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Don't forget, victorialondon and I have already made mention of Britain's proposed NIR (National Identity Register), and that Britain currently has a policy of taking a DNA database of every ARRESTEE (including speeders). The NIR is a general, British version of SO databases. Well, if such legislation passes here, I don't think there will be too many changes in my routine because I'm already considered a suspect. Average Americans will get a taste of what we have experienced for years. America always talks about equal protection under the law, now all will be considered to be potential criminals, not just 1) blacks, 2) arabs, and 3) SO's. I fit under category 1, many of you fit under category 3. If something goes down near me, 24 hour tracking of every car will clear me of any wrong doing. Forum Home | Top of Thread | Jump To Parent (169910) In order to post a message to a new thread or reply to existing messages you must be logged in. If you'd like to post messages please login or register as a new user. Message 169921 (In Reply to Message 169910)Posted by orolan on Dec 23, 2005 01:27 AM | Also by orolan
Those Brits:-)) Actually such a thing would require a MAJOR shakeup in the USA to implement. Remember, England is no bigger than Oregon. And California alone has as many automobiles as England. Add to that the fact that while license plates are standardized throughout England the USA has thousands of different ones. Every state is different and many states have nearly 100 different "special" plates that can be purchased. Far easier for NSA to simply take over Onstar and mandate its inclusion in EVERY vehicle, whether you want it or not. Forum Home | Top of Thread | Jump To Parent (169910) In order to post a message to a new thread or reply to existing messages you must be logged in. If you'd like to post messages please login or register as a new user. Message 169934 (In Reply to Message 169910)Posted by 1dadof5 on Dec 23, 2005 04:53 AM | Also by 1dadof5
This is an outrage! How can they get away with intusion of the ability of people to drive about as they please? No doubt they will use this to punish people who protest, or engage in activities that the government decides is illegal at some later date. These kinds of intrusions in privacy will no doubt make people wish to leave the country. I know it makes me think twice about wanting to visit there again knowing I have absolutely no privacy to go and do as I please without being watched constantly. Im sure the US would love to do something like that here. Would our ciizens really stand for that kind of intrusion? I bet they would because they will drink the kool aid and believe that it is all for public safety Forum Home | Top of Thread | Jump To Parent (169910) In order to post a message to a new thread or reply to existing messages you must be logged in. If you'd like to post messages please login or register as a new user. Message 169953 (In Reply to Message 169934)Posted by Renunciation on Dec 23, 2005 05:43 PM | Also by Renunciation
I cannot believe the Brits are allowing it............. But then, we allowed the NSA to do what they please for 25 years. Now we plan to allow the DIA and enlisted military to arrest American Citizens without the notification of local police agencies. (EO probably will be signed next year) That means someone who failed Home Ec in High School, joined the Army and learned how to speak Arabic can decide that YOUR actions in travel and communication around the world are in violation of the DIA checklist for terror and arrest you on suspicion........ and once in THAT system.......... you might never get out. Problem is, you are right, Americans would just roll over and accept anything that includes the mantras: "protectify the children" "make America safetier" "fight the war on terrifiedor" "spread peace and democracy throughout the world" and my favorite......... "Ensure that all people have the right to have their voices heard and be part of a freer and prosperous society" Woooooooooo Hoooooooooooo R Forum Home | Top of Thread | Jump To Parent (169934) In order to post a message to a new thread or reply to existing messages you must be logged in. If you'd like to post messages please login or register as a new user. Message 169956 (In Reply to Message 169919)Posted by orolan on Dec 23, 2005 07:32 PM | Also by orolan
If something goes down near me, 24 hour tracking of every car will clear me of any wrong doing. "Oops. There apparently was a bad sector on that HDD and we just happened to have lost the data from Brennus' area for the day in question." The government would have such a program to prove your guilt, not for you to prove your innocence. If they want you, you'll hear the above excuse. I expect once GPS usage expands you'll see the same thing. Prosecutors will take advantage of the known shortcomings. Not to prove your guilt, but to discredit your alibi. They already do it with polygraphs. If it says you're lying, it's 100% accurate. If it says you're telling the truth, well it isn't admissable in court anyway. Forum Home | Top of Thread | Jump To Parent (169919) In order to post a message to a new thread or reply to existing messages you must be logged in. If you'd like to post messages please login or register as a new user. Message 170032 (In Reply to Message 169921)Posted by Navigatr1 on Dec 25, 2005 01:50 PM | Also by Navigatr1
orolan wrote:
I agree, and believe that every parent should be required to have Onstar equipped vehicles for the safety of their children. If the car gets stolen while their children are in it, then the car can be tracked. If they accidently lock the car with their infant inside, then Onstar can unlock it for them. There are any number of possibilities where requiring parents to have Onstar equipped vehicles would far outweigh the costs to the parents for having the service. Personally I am not a fan of Onstar. While I can certainly see the benefits, my privacy is more important to me than having someone track my every move when I am driving. I don't need government or businesses intruding in my private life. How is this data going to be used? For marketing purposes? Let's say I frequent certain types of businesses, am I going to see ads in the mail for similiar businesses? Or will the advertising I hear on the radio or TV be tailored to the types of businesses I frequent? --Navigatr1 Forum Home | Top of Thread | Jump To Parent (169921) In order to post a message to a new thread or reply to existing messages you must be logged in. If you'd like to post messages please login or register as a new user. Message 170070 (In Reply to Message 170032)Posted by orolan on Dec 27, 2005 04:58 PM | Also by orolan
Personally I am not a fan of Onstar. Me either. They claim they don't actually "track" your movements, they just pull it up when asked to do something. But do you believe that? I don't. Seems the Feds do need to require parents to have it on their vehicles "for the children". Privacy takes a back seat to safety, after all. Forum Home | Top of Thread | Jump To Parent (170032) Thread169910, Renunciation, Dec 22, 2005 04:30 PM [Is the USA next?] 169919, brennus, Dec 23, 2005 12:14 AM [UK has already had him] 169956, orolan, Dec 23, 2005 07:32 PM 169921, orolan, Dec 23, 2005 01:27 AM 170032, Navigatr1, Dec 25, 2005 01:50 PM 170070, orolan, Dec 27, 2005 04:58 PM 169934, 1dadof5, Dec 23, 2005 04:53 AM 169953, Renunciation, Dec 23, 2005 05:43 PM Forum Home | Top of Thread
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