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Thread (Discussion): Poll 1039 - Should homeless sex offenders be punished for not complying with registration laws that - why??
Message 130343
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Posted by admin
on Apr 13, 2004 08:06 PM | Also by admin
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Discuss Poll 1039 - Should homeless sex offenders be punished for not complying with registration laws that require them to register the address where they live?
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Message 130347 (In Reply to Message 130343)
Posted by dp1
on Apr 14, 2004 01:49 AM | Also by dp1
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Of course homeless people should be punished. All sex offenders should have to register even if they live in a box. Just register the box and the location. What possible excuse can someone have for not knowing where he'll put his head down each night?
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Message 130394 (In Reply to Message 130347)
Posted by orolan
on Apr 14, 2004 04:55 PM | Also by orolan
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What possible excuse can someone have for not knowing where he'll put his head down each night?
Quite evident that you have lived the carefree sheltered life. A truly transient homeless person can't tell you where they will sleep tonight, because they have no clue which train they will ride out on. They don't know if there ARE any boxes in the alley today, or if they will still be there tomorrow.
How about the local police precint for a registered address, and the SO stops by every few weeks to check in, or comes by to let them know he's going to be catching the 6:15 freight to Chicago on Track 9?
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Message 130406 (In Reply to Message 130343)
Mandatory Housing?
Posted by Silverthorne
on Apr 14, 2004 06:28 PM | Also by Silverthorne
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How about a flop-house for sex offenders only? If they require them to have a permanent residence they have to do something.
Silverthorne
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Message 130452 (In Reply to Message 130406)
Silver
Posted by dp1
on Apr 15, 2004 02:28 AM | Also by dp1
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Now you aren't suggesting that we break the new clustering laws are you? Can't go there....don't have the $100,000 extra dollars for the fines:-)
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Message 130479 (In Reply to Message 130343)
How can you?
Posted by fallenone
on Apr 15, 2004 08:30 PM | Also by fallenone
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How CAN you punish someone who is trying to comply with registration laws but can't because he has no place to live? I am speaking from experience. I did all my time, got out and I'm homeless. Every day I go out looking for a job in vain, I'm not allowed to stay in shelters, and I'm supposed to be able to find a place to live without assistance. So am I supposed to go to jail because circumstances are beyond my control?
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Message 130481 (In Reply to Message 130343)
How can you?
Posted by fallenone
on Apr 15, 2004 08:38 PM | Also by fallenone
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How CAN you punish someone who is trying to comply with registration laws but can't because he has no place to live? I am speaking from experience. I did all my time, got out and I'm homeless. Every day I go out looking for a job in vain, I'm not allowed to stay in shelters, and I'm supposed to be able to find a place to live without assistance. So am I supposed to go to jail because circumstances are beyond my control?
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Message 130505 (In Reply to Message 130479)
fallenone
Posted by dp1
on Apr 16, 2004 12:07 PM | Also by dp1
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Nothing personal about you. Just look at the big picture for a minute. Registries exist because people want them. They want to know where sex offenders live. They want to feel like they have some control over avoiding being victimized in the future. They want to know that the police and parole officers are checking on these guys and keeping everyone safe. Simply stated, people are afraid of sex offenders and fear for their safety as well as their children.
Now if you wanted all these things how would you feel about a sex offender with no address and no possible way for LE to track him?
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Message 130536 (In Reply to Message 130505)
Differences
Posted by fallenone
on Apr 16, 2004 07:28 PM | Also by fallenone
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There is a difference between a person who cannot find a place to go because no one will accept him and someone who is just trying to dodge the system. In my current situation, I faced the possibility of arrest for failure to comply because Ohio just passed a 1000 foot proximity law. So the Sheriff's office was placed in a dilemma-- whether to allow me to remain in a shelter one block away from a school or put me in jail. So they allowed me to stay in the shelter though I could not register. I checked in every 5 days at the Sheriff's office to tewll them if circumstances have changed (which since you've read and responded to my other thread then I'm sure you know at least some of my circumstances and they haven't changed). At the time all this happened I had been told I may have to go to jail for failure to register to which I frantically searched for a place to stay to no avail. So how could I be charged for a crime I was committing against my will?
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Message 130542 (In Reply to Message 130505)
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Now if you wanted all these things how would you feel about a sex offender with no address and no possible way for LE to track him?
I'm sure that if all the concerned citizens of Ohio who want to be sure they know where fallenone is at all times chipped in $10 bucks each, fallenone would have a permanent address before the sun went down.
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Message 130545 (In Reply to Message 130347)
Posted by marta
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You're joking, right?
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Message 130546 (In Reply to Message 130542)
Good Idea
Posted by fallenone
on Apr 16, 2004 09:37 PM | Also by fallenone
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That's a good Idea. I've actually toyed with the idea of putting that on a cardboard sign when I finally brake down and go panhandling. Since I can't get a job and since the alcoholics in my city do it all the time I guess I can do it too.
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Message 130563 (In Reply to Message 130505)
Posted by Silverthorne
on Apr 17, 2004 07:37 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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I don't want to live near black people because they lower property values and are more likely to be criminals (based on percentage in jail to population percentage). Does that mean it should be ok?
Same thing?
Silverthorne
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Message 130568 (In Reply to Message 130563)
Posted by orolan
on Apr 17, 2004 03:15 PM | Also by orolan
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Same thing?
