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Thread (Discussion): Poll 1025 - Should there be a mechanism to limit those listed on sex offender registries to those wh
Message 121946
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Posted by admin
on Nov 19, 2003 04:30 PM | Also by admin
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Discuss Poll 1025 - Should there be a mechanism to limit those listed on sex offender registries to those who are most dangerous?
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Message 143832 (In Reply to Message 121946)
yes
Posted by taytay22
on Jan 14, 2005 04:09 AM | Also by taytay22
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I just want to ad that my boyfriend of 4 1/2 years has to register as a sex offender because when he was 21 he had sex with a girl who was almost 16 years old. Because he had more then one offense he must now register for the rest of his life as a violent preditor because all the people who register for life are under that catigory. He is the farthest thing from violent and he sure isnt and was not a preditor. Hes the father of our wounderfull son and this has really upset me and the family, i understand what he did was against the law, but I do not feel he should have to be treated as a animal on the loose looking for small children. I know when you hear sex offender you automatically think child molester, but its not always the case, I really want people to understand that...
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Message 143856 (In Reply to Message 143832)
Posted by dp1
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Because he had more then one offense he must now register for the rest of his life as a violent preditor because all the people who register for life are under that catigory.
Hi and welcome to this forum. Just curious. What was your boyfriend's prior offense(s) and what sex crime did he get charged with?
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Message 143879 (In Reply to Message 121946)
to,, dp1
Posted by taytay22
on Jan 14, 2005 05:36 PM | Also by taytay22
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he was charged with gross sexual assult and sexual abuse of a minor. Like i said what he did was against the law but its also very very common, I cant name a guy that ive known that was 21 years old that didnt have sex with a teenager..might be wrong but I dont belive they should be punished in this way..because of a bad mistake he will live with this for the rest of his life, it will haunt him and myself for ever and its really hard to deal with, we have a son and i worry about him when he gets into school, if kids find out they will probly pick on him , im even scared to have him have friends over, just because if the parents hear about him being a sex offender they will be worryed about their kids...but yet i dont want to come out and tell everyone he goes to school with,, Its just alot to think about and it worries me.
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Message 143887 (In Reply to Message 143879)
certain offenses
Posted by oioi
on Jan 14, 2005 09:53 PM | Also by oioi
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If this type of offense is repeated, yes, I do think that they should list the offender. For a one time offense of statuatory rape between a teen and a young adult- I don't necessarily think that it is appropriate to list someone. But, if he/she offends again, in spite of having been "caught" the first time, this is definitely a pattern.
Nothing against your partner personally. I am not saying that he is a bad person, but I think it betrays *at least* a lack of prudence on his part that he would offend again. Also, if the girls complained there is some doubt in my mind that the act was completely consensual. I remember being a teenager and having made mistakes in judgement as well, but assault or coersion (in any sense of the word) is more than a lapse in judgement.
Best and stay strong, Oioi
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Message 143962 (In Reply to Message 121946)
re your poll steve...
Posted by anti
on Jan 15, 2005 08:55 PM | Also by anti
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my reply here is yes, all of course need to be listed, but as you asked, should it be seen who is most dangerous, yes.
anti
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Message 143989 (In Reply to Message 143887)
oioi
Posted by orolan
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Also, if the girls complained there is some doubt in my mind that the act was completely consensual.
More often than not in these cases the girl (or boy) didn't complain. A parent did. At that point it becomes irrelevant whether the relationship was consensual or the girl wants a prosecution. She becomes the angel and he becomes the monster.
I agree though that repeating the mistake shows a certain lack of common sense and may indicate a problem that should be addressed.
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Posted by dp1
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I agree though that repeating the mistake shows a certain lack of common sense and may indicate a problem that should be addressed.
The purpose of the registry is to inform the public and hopefully avoid a situation where the crime is repeated. Obviously, a certain lack of common sense was part of the problem during the first offense. A sexual offense does indicate that there's a problem that should be addressed. It's sad to think that some people want to hide this information from the public. After the second offense it's too late. They are most likely level 3 or predators at that point and will likely be sent to prison. Moot point in that case.
