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Thread (Discussion): Poll 1036 - Would you like the United States government to implement a national sex offender registry?

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Message 136360 (In Reply to Message 127664)
Registry - the facts, not the hype


Posted by wifey on Jun 21, 2004 04:41 PM | Also by wifey
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States
I have a few things to point out here:

Marta- to Orolan: I am 100% sure that I will never commit such an offense.

You may be sure YOU wouldn't DO anything sexually inappropriate, but you can't be certain that someone ELSE might not misread or misinterpret your action(s)... then - voila! you are falsely accused!

Orolan- to Marta:Glad you feel that way, but that isn't the same as being charged with an offense. Remember, you have only to be accused. As a female, the odds are very good that this will never happen to you..

There is a common misconception that is someone is accused, they MUST have done it. Also, there is a common delusion that "I will never be accused, because I would NEVER do such a horrid thing" THINK AGAIN!

If you do any research, you will soon find that there are LARGE NUMBERS of people FALSELY ACCUSED of sex crimes. It is a position that many cannot understand until *they or a loved one* are falsely accused. Most false accusations happen during a divorce/custody/breakup. The research and facts support this assertion.

Do you realize that if you were to pat the top of the head of some cute little tyke, right in front of the mom, and she didn't like that you touched her child AT all, even in the most innocent way - guess what?

According to the law - YOU ARE A CHILD MOLESTER!

Yes, that's right! No, I'm not just being dramatic - according to CA Penal Code, you don't have to touch an 'intimate' part of the body, and it could be through clothes (even a hat) and it doesn't have to be a 'sexual' type of touch. If you touched a child AT ALL, and are accused, you are considered GUILTY. All of the government's resources will go into proving that you are a dangerous pervert.

There is NOTHING YOU CAN SAY OR DO TO DEFEND YOURSELF AGAINST ALLEGATIONS OF THIS NATURE - even if there were 15 people there watching you (i.e., WITNESSES) the prosecution would ask each one of them if they blinked or ever looked anywhere else but at you, even for a brief second. That is, of course, ridiculous (because, of course everyone blinks), but that will be submitted as PROOF since no one was watching you every single second.... and no one can PROVE THAT YOU DIDN'T... and no one will believe a word you say, but will use every word against you - they will twist the most innocent and innocuous comment as proof of your perversion (even things you've never heard of before!).

The burden of proof is so small as to be non-existent in child molest cases. The accusation alone will convict, even if the child's story is totally inconsistent, and in many cases, the child will repeatedly state that nothing happened, but the counselors and investigators will refuse to accept that and will vigorously go after the accused, taking the child's 'non-disclosure' (adamantly stating that nothing happened) to be proof that something DID happen [that must be that 'fuzzy logic' - cause it certainly doesn't make any sense!]. Even if the physical examination also shows that there is no evidence of a crime, THAT is submitted as proof as well.

Before the flaming begins-

The stated legislative intent behind Megan's Law (and it's ilk) was to register VIOLENT PREDATORS. Now, however, there are so many people on the registry who DON'T BELONG THERE, that its purpose is thwarted. And I can't find one case where sexual abuse was averted due to the registry...

US DOJ (Bureau of Justice Statistics) study shows that most SOs (who are guilty) are within a family or close 'zone of association' (family member [uncle, grandpa] teacher, coach, neighbor, family friend, church folks, etc.). Those people are NOT on the registry simply because they haven't been caught. Those very persons, once caught, are the LOWEST RISK OF REOFFENCE (~5% - that means 95% WILL NEVER REOFFEND!). They should NOT be on the registry (even if it isn't published on the 'net, just for law enforcement).There are people on the net for ridiculous things:

-a senior in high school is on the registry because as a senior prank he mooned his ass't principal from a car window while driving away.

-a 2 1/2 year old is on the state's internal registry (OK) for kissing another toddler

-many people are on the registry (everywhere) for taking a whiz outside (public exposure even if NO ONE SEES IT is a SEX crime (according to the Supreme Court)

We have lost our way. The public is so deluded into thinking that all SOs are drooling, evil perverts who should be locked away forever, rounded up and shot, put into internment camps - but the public is so blissfully ignorant - that is, until they are personally accused...

I know that is my family's situation. Now I have a different view, and I feel obligated to share it to help dispel some of the mis- and disinformation out there.

It's true that violent felons are on a registry, but the public doesn't have access to that. I think the registry is wrong and worthless as a deterrent because 'prison' has been around a long, long time, and it hasn't deterred many people, has it? If someone is truly pathalogical, then being on a registry isn't going to stop them from doing anything. It just gives the public a false sense of security, on the one hand, and whips them further to a frenzy on the other...

How 'bout those property values, eh? How would you like to try to sell your beautiful home when there is a SO in your neighborhood & it's public info... this registry was obviously not thought out very well..