Not quite. Before somebodt else says it, I will.
Black people can't help being black. They were born that way. SO's on the other hand at one time were not SO's, and made a "choice" to be one.
But you can certainly demand that they move the criminals out of your neighborhood regardless of race, because they WILL reoffend. At rates up to 5 times more often than the SO's.
Incidentally, Arizona had 1,031,300 people in its Criminal History database as of Dec 31, 2001. Any idea how many there are now?
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Message 130570 (In Reply to Message 130568)
Posted by steve
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Black people can't help being black. They were born that way.
And there's nothing wrong with being black...or being hispanic or any ethnicity that might have higher rates of committing crime than the national average. A sex offender on the other hand by definition is a criminal and if we ignore some of the types of crimes some here like to fixate on in debates, they victimized other people.
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Message 130621 (In Reply to Message 130570)
Hypothetical
Posted by Silverthorne
on Apr 18, 2004 04:05 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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I posted the "race" comment to make a hypothetical point. Its all about perception. Because black people are more likely (based on their percentage in the population) to be convicted of crimes it would make sense using the SO argument to want to be "away" from them because they "might" do something.
Isn't that the whole crux of the registry? Warn us about all the SO's because a small percentage may actually do something again?
Silverthorne
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Message 130625 (In Reply to Message 130621)
Nope
Posted by dp1
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Isn't that the whole crux of the registry? Warn us about all the SO's because a small percentage may actually do something again?
Society does not believe the percetages are small. If they really are as small as SO's say they are then why is it so difficult to prove?
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Message 130631 (In Reply to Message 130621)
Posted by steve
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I understand and agree that certain ethnicities and other groups are statistically more likely to spend time in prison. But you're not going to convince me that a registry of blacks is analogous to a registry of convicted sex offenders. Even if 80% of blacks would eventually get convicted of a felony I don't think I'd be convinced there should be a "black registry". I'm not opposed to a registry of people who've been convicted and might reoffend. I'm opposed to a registry of people who haven't been convicted, but because of their ethnicity, race, religion, age, weight, accent, income, magazine subscription, favorite NASCAR driver, etc. are statistically more prone to break a certain law based on statistical data.
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Message 130692 (In Reply to Message 130631)
Steve
Posted by Silverthorne
on Apr 18, 2004 07:36 PM | Also by Silverthorne
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I'm not talking about a registry of blacks. I'm talking about peoples desire to not live near them just like they don't want to live near SO's. Its all about misbelief and perception.
Silverthorne
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Message 130741 (In Reply to Message 130625)
Posted by orolan
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If they really are as small as SO's say they are then why is it so difficult to prove?
Since when was it difficult? The DOJ had no problem proving the rate was low, did they?
The statistics are easy. Compare how many RSO's were arrested, tried and convicted of another sex offense last year to the same thing for ANY other crime. Then tell me which one returns a lower percentage.
And leave out the "Yeah, but there are a lot of unreported and undetected sex crimes being committed, all by RSO's." unless you can PROVE it.
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Message 130775 (In Reply to Message 130741)
Posted by Silverthorne
on Apr 19, 2004 06:55 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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"Since when was it difficult? The DOJ had no problem proving the rate was low, did they? "
I agree Orolan. It is low and its very easy to prove. The problem is to convince the "sheep" (as HP would call them) of that fact. The media and the lying politicans find it easier to lie about the statistics then tell the truth because the truth doesn't justify their paranoia. They need something else.
The AZ DOJ website that so nicely describes the very low recidivism rates in Arizona is a perfect example. Remember that newspaper article from Ohio that said it was 44%? When in reality it was 3.7% reoffended and of those 44% acted out against children. Big difference 44% to .7% isn't it?
Proof doesn't matter to these people.
Silverthorne
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Message 130797 (In Reply to Message 130343)
Posted by mystik
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Well, if they are homeless, that means they don't have a home. Which means they don't have an address. Which means they don't have anything to register. How do you register that which you don't have? Can you go get a license plate and registration for a fictitious car?
This makes me think of the blind guy that got arrested for having child pornography.
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Message 130827 (In Reply to Message 130775)
Posted by orolan
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Proof doesn't matter to these people.
No, it doesn't. And it won't matter until somebody runs for public office and has the guts to make their incumbent opponent prove what they've been saying, in a public debate. The opponent can do this quite easily without coming across as a closet pedophile simply by addressing the issue as one of fiscal responsibility.
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Message 131117 (In Reply to Message 130343)
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Address-
Sundays -
Denny's Dumpster on 18th Avenue
Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays -
Interstate 35 overpass, south end
Wednesdays -
Our Lady of Grace Adult Mission
Fridays and Saturdays -
Central Square Mall "Dumpster Row", 5th on the left
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Message 131140 (In Reply to Message 131117)
Posted by orolan
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You see this, fallenone? Fit your itinerary?
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Posted by MrTruth
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As long as we continue to have underpasses, we'll never really have a homeless problem.
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Message 131231 (In Reply to Message 131117)
Turn it against them ?
Posted by Silverthorne
on Apr 22, 2004 07:01 PM | Also by Silverthorne
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Maybe someone could tell me about the registration process. Do you just go in and fill out a form?
