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Thread (Discussion): Poll 1028 - Should the government be able to punish someone for their thoughts?

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Message 121949
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Posted by admin on Nov 19, 2003 04:30 PM | Also by admin
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Discuss Poll 1028 - Should the government be able to punish someone for their thoughts?

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Message 151942 (In Reply to Message 121949)
NO!


Posted by mysticfyre on May 18, 2005 06:19 PM | Also by mysticfyre
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If the government punishes someone for something they say what happened to Freedom of Speech. Every Citizen in the US is entitled to this regardless of who may or may not agree with there thoughts or opinions.

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Message 151950 (In Reply to Message 151942)


Posted by orolan on May 18, 2005 08:42 PM | Also by orolan
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The government can already punish you for speech. Consider the old standby test. You go to the theatre and halfway through the second act you yell out "FIRE". Such an act is not protected by free speech.
Consider this though. You're sitting in your living room. You think "You know, I ought to go to the theatre and yell 'FIRE' in the middle of the second act."
Should that be illegal?
Should it be 'less legal' if you happened to already have been convicted of doing such a thing? Or perhaps it's an OK thought, but if you did it before the government will ban you from theatres on the assumption that since you did it once, your only reason for going to a theatre is to do it again?

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Message 152005 (In Reply to Message 121949)


Posted by innermostfrustrated on May 19, 2005 04:20 PM | Also by innermostfrustrated
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You have got to be kidding me? For thoughts???? We sure would need a whole lot more jail space if that ever happened.

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Message 152033 (In Reply to Message 152005)


Posted by orolan on May 19, 2005 10:50 PM | Also by orolan
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We have already seen it. That guy in Iowa that the city banned from the park because they just 'knew' that he was going there and 'thinking' about having sex with children. They made his thoughts illegal, without even needing to prove he was having them.
Pornography possession is the same thing. Holding a photograph in your hand isn't harming anybody. Looking at it and thinking dirty thoughts isn't, either. It's deviant, twisted and harmful to yourself. But it isn't hurting the kid who was at the nudist camp 30 years ago when the picture was taken. But having it will sure get you 5 in the penitentiary.

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Posted by innermostfrustrated on May 20, 2005 12:56 AM | Also by innermostfrustrated
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You're right orolan, we have already seen it! I wasn't just thinking "SO's" when I posted that response. I already did know that they can get away with that with SO's, they do it all the time!!

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Message 155608 (In Reply to Message 121949)


Posted by Silverthorne on Jul 09, 2005 09:58 PM | Also by Silverthorne
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Good topic. I suppose I'd have been locked up long ago despite being completely law abiding.

Silverthorne

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Message 155730 (In Reply to Message 152033)


Posted by kiwi on Jul 11, 2005 02:01 AM | Also by kiwi
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It's not harming anybody?

By that analogy, holding a detonation device in my hand isn't harming anyone either...it's just a little box.
Even when I push the button and a bomb explodes a mile away.

Distance yourself from the damage and you can justify almost anything.

I'm not in favor of thought-police who jump the gun... but hindsight is 20/20...and very painful. I think we need to pay very close attention to where the line is drawn.

kiwi

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Message 155957 (In Reply to Message 121949)


Posted by Teft on Jul 13, 2005 01:58 AM | Also by Teft
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The government, no. We should punish ourselves for our thoughts.

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Message 156098 (In Reply to Message 121949)


Posted by Scaye on Jul 14, 2005 02:58 AM | Also by Scaye
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No or every person would be in prison.

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Posted by PVulcan on Jul 14, 2005 09:49 AM | Also by PVulcan
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Excellent response Teft!

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Message 156407 (In Reply to Message 155957)


Posted by Silverthorne on Jul 17, 2005 12:47 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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"The government, no. We should punish ourselves for our thoughts."


So people with bad thoughts should hit themselves with a ruler..... or maybe just blow their heads off? Which do you prefer?

(As if I need to ask).

Silverthorne

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Message 156444 (In Reply to Message 121949)


Posted by mawmaw on Jul 17, 2005 07:17 AM | Also by mawmaw
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No ..... but a person knows themself thru their thoughts and we know whats right and wrong ........ Is the crime worth the high price ?? ....... just seems to me that if you get caught doing a sex crime with a child and you know better not to do that !!! ....... you gonna pay the price for doing it !! ....... thats a high price to pay for moments of pleasure !!

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121949, admin, Nov 19, 2003 04:30 PM [Introduction]
      151942, mysticfyre, May 18, 2005 06:19 PM [NO!]
            151950, orolan, May 18, 2005 08:42 PM
      152005, innermostfrustrated, May 19, 2005 04:20 PM
            152033, orolan, May 19, 2005 10:50 PM
                  152039, innermostfrustrated, May 20, 2005 12:56 AM
                  155730, kiwi, Jul 11, 2005 02:01 AM
      155608, Silverthorne, Jul 09, 2005 09:58 PM
      155957, Teft, Jul 13, 2005 01:58 AM
            156132, PVulcan, Jul 14, 2005 09:49 AM
            156407, Silverthorne, Jul 17, 2005 12:47 AM
      156098, Scaye, Jul 14, 2005 02:58 AM
      156444, mawmaw, Jul 17, 2005 07:17 AM
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