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Thread (Discussion): Poll 1008 - Has the internet increased the opportunity for sex criminals to obtain victims?
Message 121929
Introduction
Posted by admin
on Nov 19, 2003 04:30 PM | Also by admin
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Discuss Poll 1008 - Has the internet increased the opportunity for sex criminals to obtain victims?
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Message 125851 (In Reply to Message 121929)
Absolutely!
Posted by pervertpolice
on Jan 23, 2004 03:47 AM | Also by pervertpolice
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There is no doubt that the Internet has done just that. Did you know that prior to the mid 1980's child pornography (through the work of US Customs and Postal inspectors) had been virtually eliminated from the US? That is no longer the case. Also as one who served on the FBI's Innocent Images Task Force, I went online as both a young boy and a young girl. It took about 30 seconds for adults to start hitting on me and the third or forth question was sexual in nature. As I said there is no doubt.
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Message 125931 (In Reply to Message 125851)
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Now there's a testimonial for John Ashcroft's front-line troops, the Federal Bureau of Incompetence.
Couldn't you do better than that for a name? Something as befitting your profession? Oh wait. You did. My bad.
But to answer the poll, I think that to a degree it has made it easier. By the same token, it has made it much easier for folks like PP above to fabricate opportunities.
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Message 125961 (In Reply to Message 125931)
mystik
Posted by dp1
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But to answer the poll, I think that to a degree it has made it easier. By the same token, it has made it much easier for folks like PP above to fabricate opportunities.
I agree 100%. It's an excellent tool for LE to catch the bad guys. Somehow I read your post as you not being in favor of these actions. Can you elaborate?
DP1
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Message 125990 (In Reply to Message 125851)
Posted by steve
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There's no doubt in my mind that the Internet has made it easier for people to find victims. It's made it easier for people to get information and educate themselves too. Technology is going to advance for both sides so to me it seems that good parenting is going to be the key in preventing kids from being victimized.
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Message 126069 (In Reply to Message 125851)
Posted by Silverthorne
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I really question the FBI's handling of some of their cases given fiascos like CANDYMAN where they lied to get subpeonas.
http://www.injusticebusters.com/2003/Candyman_entrapment.htm
Also I've been in adult gay chatrooms and had all kinds of people send me IM's and say "Im 16" "Im 14" and such. They IM me FIRST. No way they are all kids.
Just a couple of months ago I posted an article here about a man who was arrested in another state after he moved. His crime? Talking to a "boy" on IM. Nothing about sex. The article in the paper even said THE BOY TRIED TO SET UP MEETINGS AND THE MAN REFUSED then moved. Why is the so called "kid" trying to set up a meeting? Why are they going after someone who DID NOT MEET with him and did nothing else wrong? Just talking to an alledged "kid" is a crime now?
I know in those adult rooms my first question is always HOW OLD ARE YOU? Anything under 18 and my next message is YOUR UNDER 18 I WONT TALK TO YOU. I then save the chatlog JUST IN CASE it was some unethical person looking for a bust.
Silverthorne
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Message 127411 (In Reply to Message 125851)
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Did you know that probably a good third of those in law enforcement will commit a sex crime? A Utah study shows at least a third of the complaints against law enforcement officers is for sex crimes. And some investigating child porn will become addicted to it? I don't have any hard statistics on how many will be come addicted to child porn. These are just my observations from tracking sex crimes by law enforcement officers.
Special Focus: LAW ENFORCEMENT SEX OFFENDERS
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=108
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Message 127429 (In Reply to Message 127411)
Propaganda
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Last I checked there was a distinct difference between complaints and crimes. Don't fool yourself with those unverified reports unless you are reporting true convictions.
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Message 127434 (In Reply to Message 127411)
Ummm!
Posted by orolan
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Not in my nature to defend the boys in blue, but
a good third of those in law enforcement
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a third of the complaints against law enforcement officers
are not the same thing. Not EVERY officer is going to commit a crime. There are good ones out there.
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Message 127537 (In Reply to Message 125961)
DP1
Posted by mystik
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Somehow I read your post as you not being in favor of these actions. Can you elaborate?
Sure. I think that our police have better things to do with their time than lurking around chat rooms telling people they are 13 year-old girls and hoping an adult will initiate a sexual discussion. But for those who are caught, I have no sympathy.
What I have a bigger problem with is private individuals doing it. Outfits like PervertedJustice.com. Now if that isn't a fitting name for a website, I don't know what is. Because they are all perverted. And the police don't care too much for them, because they've blown a few cases the police worked months on. I get the impression that PP is one of this ilk, or one of those cops on a site I visited that is advertised on this site somewhere. They do the chat thing, not always "officially", and post the logs and make jokes about them. Of course they're text files, so they could be making every one of them up. They even have a special section and group who targets teachers. But if you ask them about cops who commit sex offenses, they'll block you IP address.