How about this. Get a form and take it to KINKOS and make about 500 copies of it. Then everyday stop by the police station and drop one off with your current bridge location.
I'm serious. Flood them with paperwork. You can say your just "complying with the law". It'll make em miserable. The registry will NEVER update you.
Yet you'll have turned in the forms so your good to go.
Silverthorne
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Message 131347 (In Reply to Message 131140)
not yet
Posted by fallenone
on Apr 23, 2004 04:08 PM | Also by fallenone
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I haven't had to do that JUST YET... just don't give them any ideas though lol. Besides, Cincinnati passed an ordinance making sleeping under overpasses and bridges illegal.....
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Message 131348 (In Reply to Message 131155)
Really?
Posted by fallenone
on Apr 23, 2004 04:10 PM | Also by fallenone
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Not in Cincinnati, they made it illegal to sleep under bridges. And too bad all the abandoned houses are all too close to schools. So I'm still screwed.
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Message 131437 (In Reply to Message 131347)
Fallen
Posted by dp1
on Apr 24, 2004 12:20 AM | Also by dp1
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Cincinnati passed an ordinance making sleeping under overpasses and bridges illegal.....
Can you sleep on top of them?:-)
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Message 131513 (In Reply to Message 131437)
Doubtful
Posted by fallenone
on Apr 24, 2004 08:18 PM | Also by fallenone
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I doubt it because then I'd have to charge the city for time as a speedbump
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Message 131537 (In Reply to Message 131231)
Excellent Idea
Posted by Navigatr1
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What an excellent idea Silverthorne. Most homeless sex offenders may not have the money to go down to Kinko's to make copies of the registration form, but they can always get a copy at the police station. If all the homeless sex offenders banded together, and registered daily, it would make the police department's life miserable with all of the paperwork. In fact, all sex offenders required to register should band together and do this on a daily basis. The police department would have to devote more resources to processing all the paperwork, and would keep officers at the desk rather than doing real work patrolling the streets. The flood of paperwork will cause each sex offender's file to be thick as the police department needs to keep copies of the previous registration forms. They will need more storage space unless they start digitizing the forms to keep a digital record of it.
--Navigatr1
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Message 132149 (In Reply to Message 131537)
How silly is this?!...
Posted by batkitty
on Apr 30, 2004 12:15 PM | Also by batkitty
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I understand the concerns of parents (I'm one too!) but this is just getting to be ridiculous! If the courts want to impose all these rules and restrictions then they had better have viable resources to prevent this sort of thing from happening! No one, least of all a convicted SO, should be homeless and out wandering the streets with no where to go! If the authorities are trying to monitor the whereabouts of SO's then obviously this is turning out to be a non-solution! I'm sure Fallenangle's situation is not unique by any means! SOMEONE needs to have a better idea than the current ones! I sure wish I did!
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Message 132182 (In Reply to Message 132149)
batkitty
Posted by fallenone
on Apr 30, 2004 06:25 PM | Also by fallenone
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Welcome, batkitty. Well some states DO have an alternative. In Alabama, I'd be rotting in a jail cell praying someone will perform a modern-day miracle by offering me a place to stay. So instead of finding a job and a home I can kick back and watch Cable and sleep all day at the taxpayer's expense. Not even the people who MADE these laws know what to do with the backlash. That's why I'm still floating around.
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Message 132664 (In Reply to Message 130343)
Turn Bases Into Camps
Posted by Navigatr1
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Since the government is closing down a lot of military bases, why not turn these into camps for homeless sex offenders? Sex offenders can cluster in one area, and the community can get extra funding because of the population base.
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Message 132775 (In Reply to Message 132664)
There is no reason to be homeless
Posted by Valerie
on May 06, 2004 02:16 PM | Also by Valerie
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If the states would quit pissing money away on wasted programs, they could employ the recently released non violent offender, keep incarcerated the violent ones. But oh no we have to house and incarcerate the illegals and if we are lucky deport them after completeing their sentence. What a joke. Third worlders will commit a crime just to get fed and housed thru the system.
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Message 132793 (In Reply to Message 132775)
Posted by fallenone
on May 06, 2004 08:23 PM | Also by fallenone
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1. Government? Couldn't get a job there as a felon. Period. They're even reluctant to fund programs to help any ex-cons (and ESPECIALLY SOs) get back on their feet and even when they do, they run into hordes of NIMBYs not wanting them to put these programs within 1000 miles of them
2. Lobby the businesses to quit discriminating people based on felony records alone. Why bother putting "having a felony will NOT necessarily bar you from employment" when it does? Felony=Unemployment (unless you have connections/ loved ones or sell dope)
3. Define "non-violent offender." Definitions vary by state but they are usually drug pushers/addicts or petty thieves. Nobody wants to hire them because they believe that the ex-cons will fall again. Until someone tells me otherwise, all sex offences, no matter what the offense ACTUALLY consisted of (even misdemeanor statutory offenses), is considered VIOLENT
4. "Third worlders will commit a crime just to get fed and housed thru the system."