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Message 144010 (In Reply to Message 121946)
Posted by taytay22
on Jan 16, 2005 11:21 PM | Also by taytay22
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id like to thank everyone for your honest opinions and not being to harsh. its nice to find a place like this were people can share their thoughts and opinions and I do need someone to talk to this about, it bothers me horribly. its funny though now that my boyfriend is 32 years old and mature and a father, he says if he ever has a daughter hes gonna lock her in her bedroom,, Must be because he knows how guys are!!! I dont know what id do if i was the parent in this situation, now that i know what it has done to us, I dont know if i would really go after a 21 year old for being with my daughter who was almost 16, it would bother me if my daughter was sleeping with anyone,, rather hes 16 or 21, Id try to stop her from seeing him, but i dont know if i would want this to happen to another young man. My boyfriend was a very imature 21 yr old as alot are, he was hanging out with younger people, basically a alcoholic just being very bad, I was after a 21 yr old when i was 15 years old, alot of young girls like older guys cause they are "cool" boy i thought that guy was the world when i was 15 and trust me he was a loser haha, I know the girls wanting them isnt a excuse cause the men are the adults and should use the word NO. I dont think most young men have any idea what the out come of their choices might be..of course they know they could get jail time or probation but I dont think they know they would have to register as a sex offender, im sure if my boyfriend knew then what he knows now he would have been smarter! cause he has to pay for life now. again thank you all for being friendly with me and i apreciate anything else you have to say.
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Message 147931 (In Reply to Message 121946)
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yes
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Message 148004 (In Reply to Message 147931)
Registries, tool or punishment
Posted by newmind6
on Mar 25, 2005 07:40 AM | Also by newmind6
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The sex offender registries are still a relatively new tool in child/community safety. Most states now require lifetime registration for most offenders who are so registered. But as with all new things there will be sorting out process. This will take time, and unfortunately mean that some people will suffer. There are over 1,000 lawsuits already filed based on constitutional challenges to the manner in which the registries are utilized and who are posted, and by what means are they evaluated for posting.
In time many will be removed as they better determine those who pose a real threat and separate them from those who have proven to be of acceptable risk. It is a process and as with all processes it is open to flaw. The lifetime registration requirement will be one of the things that you will most likely see overturned within the next 4 years. And in time other aspects will be added and reworked to better fine tune this tool. Right now the registries are used to punish first and inform well, maybe fifth or sixth. But they are a valuable tool and as with all tools, it needs to be sharpened and updated.
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Message 148137 (In Reply to Message 121946)
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When they get the hang of it, the Registries would be an effective tool in keeping children safe. But there should be some type of scale determining the alert level of the offender, not just based on the gravity of the crime. Say 1 to 10, with 10 being the Type I exclusive Pediphile who actively seeks victims. The information on the scale should come from their treatment history and compliance. Or also a Level 1 would be a violent, forceful offender like a capital rapist. The statutory rapist would be low on the scale. And for those of you who know MY story, I think my husband will come out of prison at a 4 maybe...but then say maybe we would divorce (NOT GONNA HAPPEN) and he would start drinking, and his triggers would start showing up, then the people who manage his parole would have to change that. WHOOPS, you lost your wife? Now youre a 5...WHOOPS, youre not working? Now youre a 6---started skipping group? Now your a 7! Homeless, livin on the street, your an 8...Gee, who can I send this plan to? And can I make any money off of implementing this system? (JUST KIDDIN :)
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Message 148659 (In Reply to Message 148137)
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Reminds me of the Washington guy who got run out of his neighborhood by the usual lynch mob and moved to the next county. There he found himself suddenly bumped up a level. Why? "Domicile instability". In other words, he moved. That's it.
