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Thread (Discussion): Poll 1035 - Do you consider coerced sex to be rape?
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Posted by admin
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Discuss Poll 1035 - Do you consider coerced sex to be rape?
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Posted by Actavail
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Rape to me denotes sexual assault involving completely unwarranted emotional or physical abuse.
Sexual coercion OTOH can be almost as serious but could cover some situations where the signals are pretty mixed and the coercion is pretty mild. It is undesirable and may well be illegal but it does not equate to what I view as rape. Human relationships can be pretty messy.
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Yes, I agree. OTOH, it's all well and good to say coerced sex is rape, but what is coercion? And who decides? Afterall, one person may have a low threshold for deciding they've been coerced, another may not. One person's coercion is another's seduction. I suppose our lawyer-in-residence would say that that is why we have juries.
OTOH (on the other hand)
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As I understand it, rape is a very specific offence where an actual act of penetration has taken place. Given the diverse range of sexual offences which can be committed, to call coerced sex "rape" is far too simplistic.
Yes, it is an offence as is any act of coercion upon another, but which of that broad list of possible sex charges applies will depend on what actually took place. Thus each case will need to be determined on its own merit.
Yet one more area of human interaction, where emotional responses to an horrific scenario can get in the way of good sense. As Actavail said, this is a very complex issue with no simple yes/no answer possible, which is why I voted "not sure" to indicate "it depends on the what took place".
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" suppose our lawyer-in-residence would say that that is why we have juries."
Umm you sure about that? Wouldn't a lawyer say that is why lawyers exist, to tell us what we should think? ;)
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You're playing with fire there!
Coerced sex to me would be sex that one party was not willing to participate in but through some intervention was "forced" to do so. Physical restraint or force, drugs, alcohol, blackmail, threats of violence, threats to expose something bad, etc would all be forms of coercion.
Sex that occurs because one party perceives an "obligation" to do so in return for or because of some other consideration would not be coerced.
IMHO
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Posted by steve
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One person's coercion is another's seduction.
Very profound. And true.
The rest of this post isn't addressing anyone in particular. I added this poll because I saw it on another site a while ago and I thought it was a good question to ask here. In some locations sexual coercion is considered rape. In some locations it isn't. I thought it would be interesting to know what poll participants here think.
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Message 125287 (In Reply to Message 124857)
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Rape to me is when somone man or woman violates you by taking sexual liberties that you don't consent too and/or unable to stop. Coerced sex to me is when someone persuades someone into doing something. Wheather it be bribery, extortion,threats or just plain ol smooth talkin, thats not raped. There are choices that can be made and should someones indecisiveness be presented as rape? I think not, you can either choose to do it or not to do, there is no inbetween , no part of me wanted or part of me didn't want to do, or any regrets that equal rape.
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Message 127821 (In Reply to Message 124857)
It alwayse depends on the situation
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I think that it can be a sex crimb if was done in a moannor that one person in the party dose not want it to be done to them.
But I know that in some cases people tend to actualy like violent sex. It seams thoe that whoever the people I know who enjoy this kind of sex it is usualy mutualy done and spoken about before hand and if it is not and just done without prior eknowaldgement and the other party says no then it turns into a rape engagement and is therefore a crimb
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Posted by monkey4u
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no means no, so yes i would
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Posted by mawmaw
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Do you consider coerced sex to be rape ?
Coerced means FORCED ...... what is it that you dont understand about rape ? DUH !
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Posted by markgoldenberger
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Vague terms such as "coerced" or "forced" sex can mean anywhere from "compelling an individual to submit to sexual intercourse with physical force" to "begging your wife for sex until she gives in". The former is rape under the law while the latter is not, and rightly so.
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Posted by LostTime
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actually the latter gets prosecuted as rape also on occasion. Sometimes it gets tagged marital rape.
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Posted by markgoldenberger
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"actually the latter gets prosecuted as rape also on occasion. Sometimes it gets tagged marital rape."
Never heard of a single case where a husband was prosecuted for such an act, and I'm pretty well read up on the subject of "marital rape". Since I'm aware of no laws that could be used to criminalize a husband for pressuring his partner into sex, your claim is higly suspect, unless of course you can provide a cite for a case where that has actually happened. Hearsay doesn't qaulify I'm afraid.
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Posted by PVulcan
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Marital Rape 3rd degree is still on the books in the State of Washington. While it's a tough case to take to trial, if there is force with a spouse I bet it's safe to say there's some other control issues in that relationship such as domestic violence, that's where they'll get a charge from.
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Message 155958 (In Reply to Message 124857)
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Yes
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Posted by Scaye
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Nope. That's why when a child is lured into sexual situations we call it by a different name, Molestation.
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Posted by 1dadof5
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teft, so if coersion isnt allowed, how do certain posters even get laid? oh thats right, prostitution
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Posted by mawmaw
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prostitution....... Go for it ! The kind I see on the streets look like drug heads and unclean... uck ! and I could care less ! begging wives for sex... well you guys need to do something to get her to want sex from you , afterall she liked sex with you to marry you !!
Child sex...... NO WAY or if you do ... YOU will pay the price forever !!!
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124857, admin, Jan 12, 2004 03:56 PM [Introduction]
124863, Actavail, Jan 12, 2004 10:56 PM
125026, safeTsurfa, Jan 14, 2004 04:43 PM
124876, simon, Jan 13, 2004 12:32 AM
125030, safeTsurfa, Jan 14, 2004 05:06 PM
125055, orolan, Jan 14, 2004 11:51 PM
125058, steve, Jan 15, 2004 12:21 AM
125287, Phantom, Jan 17, 2004 11:30 AM [No]
127821, twisted420, Feb 27, 2004 09:42 PM [It alwayse depends on the situation]
147934, monkey4u, Mar 24, 2005 04:32 AM
155110, mawmaw, Jul 04, 2005 05:04 PM
155124, markgoldenberger, Jul 04, 2005 06:47 PM
155140, LostTime, Jul 04, 2005 11:29 PM
155164, markgoldenberger, Jul 05, 2005 02:24 AM
155580, PVulcan, Jul 09, 2005 07:04 PM
155958, Teft, Jul 13, 2005 01:59 AM
156096, Scaye, Jul 14, 2005 02:56 AM
156257, 1dadof5, Jul 15, 2005 07:35 AM
156445, mawmaw, Jul 17, 2005 07:24 AM
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