Between this and the other post I read earlier, I see there is a real problem with hatred and prejudice. Well I'm a quarter Native American. I get confused for Mexican/ Hispanic/ Latino, etc., a lot. I admire these people because they will do the job a lot of other people don't want, they can tolerate conditions most Americans WON'T tolerate (like extended families living in the same room/house), and they are more family-oriented than us. A lot of other nations despise the USA and for good reason. We are a nation with a history of decadence and abuse of humanity. We have the biggest heads of any nation on earth. The original inhabitants of this great nation are wasting away in deserts and we still want their land because now we know there is gold and uranium under these desert lands. A country with 5% of the world's population using 70% of the world's resourses? How's that for waste?
The Fallen One
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Message 132944 (In Reply to Message 132664)
My idea
Posted by Silverthorne
on May 08, 2004 09:36 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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"Since the government is closing down a lot of military bases, why not turn these into camps for homeless sex offenders? Sex offenders can cluster in one area, and the community can get extra funding because of the population base. "
Brilliant minds think alike NAV I posted this a few days ago. I think its a great idea.
Silverthorne
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Message 132949 (In Reply to Message 132664)
Posted by scarlett
on May 08, 2004 12:13 PM | Also by scarlett
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Gee, I thought segregation had been outlawed. Silly me!
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Message 133086 (In Reply to Message 132949)
Fallenone
Posted by Valerie
on May 10, 2004 03:10 PM | Also by Valerie
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I see alot of post by you on homelessness. How do you find your way to the computer as much as you do?
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Message 133102 (In Reply to Message 133086)
Posted by fallenone
on May 10, 2004 08:38 PM | Also by fallenone
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I hang out at the public library, the unofficial second home of the homeless coalition of the Cincinnati Metropolitan area. This is what I do when I'm not looking for work or attending computer classes. So at least it makes me easy to find!
By the way, my temporary 45-day hotel stay ends this weekend so if you all don't hear from me for a while, then I may go to jail for being unable to register. I've run out of places to go and I don't know where else to go, so I've got a lot to worry about this week...
The Fallen One
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Message 133138 (In Reply to Message 133102)
Posted by scarlett
on May 11, 2004 12:41 AM | Also by scarlett
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I for one will be praying for you fallen one. Let us know how you make out.
Scarlett~
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Message 133172 (In Reply to Message 133102)
Fallen
Posted by dp1
on May 11, 2004 02:39 PM | Also by dp1
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Can you register your address as the public library? Why or why not? It sounds like you may be sleeping on the bench outside. Have you looked into renting a camper? A tent?
What's the latest on your employment situation?
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Message 133189 (In Reply to Message 133102)
Posted by Navigatr1
on May 11, 2004 04:47 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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fallenone, I hope that you don't get arrested for failure to register due to your homelessness. However tell them that you want to register your jail address should they arrest you. You will have more leverage when you go before the judge by showing him/her that you tried to register as required by law even when you were registered. Get a sworn statement from your Public Pretender if you have too. Should the jail refuse to register you as a sex offender, get documentation to that effect if you can. Turn the system against them.
--Navigatr1
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Message 133193 (In Reply to Message 133189)
Quick Response to Everyone
Posted by fallenone
on May 11, 2004 06:02 PM | Also by fallenone
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Well this is the quick rundown of what I know--
That I can return to the City Gospel Mission for at least two weeks. That still doen't help much. Later today I will set up a new post on the off-topic post about the homeless shelter problem here in Cincinnati that further illustrates my dilemma. Now the Hamilton county sheriff's Departmant had been making me check in every week until I got the 45 day stay at the hotel, so I'm registered there. I think they will renew that arrangement in the event I have to return there. As far as being completely homeless, I doubt they will allow me to just sleep under the bridge on in an abandoned building they expect me to have a valid street address. I suppose it helps the CYA factor there.
As of today I am still unemployed. Hopefully now that the warmer weather here I can find some gainful employment that will work around my new class schedule. What strikes me odd is that so many homeless people collect government checks every month and spend it on one day of decadence, while others more needy than they are cannot get any help. I'll save that spiel till my post this evening.
Thanks to all who are encouraging me. I'm not afraid just frustrated at the backlash of society's views and laws.
The Fallen One
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Message 135982 (In Reply to Message 130343)
Kind of hard to track...
Posted by JakeLF
on Jun 13, 2004 07:50 PM | Also by JakeLF
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I think that a sex offender should register but its hard to find where a sex offender is if he is homeless, maybe all convicted sex offenders should have those ankle detectors on them so they can be monitired 24/7.
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Message 139295 (In Reply to Message 130775)
oncescorned
Posted by oncescorned
on Aug 31, 2004 01:12 AM | Also by oncescorned
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If a person is a convicted sexual offender and is paroled but has no place to live and therefore can not be tracked, they should be surgically castrated. Rape, child molesting and homelessness are all the symptoms of choices made.
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Message 139300 (In Reply to Message 139295)
oncescorned
Posted by dp1
on Aug 31, 2004 06:02 AM | Also by dp1
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If a person is a convicted sexual offender and is paroled but has no place to live and therefore can not be tracked, they should be surgically castrated. Rape, child molesting and homelessness are all the symptoms of choices made.
Before RSO's are paroled they submit a plan to include a proposed residence. The parole officer investigates the plan and responds back to the prison with his/her approval/disapproval. This process can go on and on until finally a suitable plan is in place. Anyway, once released the RSO must report to probation and live at the approved residence then register within 48 hours. If the parolee doesn't live where he said he was going to live or he's homeless he goes straight to jail on a violation of parole conditions.