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Message 148728 (In Reply to Message 148659)
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RiverCyan: I posted to you when you asked about treatment for inmates under the care and custody of the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections. Greetings to this thread. I see you indeed been educating yourself and are becoming adept at the catch phrases. Yes, I believe you will succeed because you have taken the time and energy to educate yourself.
Personally I don’t know who would really be qualified to monitor such a sliding scale as you propose, though I do like the concept. But the registries are predominately a shame tool. The belief that shame will keep future offenders from becoming such can not really be tested. I think their biggest asset is informing women with children who are using the Internet as a dating service. I am more in favor of a national registry with a uniform site and uniform information exchange. Each state has its own criteria for publication and classification and what goes in one state may not have an equal in another.
When I want to get morbid about my picture on the Internet I close my eyes and imagine the suffering of my victim. This is years and years later, and I bet she can close her eyes and remember it all as though it happened yesterday. If her knowing that my crime is public had provided her with some sense of justice then it is worth it. Though I was grandfathered into the website long after my crime was committed I do know this.
I am not allowed to choose the consequences of my actions, but God does allow me choose my actions.
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Message 159563 (In Reply to Message 148004)
Posted by cala
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I'd like to hope that the registry will be updated to reflect those that are truly a threat to the community. When people have to register as an offender, not only the individual is affected. It affects the entire family. To register for life is a strong punishment that's not always deserving. My husband was charged in 1998 with a lewd act on a minor
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Message 159592 (In Reply to Message 148137)
Posted by Valerie
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May I ask just exactly what you would define levels of risk?
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Message 159674 (In Reply to Message 159592)
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I think she did a pretty good job of that already.
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Message 159676 (In Reply to Message 121946)
Poll response
Posted by HaveSeenAllSides
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Should there be a mechanism to limit those listed on sex offender registries to those who are most dangerous?
Yes.
The PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE registries limit to the most dangerous. Anyone convicted of a sex crime should go on a police accessible registry so if sex crimes happen, police can see who in the area has been convicted. More then one conviction, or a heinous act, would get you on the public registry. I do not know who would be responsible for deciding what is "heinous," but it would need to be a national decision.
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Posted by Scaye
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I believe that this would be a more proper course. If we did this then maybe we really could keep track of the offenders that are just waiting to offend again. And perhaps with the proper monitoring these guys would never cross that line again.
Just my 2 cents.
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Posted by H76356
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The PUBLIC ACCESSIBLE registries limit to the most dangerous. Anyone convicted of a sex crime should go on a police accessible registry so if sex crimes happen, police can see who in the area has been convicted. More then one conviction, or a heinous act, would get you on the public registry. I do not know who would be responsible for deciding what is "heinous," but it would need to be a national decision.
This is the most sane and rational suggestion so far. My hat is off to you.
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Message 163130 (In Reply to Message 162957)
Posted by HaveSeenAllSides
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This is the most sane and rational suggestion so far. My hat is off to you.
Why thank you (blushing here) ; )
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Message 171739 (In Reply to Message 121946)
Posted by tomcat1
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The system for registering sexual offenders has been deemed by the 9th circut of the federal court of appeals to be punitive in function, if not intent. This imortant distinction has important ramifications. The overwhelming majority of offenders who are required to register, are not violent and their crimes were not against minors/children. However, this is where the afore mentioned court ruling becomes paramount. By making the roles of offenders reqired to register show no distinction between those who have actually done prison time; a distinction between crimes not of child/minor nature; most importantly a distinction between those whom professionals have deemed as "preditor" and those who are not, we actually leave people with a false sense of sucurity. The latent intent of the sexual offender lists is punitive, not to imform. Federal government studies, which now have several years data to work with, have at best shown inconclusive results and at it worst, that they do not make society significantly safer. Because of rampant vigilantyism against, not only those who have payed there penalties, but also other family members and, more importantly, against the small children of those who carry the modern eqivilant of a scarlet letter on them due to having their profiles posted. We ultimately then, are not served by having as system that even the federal court of appeals has determined is punitive and doesn't appear to do more than give society a false sense of saftey and, most surely, a sense of being in control over their and theri family members lives. A graduated system with only the most dangerous offenders being required to have their data and photo posted on the web, is sorely needed. The others could still be reqired to register, however, only the most dangerous would be publicly displayed on the web.