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Message 144032 (In Reply to Message 121929)
Posted by taytay22
on Jan 17, 2005 02:37 PM | Also by taytay22
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I wouldnt say the police have better things to do then catch perverts on the computer!! I think its a very important thing there doing and they are saving some childs lives!
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Message 144081 (In Reply to Message 144032)
taytay
Posted by orolan
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Read this report, which will tell you that while 19% of our youth experience SOME form of online solicitation, be it in a chatroom or unsolicited email (anybody on Yahoo, Hotmail, Lycos, etc gets those by the hundreds regardless of age) or a porn popup, only 3% were classified as "aggressive" as in the solicitor tried to set up a meeting. Additionally only 25% of the solicitors were adults while 48% were themselves kids.
http://www.unh.edu/ccrc/pdf/Victimization_Online_Survey.pdf
After you've read that one, read this one. It will tell you that 62% of our youth 13-18 years old drink alcohol, 40% smoke cigarettes, 32% smoke pot and overall 38% of our youth partake of some form of illegal drug. Heck, 4.6% of them, which is 50% more than received an aggressive solicitation online, are addicted to crystal meth.
http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofax/HSYouthtrends.html
So, what is the more efficient use of resources if the primary purpose is to save the lives of our children?
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Message 144090 (In Reply to Message 144081)
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Orolan, would you rather your daughter smoke or get lured by a pedophile online? It's a pretty simple choice is it not? DP1
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Message 144098 (In Reply to Message 144090)
Posted by orolan
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Orolan, would you rather your daughter smoke or get lured by a pedophile online?
That's stupid. Did you read the studies? Half the "pedophiles" online talking dirty to the kids are other kids. It's really quite comical to watch my 17 year-old pretend to be a 25 year-old woman seeking a lesbian encounter with a 16 year-old girl when that 16 year-old girl is really some 40 year-old cop with a closet cross-dressing problem. As soon as she tells them how old she really is it's suddenly "sexygal1988 has left the room".
It's such a waste of time. These days with all the attention given to chat room stings, any pedophile stupid enough to be in there is going to get busted well before getting a chance to actually meet somebody. They're the type like that guy here who brought his computer in to be fixed with the screensaver enabled that cycled through all of his KP. Stupid with a capital "S".
Better to be out there busting the drug dealers. Drugs are addictive and can lead to a life of crime or in cases of overdose, death. Far more serious than "Dad, some pervert actually asked me to meet him at a motel. Can you believe that?"
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Message 144108 (In Reply to Message 121929)
Posted by taytay22
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if the adults online talking dirty to children were other kids why do th cops catch and arrest so many adults for meeting young people for sex off the computer? and why are alot of young girls get abducted and used as a sex slave by these online pedofiles
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Message 144110 (In Reply to Message 144098)
Orolan
Posted by dp1
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You wouldn't find it comical at all if one of your daughters got hurt by a sex offender online regardless of the stats. It's no secret that empathy isn't exactly your strong point and as long as something doesn't effect you personally it's no big deal, right? Anything to deflect attention away from busting pedos....oh well, as sad as it may seem we are all entitled to our opinion:-(
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Message 144131 (In Reply to Message 121929)
re poll
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ohh yes, w/out a doubt...
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Message 144141 (In Reply to Message 121929)
The whole thing
Posted by oioi
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Well, I know that a lot of law enforcement are not trustworthy. That is a good reason to stay out of their sites.
Overall, yes, the internet has definitely increased the opportunity for criminals to obtain victims (sexual or financial).
Don't know what else to say.
Oioi
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Message 147928 (In Reply to Message 121929)
Posted by monkey4u
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yes
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121929, admin, Nov 19, 2003 04:30 PM [Introduction]
125851, pervertpolice, Jan 23, 2004 03:47 AM [Absolutely!]
125931, mystik, Jan 24, 2004 12:13 AM
125961, dp1, Jan 24, 2004 04:44 AM [mystik]
127537, mystik, Feb 19, 2004 01:07 AM [DP1]
125990, steve, Jan 24, 2004 04:49 PM
126069, Silverthorne, Jan 25, 2004 03:37 AM
127411, Navigatr1, Feb 16, 2004 11:18 AM
127429, dp1, Feb 17, 2004 01:42 AM [Propaganda]
127434, orolan, Feb 17, 2004 02:32 AM [Ummm!]
144032, taytay22, Jan 17, 2005 02:37 PM
144081, orolan, Jan 18, 2005 01:59 AM [taytay]
144090, dp1, Jan 18, 2005 03:08 AM
144098, orolan, Jan 18, 2005 04:37 AM
144110, dp1, Jan 18, 2005 02:27 PM [Orolan]
144108, taytay22, Jan 18, 2005 02:06 PM
144131, anti, Jan 18, 2005 10:47 PM [re poll]
144141, oioi, Jan 19, 2005 01:42 AM [The whole thing]
147928, monkey4u, Mar 24, 2005 04:26 AM
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