Are you suggesting that the criminal justice system castrate RSO's instead of locking them up for public safety reasons? Would that be chemical or biological castration? Should probation officers carry knives and scapples in lieu of guns?
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Message 139306 (In Reply to Message 139295)
Posted by fallenone
on Aug 31, 2004 08:08 PM | Also by fallenone
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If a person is a convicted sexual offender and is paroled but has no place to live and therefore can not be tracked, they should be surgically castrated. Rape, child molesting and homelessness are all the symptoms of choices made.
Glad I wasn't parolled but did all my time. As one who was homeless for a time upon release, I of course have to respond to this post. First off, aside from the hatemongers of society I see little support to that proposition. I personally see the same thing should be done to a variety of undesirables should such an abomination be passed as law for one group of people. Why not EVERYONE who either cannot consent to sex like the retarded? They don't need them right?
More seriously, even castration doesn't guarantee much especially if you are dealing with the type of person who violated someone not for sexual pleasure but did it for other reasons, like certain kinds of rapists. Since i wasn't on parole or probation upon release I obviously would not fall under your proposition. I don't know about other states but I know in Alabama, almost all SOs do ALL their time, and thus not bound by post-release supervision. Once that time is up there is nothing you can do about it. They are free to go wherever they want except in states with proximity laws.
The last statement was intriguing because you added homelessness as a symptom of choice (I don't dispute the former two as choice). Homelessness isn't exactly a choice for many people. But it cannot be helped when society continues the disturbing trend of denying anyone who screwed up to be given a second chance. It took me seven months to find a job despite being OVERQUALIFIED for what I was applying for because people refused me a second chance. Don't tell me YOU"VE never did anything wrong in your life? Maybe you've never fallen as far as I but as a human you've come up short at least once in your life and got someone to dislike you maybe for good. Ever tried to make amends when that person won't even give you a chance? If so, then you can open your eyes and see what's really going on. Your "solution" is indeed no solution but merely perpetuate the hatred you personally feel in your heart. Obviously a personal reason behind it as your codename suggests. Well if you propose castration for sex offenders I propose lobotomies for hatemongers.
The Fallen One
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Message 150250 (In Reply to Message 130347)
I agree
Posted by mmlbb1163
on Apr 22, 2005 04:39 PM | Also by mmlbb1163
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I agree with this all homeless people should regerister. I'm living 40 yrds from one the place he is in has no eles. no water no windows in the place we've tried to talk too the person that owns the place to get him out of here and he won't do it I also found out that there is a toddler in there and the cops wont' do anything about it what am I suppose to do ? cane some one give me on an insite on how to get this gut out of here and get him registered?
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Message 150297 (In Reply to Message 150250)
Posted by dp1
on Apr 23, 2005 05:25 AM | Also by dp1
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Call code enforcement.
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Message 150402 (In Reply to Message 150297)
Posted by orolan
on Apr 24, 2005 09:03 PM | Also by orolan
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Call code enforcement.
I suppose it would be too much to ask for a person to maybe wander a mere 120 feet down the road and TALK to the man, wouldn't it? Maybe find out the situation? Why he's living in a hovel like that? Maybe see if a local church or shelter can be of some help? Maybe even see if another RSO has anything to offer, like at least maybe a corner of the garage with access to the mud room off the kitchen?
Naw. It's just another nasty ol' pervert. Sick the government on him, it's their job.
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Message 150417 (In Reply to Message 132944)
hospitals
Posted by poetsdreamscape
on Apr 24, 2005 10:32 PM | Also by poetsdreamscape
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If you need a place to stay fallone go to the hospital, Cal the police tell them you are depressed and suicidal, at that point they have to take you to the hospital, You get a clean bed, shower , food, and therapy for free.When they get ready to relaease you go beserk. At that point you will be diagnosed and wil be able to apply for SSI as being handicap, get housing assistance and no reason to have to work after that.
The hospitals can not allow someone in their care released if they pose a danger to themselves.
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Message 150430 (In Reply to Message 130343)
shelters and po's
Posted by myoung
on Apr 25, 2005 05:25 AM | Also by myoung
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my ex tenant was homeless before I rented to him. From what I found out, he had no problem using the local shelter and neighborhood centers as addresses when he registered. He only had to check in once a year so it wasn't very difficult. I don't really see the issue with homeless sex offenders registering. They need to and there is a way to.
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Message 150467 (In Reply to Message 150430)
I agree, well mostly.
Posted by newmind6
on Apr 25, 2005 10:56 PM | Also by newmind6
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Yes, myoung you are correct, well mostly. A requirement to register is a requirement to register and enforceable under the law. As a fellow Pennsyltuckian I remember when I was set to be released from state prison. Another man on my block was also being released but where I had a home he did not. Oh, the staff was wonderful, they called and wrote letters to The Salvation Army, Y.M.C.A., local homeless shelters and all the other places that the prison social worker recommended. I am serious when I write that they really tried to help this man. And he did all he could to help himself as well. But making 32 cents an hour did not allow for much of a bank roll.
The down side was that this guy was a repeat offender (first crime was car theft) and so no place would accept him. He had no money (no you don’t get a big check when you walk out the gates) and no family. He left the same day as I and while I walked out and got into a car, he did to, but it was a police cruiser. They had no choice but to arrest him and I was not even allowed to intervene (I was on parole at the time).