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Message 171801 (In Reply to Message 171739)
Posted by Valerie
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I was wondering about something...when a guy is listed or characterized by the word "repeat" offender is that with multiple persons or did the guy have sex with the same girl more than once? To me they are totally different animals and the term repeat could become very subjective....it seems I read somewhere that a guy was charged with multiple counts, but was with the same consenting girlfriend, any answers "as defined by law"...
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Message 171803 (In Reply to Message 171739)
Posted by Valerie
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Ps. the registries are not clear on that point so I do a little digging and look for the word (victim) or victims and you have to search the database for dates also... if the guy was charged on the same date I liken it with the same victim....even then its not apparent the circumstances...
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Posted by Renunciation
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And so it begins, as I stated, things are afoot that are far bigger than most of us here.
Public lists are very close to going away. LE will soon register ALL arrestees, regardless of convictions, but the lists will be kept private EXCEPT when private citizens pay a hefty "fee" to have access to the material.
Please people, anyone who understands Americans knows what is the driving force for these changes.......... money
Local governments and states can create a true profit center by closing off the public lists, the hysteria is so great now that billions of dollars in revenue is waiting to be received from people willing to pay to snoop on their neighbors....... instead of spending 50-70% of a budget monitoring and registering 1% of the criminals, they can actually profit.....
The fear and hysteria has been created, now they can close off the lists, and start charging, because people are so scared, they will pay and pay and pay and cannot complain because there will be no increase in taxes...
CA will use this ploy to help offset their deficit.
The Feds might screw up the entire mess tho............. hehehe
Renny
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Message 171861 (In Reply to Message 121946)
Posted by indisaray
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It is now illegal in Michigan to interact with your childrens friends!!It is a felony as of January 1, 06
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Message 171911 (In Reply to Message 171739)
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do you have a link to this ruling or articles about this ruling?
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121946, admin, Nov 19, 2003 04:30 PM [Introduction]
143832, taytay22, Jan 14, 2005 04:09 AM [yes]
143856, dp1, Jan 14, 2005 02:27 PM
143879, taytay22, Jan 14, 2005 05:36 PM [to,, dp1]
143887, oioi, Jan 14, 2005 09:53 PM [certain offenses]
143989, orolan, Jan 16, 2005 04:07 PM [oioi]
144004, dp1, Jan 16, 2005 09:39 PM
143962, anti, Jan 15, 2005 08:55 PM [re your poll steve...]
144010, taytay22, Jan 16, 2005 11:21 PM
147931, monkey4u, Mar 24, 2005 04:29 AM
148004, newmind6, Mar 25, 2005 07:40 AM [Registries, tool or punishment]
159563, cala, Aug 23, 2005 10:48 PM
148137, RiverCyan, Mar 27, 2005 07:49 AM
148659, orolan, Apr 01, 2005 02:42 AM
148728, newmind6, Apr 01, 2005 11:05 PM
159592, Valerie, Aug 24, 2005 02:53 AM
159674, orolan, Aug 25, 2005 01:33 AM
159676, HaveSeenAllSides, Aug 25, 2005 01:52 AM [Poll response]
162957, H76356, Sep 29, 2005 05:17 AM
163130, HaveSeenAllSides, Oct 01, 2005 03:01 AM
162830, Scaye, Sep 27, 2005 04:49 PM
171739, tomcat1, Jan 21, 2006 07:32 AM
171801, Valerie, Jan 21, 2006 04:50 PM
171803, Valerie, Jan 21, 2006 04:55 PM
171824, Renunciation, Jan 21, 2006 06:48 PM
171911, youtoo, Jan 23, 2006 06:35 AM
171861, indisaray, Jan 22, 2006 06:23 PM
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