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Message 127664
The poor caste of those cursed with penises


Posted by marta on Feb 22, 2004 07:40 PM | Also by marta
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

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127095, admin, Feb 09, 2004 10:50 PM [Introduction]
      127151, orolan, Feb 11, 2004 02:24 AM [What is a "National Registry"?]
            127248, Silverthorne, Feb 12, 2004 06:55 AM
            127369, dp1, Feb 15, 2004 04:27 PM [Orolan]
                  127431, orolan, Feb 17, 2004 02:06 AM [2 & 3]
                        127435, steve, Feb 17, 2004 03:16 AM
                              127517, orolan, Feb 18, 2004 07:47 PM [Steve]
                                    127521, steve, Feb 18, 2004 08:25 PM
                                          127552, orolan, Feb 19, 2004 03:58 PM
                                                147548, kb2005, Mar 18, 2005 09:59 PM [[quote]An opinion that if...]
                                                      147674, orolan, Mar 20, 2005 04:23 AM [kb2005]
                                                      159897, ann018, Aug 27, 2005 10:27 PM [kb2005]
                                          159896, ann018, Aug 27, 2005 10:14 PM [Steve]
                        127440, dp1, Feb 17, 2004 06:19 AM [That's Ridiculous]
                              127518, orolan, Feb 18, 2004 07:53 PM [DP1]
                                    127522, dp1, Feb 18, 2004 08:28 PM [Just An Example]
                                          127554, orolan, Feb 19, 2004 04:09 PM
            127410, Navigatr1, Feb 16, 2004 11:01 AM [Why should it be limited to sex offenders?]
                  127424, marta, Feb 17, 2004 12:55 AM [Don't be absurd]
                        127433, orolan, Feb 17, 2004 02:12 AM
                              127488, marta, Feb 18, 2004 01:55 AM [Mimic]
                                    127519, orolan, Feb 18, 2004 08:14 PM
                                          127538, marta, Feb 19, 2004 01:40 AM [Hysteria, all right, but your...]
                                                127557, orolan, Feb 19, 2004 04:20 PM
                                                      127585, marta, Feb 20, 2004 03:49 PM [Yeah right!]
                                                            127590, orolan, Feb 20, 2004 07:53 PM
                                                                  127606, marta, Feb 21, 2004 01:43 AM [Oversimplifying]
                                                                        127622, orolan, Feb 21, 2004 03:57 PM
                                                                              127664, marta, Feb 22, 2004 07:40 PM [The poor c...]
                                                                                    127719, orolan, Feb 24, 2004 12:07 AM
                                                                                          127727, marta, Feb 24, 2004 02:19 AM
                                                                                    136360, wifey, Jun 21, 2004 04:41 PM [Registr...]
                                                                                          136368, steve, Jun 21, 2004 06:50 PM
                                                                                                139728, wifey, Sep 14, 2004 07:52 AM [L...]
                                                                                                147759, wifey, Mar 21, 2005 03:48 AM [N...]
                                                                                    159899, ann018, Aug 27, 2005 10:54 PM [Marta]
                                                167009, june5, Nov 09, 2005 07:26 PM [What state?]
                        127478, Silverthorne, Feb 17, 2004 03:40 PM [Marta question]
                  127432, orolan, Feb 17, 2004 02:09 AM [NCIC]
                        127441, dp1, Feb 17, 2004 06:24 AM [NCIC]
                        147544, kb2005, Mar 18, 2005 09:30 PM [Heres why not to open NCIC to the gene...]
                  127477, Silverthorne, Feb 17, 2004 03:39 PM
                        127520, orolan, Feb 18, 2004 08:18 PM [Silver]
                              147763, wifey, Mar 21, 2005 04:04 AM [DUI/DWI Recidivism rates]
                  127547, Navigatr1, Feb 19, 2004 09:58 AM [DUI death fueling calls for database]
                        127558, orolan, Feb 19, 2004 04:23 PM
                        127578, Silverthorne, Feb 20, 2004 05:36 AM
                              147882, Navigatr1, Mar 23, 2005 05:35 AM [I agree, needs teeth]
                  127548, Rejected
                  132863, scarlett, May 07, 2004 11:12 AM
      127820, twisted420, Feb 27, 2004 09:37 PM [I realy feal this should be done!!!]
            128819, Silverthorne, Mar 18, 2004 02:02 AM [Question for Twisted]
      147926, monkey4u, Mar 24, 2005 04:24 AM
      159849, craigd, Aug 27, 2005 08:10 AM [yes there should]
            159901, ann018, Aug 28, 2005 02:00 AM [craigd]
                  159960, ann018, Aug 28, 2005 04:43 PM [correction]
      165596, momhelpingbyherself, Oct 27, 2005 02:53 PM [goverment offender registry]
      167007, june5, Nov 09, 2005 07:22 PM [NO]
            167036, orolan, Nov 10, 2005 02:40 AM
      167038, anti, Nov 10, 2005 02:55 AM [yes...]
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