The evening news was full of the local prosecutor reveling in how he managed to clear the streets of yet another “scum” and put him back in prison. So after doing a ten year sentence he was now looking at another seven years (the penalty at the time) for failing to properly register. Even the judge felt sorry for the situation but the law was the law.
No I am not trying to negate this man’s crimes or the pain he caused. I am only referring to the blind laws that are drafted and enacted with little thought as to how they will play out in the coming years. Reactionary legislation that is the foundation for removing yet more civil liberties, and all under the guise of protecting us all. I mean just look at the invasion that has been enacted all in the name of “Homeland Protection.”
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Message 150472 (In Reply to Message 150430)
Posted by orolan
on Apr 26, 2005 01:41 AM | Also by orolan
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He only had to check in once a year
Most state registration laws I'm familiar with require homeless persons to check in weekly, not annually.
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Message 150496 (In Reply to Message 150472)
orolan
Posted by myoung
on Apr 26, 2005 05:37 AM | Also by myoung
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as far as I know....which isn't much when it comes to the specifics of PA laws and homeless SO's. I recall the local police telling me that he only had to register his address change once per year.
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Message 150533 (In Reply to Message 150467)
newmind
Posted by myoung
on Apr 26, 2005 03:06 PM | Also by myoung
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a long time ago I posted a reply about a mistake I had made when going down to the public assistance office. I went to my appointment on the wrong day (this was many years ago when I was in college and a single mother of two). I think I showed up on a Monday and my appt, was Tues. There were all these men in the waiting room which was HIGHLY unusual. Typically there are families...women and children but never a bunch of single men. So...I asked the receptionist what was going on and she told me that this is release day at Northampton County Prison! You should have heard them....how the states gonna give them THEIR money since they served their time...how the state owed them for being locked up... blah blah blah....I was horrified and saddened all at the same time. Such attitudes. Anyway...they were there for public housing, cash assistance and food stamps. I was told that they'd get it too. The waiting list was about 2years for housing at that time....so...I guess they could have put their name on the list as soon as they were incarcerated. I get your point though. I really don't have any good answers which is why I typically don't respond to this issue. I am still thinkng about potential solutions. It's a tough one.
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Message 150542 (In Reply to Message 150496)
my experience
Posted by newmind6
on Apr 26, 2005 04:58 PM | Also by newmind6
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Yes myoung it is a tough issue. I communicate with some who are able to help released inmates and finding shelter is a difficult issue. I though that sex offenders had a hard time finding shelter but I have since learned that arsonists have an even more difficult time finding a place to go. Wow, someone who actually has it harder than I! Can my self pity allow for such a thing?
When I was released I went to a privately owned Community Correction Center (C.C.C.) a.k.a. halfway house. While there I was allowed to leave for purposes of establishing driving license (but could not drive yet), birth certificate, handling the setting up court cost payments, etc. Later on job searches was allowed and even some recreational ventures. I had to call in every hour (no cell phones) and report back on time. Yes, it was a mini-jail but it afforded me a bit of transition. If I wasn’t out and about I was in class or working as a facilitator (go between staff and residences). During my third month I was allowed to begin a residence search and start the process of establishing my home. I was certainly more fortunate than the average man there.
It was my p.o. who finally came and released from the center and approved my home. He checked out the area and visited me once in the three years I was on my own. To this day I keep in touch with that man because though he treated me as a citizen and not as a piece of property. I worked hard so that I could give him good reports and he in turn was one who approved of my work to regain my license to practice my profession. I continue to work to maintain what I saw as his trust, even though he is not a part of my immediate life. But he did leave an indelible imprint.
Later, when one man from another facility committed a sex crime the protests brought about swift action from the city zoning board and ended the ability of the private facilities to house sex offenders. They even had to truck them out of the centers at 2 in the morning. So I have seen men upstate wait over a year from the time they are approved for parole until they are released. Only the state run facilities are allowed (by city ordinance) to house them. But fear which is not channeled into positive action only breeds yet more fear. And more and more of these men are maxing out their sentences and being released right to the streets. No time to set up housing and job/training search. Just being dumped into communities with no transition period.
So yes, I applaud the dp1’s of my country because they at least afford an opportunity for guys to get out into the community and work to begin the rest of their lives. Unfortunately I am willing to bet her caseload is probably about 50 ~ 75 men who must be monitored. Now that’s a juggling act.:)
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Message 151530 (In Reply to Message 130343)
yes and that aint enuff
Posted by dbac
on May 10, 2005 02:42 AM | Also by dbac
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them fellars dont deserv to live
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Message 151559 (In Reply to Message 151530)
Posted by orolan
on May 10, 2005 05:43 PM | Also by orolan
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Question for ya, Mr. Gap-tooth.
When you call out to your girlfriend, does she yell back "What?" or "Moooooo"?
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Message 151573 (In Reply to Message 151559)
Posted by dp1
on May 10, 2005 10:27 PM | Also by dp1
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Aren't there forum rules that say we aren't supposed to make personal attacks?
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Message 151585 (In Reply to Message 151559)
Orolan
Posted by myoung
on May 11, 2005 04:30 AM | Also by myoung
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I have to say...I'm surprised by your response. Are we having a vacation day from maturity O??
