time on this forum...yes all of us have our own prejudices for valid or perhaps not so valid reasons...culture, upbringing, environment, whatever...its what each person considers their own personal baggage...and it is what each person brings to the table...with all the injustices real or imagined pertaining to sex offenders....its the one crime considered by society to be heinous and inexcusable by the majority of the population. We cant go around and abuse little kids for our own sexual gratification and expect to have a healthy productive society , the damaging repercussions are too long term and cyclable....(spelling)
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Posted by Renunciation
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Comparing the crimes to each other is sill, I agree with you Doll Baby, but I thik what DP! and others are trying to point out is not comparing the crimes and have people delineate the "standard" of punishment, but that different things affect different people differently.
For example, combat vs a car accident and PTSD.
A man could be locked in a small and hot space for 72 hours, have missiles fired at him, be told these missiles are loaded with nerve gas and his gas mask not seal. He and his observer go through this and survive becasue that is what people to, they adapt to survive certain situation. Now some people would walk away from this with no issues, others could actually lose their marbles on the spot.
Now a woman who gets hit head on by a drunk driver and the resulting accident is gory, graphic and bloody could walk away from the accident with no problems or she could lose her marlbes on the spot, or anything in between.
Before you go off in a rant thinking I am being diversive and tangential, I am NOT comparing sexual abuse of minors or anyone with combat or car accidents. However, how events affect us varies from person to person.
A person who was the victim of a home invasion robbery can feel much more violated from that crime than they would feel from having sex before they were 18. So, in that case, the victim of the home invasion would feel like all people convicted of home invasion robberies should be banished as well.
The point being, human nature, history and common sense tell most people that laws designed to inflict post-punishment punishment on a certain group of people for retribution only do not stop at the first group of people, in this case it is NOT sex offenders, it is Indians, it only starts there. America has already set the precedent of modern enforced banishment of people. The Indians. We raped them in the name of the United States and banished them. If they refused, they were tortured and raped and killed. We interned the Japanese in WW2 and sold off their assets to fund the war effort. The things this nation, YOUR people Valerie, have done to the blacks between 1990-1965 almost puts slavery itself to shame! Your people, grandparents probably did not even consider a black man a human being! So now we have people commiting crimes that have always been committed among us. The reason for the culture shift is something that confuses me, for centurues only the Duncans were considered horrible people, but inter-familial incest and 14+ and adults was not treated as a crime. I think we are now facing hypocrisy in culture. Many of the people who scream to kill Couey go home and diddle their sons and daughters. Remember 95% of abuse goes unreported.
Where does it stop? Laws used for sex offenders are already overtaking other criminals AND non criminals alike. It is happening in your state... and it all started with one term, the term that has lead to sex offender banishment, will lead to drug dealer banishment and now is being used to banish in a way, law abiding citizens in florida..... "For the Greater Public Good"
One day your town may decide to evict you from your home "for the Greater Public good" and you can hopefully understand as historians and other empires long long before the US existed learned.... when you start with one group, it opens the door for everyone.
I might suggest sweet cakes that you get a DSM-IV and read it. Its not as interesting as gator hunting or cutting coupons, but it is very enlightening. You would learn something and somewhere in there, you might find yourself, your loved ones and yuppers, you'll find sex offenders in there too.
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Posted by brennus
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One day your town may decide to evict you from your home "for the Greater Public good" and you can hopefully understand as historians and other empires long long before the US existed learned.... when you start with one group, it opens the door for everyone.
Next stop on the Eviction Express, NO and Biloxi, MS! Like vultures, casinos and other land grabbers are already circling over the destroyed homes in that area, waiting to buy up the valuable riverfront and oceanfront property that people have lived in for generations. Some of the last undeveloped parcel of Gulf coastline will soon be just another playground for the rich. Those who are not bought out may be zoned out as cities make "deals with the devil" for much needed revenue.