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Message 151707 (In Reply to Message 151530)
Posted by orolan
on May 14, 2005 04:32 AM | Also by orolan
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Where ya at, dbac?
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Message 151790 (In Reply to Message 151707)
O
Posted by myoung
on May 16, 2005 04:17 AM | Also by myoung
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behave!! :-)
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Message 151972 (In Reply to Message 151790)
Posted by orolan
on May 19, 2005 01:08 PM | Also by orolan
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Darn. I just want to have some fun:-((
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Message 155144 (In Reply to Message 151573)
Posted by LostTime
on Jul 04, 2005 11:54 PM | Also by LostTime
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Any particular reason you object to orolan's response but not the original attack by someone who thinks he should be dead? I think dbac's post was a pretty big attack
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Message 155192 (In Reply to Message 155144)
Posted by orolan
on Jul 05, 2005 12:53 PM | Also by orolan
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Good to see you back around, LT;-))
You notice of course that the little redneck didn't come back to defend himself, don't you? Must have hit a little too close to the truth:-O
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Message 155215 (In Reply to Message 155144)
Posted by dp1
on Jul 05, 2005 03:46 PM | Also by dp1
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Any particular reason you object to orolan's response
Yes there is a reason. Because it's a personal attack.
but not the original attack by someone who thinks he should be dead? I think dbac's post was a pretty big attack.
I don't see where the original poster said Orolan should be dead. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Generalized comments are not personal attacks. There's no excuse to personally attack someone.
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Message 155216 (In Reply to Message 155215)
Posted by steve
on Jul 05, 2005 04:38 PM | Also by steve
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Generalized comments are not personal attacks. There's no excuse to personally attack someone.
Exactly. People on these forums are allowed to share their opinions, even if some people might find them misguided or offensive, at least within reason. When the comments are directed at a specific person, they're judged by a different standard.
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Message 155228 (In Reply to Message 155216)
A new year and more laws
Posted by newmind6
on Jul 05, 2005 06:14 PM | Also by newmind6
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"Should homeless sex offenders be punished for not complying with registration laws..."
Was the original thread title started back in April of 2004. So that pre-dates the new zoning laws and has given us time to see how the results of such a poll may have changed. Proximity laws will of course produce more homeless sex offenders. For those on one side it will mean more legitimate reasons to lock up former offenders for new charges that will in many cases carry stiffer penalties than their original offense. On the other side those who are truly struggling (and yes, folks it is a bit of a struggle for an offender to find housing/employment) to be legal and legitimate will have yet another mountain to climb.
The news is full of yet another sex offender who has killed. Hmm, could his inability to meld into society have contributed? No excuse for his crimes, but do we need to look at some of the contributing factors? Hindsight is almost always 20/20 and many would say he should never have been released or that he should have been detained on his most current arrest. So how do we apply this to the next guy?
Fact: Most sex offenses are committed by first time offenders.
Fact: Most of those offenders will not spend their life in prison. They will return to society.
Fact: Society must deal with the first two facts.
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Message 155253 (In Reply to Message 155228)
Posted by rabbitreborn
on Jul 05, 2005 10:41 PM | Also by rabbitreborn
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Fact: Most sex offenses are committed by first time offenders.
Fact: Most of those offenders will not spend their life in prison. They will return to society.
Fact: Society must deal with the first two facts.
A more well thout out and truer statement I have not heard in a LONG time
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Message 158381 (In Reply to Message 130570)
Criminals...
Posted by homerbr
on Aug 10, 2005 10:36 AM | Also by homerbr
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If someone steals, they are not to be forever considered a criminal.
Doesn't being a "criminal" require more than an illegal behavior in the past. Being a criminal is a lifestyle. Labels don't help.
Most of the women I have known who were abused by a family member never reported the crime. Are the perpetrators criminals? If they are, how can they be without a trial in a Justice system that requires innocence until guilt is proven?
Labels are quick, convienent, inaccurate and lazy.
Homer
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Message 167012 (In Reply to Message 150533)
public assistance
Posted by june5
on Nov 09, 2005 07:43 PM | Also by june5
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Since you brought it up...and boy am I going to get slammed for this one...
Why were you horrified by the ex-cons waiting to recieve public assistance when you were also trying to get public assistance?
I have never been on public assistance in my life. I think public assistance is fine and I support it for ANY person who needs it. For myself personally, I would be horrified at myself if I found myself in such a predicament. I am not insulting anyone personally, I just know that is how I would feel.
I think I ended up on public assistance it would be clear to me that at some point in my life I zigged when I should have zagged. But I don't think it is fair to judge anyone who finds themselves in that position. I only hope they are able to get the help they need to live better lives. Otherwise, it would be too easy to judge other people and not help them. For example, I could say, why should felons get PA? They shouldn't have committed crimes. Why should single mothers get PA? They shouldn't have had kids they couldn't afford, or with men who obviously didn't want to support them. See how that goes? That wouldn't be fair. My mom got PA when her 2nd husband left her (not my dad), and it really helped her.
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Message 167037 (In Reply to Message 130343)
of course....
Posted by anti
on Nov 10, 2005 02:48 AM | Also by anti
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why not?
anti...
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Message 167043 (In Reply to Message 130542)
why??