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Posted by dp1
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Dp1, whats up with you today...this question is not at all like you..why would you entertain the discussion of jackin someones DVD to rapin a kid
I would never compare a sex criminal to a property criminal. What I don't understand is why some people are comparing sex offenders in the community as if they were prisoners and treating them as such. I'm all for cuffing 'em and stuffing 'em and hopefully throwing away the key if they hurt a child. But, banishment of offenders living in the free world has got to be the most uncivilized and hateful way to treat people I've seen in quite some time. If there truly are extremely dangerous RSOs living among us then let's identify them and work on a civil committment process for offenders not in prison. What is wrong with identifying the real problem and working on it instead of pushing it away for someone else to deal with?
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Posted by oicu812
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well said.
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Posted by kids1st
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Let's see. If you leave out Blacks, Jews, and Arabs, then maybe. I am not prejudiced. I love people of all races and ethnic backgrounds! I just don't think people who strip away a child's innocence in such a manner should be returned to the streets in order to do another child the same way!
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Well Said
Posted by kids1st
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That was very well said, Dp1. But this country is not doing anything about keeping sex offenders behind bars or giving the treatment needed before releasing them. That is actually what needs to be done instead of banishing them. Megan's Law is a crock. Registering your name and address does not protect children at the time of the crime. All it does is give the police somewhere to start after the child is found dead!
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Posted by dp1
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I just don't think people who strip away a child's innocence in such a manner should be returned to the streets in order to do another child the same way!
Jessica Lunsford's father feels the same way. Can't say that I blame him.
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Posted by Valerie
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Dont tell me the registries are useless...thats not true...you got a bad guy on your street that the system has failed to keep behind bars and you are aware that the guy is there, common sense tells you to take precautions not to let your kid go there....forewarned is forearmed....if all the registries in all the states saves one child from being victimized they are worth it, even with whatever inperfections come with them...thats where the devisiness comes in...You can count thousands of threads here of the unintended consequenses of the registries .....but all those stories dont mean crap if only one kid was spared the experience of abuse...
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Posted by Renunciation
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but all those stories dont mean crap if only one kid was spared the experience of abuse...
An excellent argument for an "All Criminal" databse and registry. If only ONE person is protected from victimization, than the registry of all people convicted of any crime is worth it.
I agree completely Val.
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Posted by kids1st
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Point Well Taken! I just get so frustrated when I hear of the children being kidnapped and killed by offenders who are registered. I just finished an essay for a college class on this subject and I think the research has me stressed out! And you are right. If the registries save one child, they are useful for something. But I think we need more than the registries in order to make the world a safer place for children.
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Posted by Valerie
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I dont know what your agreeing with, dont change my post...I am not in agreement with your "all inclusive registry" at least not yet...
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Posted by Navigatr1
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For this to happen, the sentencing laws will need to change so that they are tougher. You don't change punishment after the fact, and continue punishing someone because you felt they didn't get a tough enough sentence.
--Navigatr1
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People should be taking precautions irregardless of whether there are registries. Would people be taking the same precautions if the registries didn't exist? Everyone should be locking their windows and doors. How many do that? How many watch their kids when they are outside playing? These are all precautions people should be taking irregardless of the registries. However most people don't want to take personal responsibility for their actions.
--Navigatr1
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Posted by orolan
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strip away a child's innocence in such a manner
Care to define "such a manner"?
Want to explain the nuances of the manner in which a child's innocence was stripped away by that guy with the anime cartoon on his computer?
Or how about the innocence of that 17 year-old who has been screwing her classmates for 5 years but this time around she went for an 18 year-old. What innocence did he take?
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Posted by Renunciation
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Or how about the innocence of that 17 year-old who has been screwing her classmates for 5 years but this time around she went for an 18 year-old. What innocence did he take?
HEY!
Be nice.
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Clarify
Posted by kids1st
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Okay. Let me clarify where I stand on this issue. An adult viewing porn in the privacy of their own home(providing it is not child porn) has every right to do so and should not be considered a sex offender. A young man who has sex with his willing girlfriend should not be labeled as a sex offender. I have never agreed with the premises of Statutory Rape.
What I mean by stripping away a child's innocence in such a manner is this : a person old enough to know what sex is taking advantage of a child who is innocent and does not understand what the person is doing to them. Even if the person tricks them into thinking what they are doing is fun and is okay, it is wrong. Once an innocent child is taught what sex is by someone touching them in a manner that is not appropriate and is introduced to sex by having to participate in any form of sex (touching, actual intercourse, whatever) with an older person taking advantage of the child's innocence, the child can never go back to being the carefree, innocent child that the pervert destroyed! Been there,Experienced that!