Posted by anti
on Nov 10, 2005 03:29 AM | Also by anti
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why should anyone chip in 10 bucks for him?? seriously now, even if a rso cant get a reg good job, where they ask if you were ever arrested, or where you have to fill out a application, and where you are checked out, there are tons of other odd jobs out there, if he really wanted to work.......
cleaning, construction, and of course those job sites for the homeless, where you get paid per day, it is not others problems if he decided to commit a crime.
anti
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130343, admin, Apr 13, 2004 08:06 PM [Introduction]
130347, dp1, Apr 14, 2004 01:49 AM
130394, orolan, Apr 14, 2004 04:55 PM
130545, marta, Apr 16, 2004 09:10 PM
150250, mmlbb1163, Apr 22, 2005 04:39 PM [I agree]
150297, dp1, Apr 23, 2005 05:25 AM
150402, orolan, Apr 24, 2005 09:03 PM
130406, Silverthorne, Apr 14, 2004 06:28 PM [Mandatory Housing?]
130452, dp1, Apr 15, 2004 02:28 AM [Silver]
130479, fallenone, Apr 15, 2004 08:30 PM [How can you?]
130505, dp1, Apr 16, 2004 12:07 PM [fallenone]
130536, fallenone, Apr 16, 2004 07:28 PM [Differences]
130542, orolan, Apr 16, 2004 08:08 PM
130546, fallenone, Apr 16, 2004 09:37 PM [Good Idea]
167044, Rejected
167043, anti, Nov 10, 2005 03:29 AM [why??]
130563, Silverthorne, Apr 17, 2004 07:37 AM
130568, orolan, Apr 17, 2004 03:15 PM
130570, steve, Apr 17, 2004 04:36 PM
130621, Silverthorne, Apr 18, 2004 04:05 AM [Hypothetical]
130625, dp1, Apr 18, 2004 04:17 AM [Nope]
130741, orolan, Apr 19, 2004 02:18 AM
130775, Silverthorne, Apr 19, 2004 06:55 AM
130827, orolan, Apr 19, 2004 11:58 PM
139295, oncescorned, Aug 31, 2004 01:12 AM [oncescorned]
139300, dp1, Aug 31, 2004 06:02 AM [oncescorned]
139306, fallenone, Aug 31, 2004 08:08 PM
130631, steve, Apr 18, 2004 06:39 AM
130692, Silverthorne, Apr 18, 2004 07:36 PM [Steve]
158381, homerbr, Aug 10, 2005 10:36 AM [Criminals...]
130481, fallenone, Apr 15, 2004 08:38 PM [How can you?]
130797, mystik, Apr 19, 2004 06:24 PM
131117, bbby, Apr 21, 2004 09:54 PM
131140, orolan, Apr 22, 2004 12:18 AM
131347, fallenone, Apr 23, 2004 04:08 PM [not yet]
131437, dp1, Apr 24, 2004 12:20 AM [Fallen]
131513, fallenone, Apr 24, 2004 08:18 PM [Doubtful]
131155, MrTruth, Apr 22, 2004 01:47 AM
131348, fallenone, Apr 23, 2004 04:10 PM [Really?]
131231, Silverthorne, Apr 22, 2004 07:01 PM [Turn it against them ?]
131537, Navigatr1, Apr 25, 2004 02:23 AM [Excellent Idea]
132149, batkitty, Apr 30, 2004 12:15 PM [How silly is this?!...]
132182, fallenone, Apr 30, 2004 06:25 PM [batkitty]
132150, Rejected
132664, Navigatr1, May 05, 2004 05:22 AM [Turn Bases Into Camps]
132775, Valerie, May 06, 2004 02:16 PM [There is no reason to be homeless]
132793, fallenone, May 06, 2004 08:23 PM
132944, Silverthorne, May 08, 2004 09:36 AM [My idea]
150417, poetsdreamscape, Apr 24, 2005 10:32 PM [hospitals]
132949, scarlett, May 08, 2004 12:13 PM
133086, Valerie, May 10, 2004 03:10 PM [Fallenone]
133102, fallenone, May 10, 2004 08:38 PM
133138, scarlett, May 11, 2004 12:41 AM
133172, dp1, May 11, 2004 02:39 PM [Fallen]
133189, Navigatr1, May 11, 2004 04:47 PM
133193, fallenone, May 11, 2004 06:02 PM [Quick Response to Everyone]
135982, JakeLF, Jun 13, 2004 07:50 PM [Kind of hard to track...]
150430, myoung, Apr 25, 2005 05:25 AM [shelters and po's]
150467, newmind6, Apr 25, 2005 10:56 PM [I agree, well mostly.]
150533, myoung, Apr 26, 2005 03:06 PM [newmind]
167012, june5, Nov 09, 2005 07:43 PM [public assistance]
150472, orolan, Apr 26, 2005 01:41 AM
150496, myoung, Apr 26, 2005 05:37 AM [orolan]
150542, newmind6, Apr 26, 2005 04:58 PM [my experience]
151530, dbac, May 10, 2005 02:42 AM [yes and that aint enuff]
151559, orolan, May 10, 2005 05:43 PM
151573, dp1, May 10, 2005 10:27 PM
155144, LostTime, Jul 04, 2005 11:54 PM
155192, orolan, Jul 05, 2005 12:53 PM
155215, dp1, Jul 05, 2005 03:46 PM
155216, steve, Jul 05, 2005 04:38 PM
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