A person should have a choice about when they are ready for sex! And when it is taken away from them for someone to satisfy an urge that they should be able to control, it is WRONG!
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Posted by kids1st
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I totally agree with that. The sentencing of sex offenders should be much tougher. I believe that before a sex offender is released back into society, he/she should have to participate in a counselling program that teaches him/her to control their behavior. I also feel that if a sex offender has more than one victim, the sentence should be life without parole. One time might be a mistake. Anything after that - intentional!
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Posted by crystal125
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not all sex offenders are bad. You really should reveiw who is classified as a sex offender. Not only that, maybe they are inocent and just wrongfully convicted.
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Posted by crystal125
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Valerie... if you were wrongfully convicted of a sex crime. it was all a set up...how would you feel if someone was saying that they wanted to banish you, even if you swore that you didn't do it
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yes
Posted by anti
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of course, as so long as there are no kids there, and only rso, no one else.
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160684, admin, Sep 05, 2005 08:33 PM [Introduction]
160696, HaveSeenAllSides, Sep 06, 2005 03:12 AM [Huh?]
160901, steve, Sep 08, 2005 02:42 AM
161144, prozac, Sep 10, 2005 11:13 PM
161349, steve, Sep 12, 2005 08:11 PM
160702, dp1, Sep 06, 2005 04:05 AM
160825, amberleaf, Sep 07, 2005 05:13 AM
161216, Renunciation, Sep 11, 2005 05:57 PM
160708, Navigatr1, Sep 06, 2005 04:28 AM
160716, dp1, Sep 06, 2005 05:32 AM [Off Topic]
160738, orolan, Sep 06, 2005 02:17 PM
160739, orolan, Sep 06, 2005 02:18 PM
161171, anti, Sep 11, 2005 09:10 AM [Orlan...]
160789, rabbitreborn, Sep 06, 2005 09:50 PM
161368, agentkate, Sep 13, 2005 03:41 AM
163746, kids1st, Oct 07, 2005 05:52 AM [I agree Kate]
163772, Valerie, Oct 07, 2005 02:24 PM
163773, Valerie, Oct 07, 2005 02:27 PM
163849, Navigatr1, Oct 08, 2005 02:20 PM
163902, Valerie, Oct 08, 2005 05:46 PM
163912, Renunciation, Oct 08, 2005 06:32 PM
165031, crystal125, Oct 19, 2005 09:26 PM
163745, kids1st, Oct 07, 2005 05:49 AM [Banish them somewhere]
165030, crystal125, Oct 19, 2005 09:23 PM
163956, dp1, Oct 09, 2005 02:06 PM
163959, Valerie, Oct 09, 2005 02:12 PM
163967, dp1, Oct 09, 2005 04:35 PM
163972, Valerie, Oct 09, 2005 05:03 PM
163976, Renunciation, Oct 09, 2005 05:41 PM
164011, brennus, Oct 09, 2005 11:23 PM
164035, dp1, Oct 10, 2005 06:52 AM
164045, oicu812, Oct 10, 2005 12:17 PM
164233, kids1st, Oct 12, 2005 05:43 AM [Well Said]
164301, Valerie, Oct 12, 2005 03:36 PM
164335, Renunciation, Oct 12, 2005 06:40 PM
164397, Valerie, Oct 13, 2005 11:23 AM
164336, kids1st, Oct 12, 2005 06:50 PM
164416, Navigatr1, Oct 13, 2005 02:26 PM
164229, kids1st, Oct 12, 2005 05:31 AM
164296, dp1, Oct 12, 2005 03:24 PM
164415, Navigatr1, Oct 13, 2005 02:19 PM
164470, kids1st, Oct 13, 2005 08:57 PM
164430, orolan, Oct 13, 2005 03:51 PM
164436, Renunciation, Oct 13, 2005 04:13 PM
164468, kids1st, Oct 13, 2005 08:52 PM [Clarify]
165810, anti, Oct 30, 2005 03:07 AM [yes]
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