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Thread (Discussion): Banishment as an explicit punishment for all crimes - Anyone still support banishing and listing former missile techs?
Message 166636
Posted by brennus
on Nov 06, 2005 01:04 AM | Also by brennus
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I've heard that Georgia is the only state where people can legally be banished from an entire county, or for that matter, all counties except for one. I've been thinking how our criminal justice system would look if banishment was used more widely and explicitly.
Also, Renunciation had a similar idea about banishment of SO's to Riverside County, but that was for SO's only, and for life. My proposal would not be limited to SO's, It can be from any term from 6 months to 60 years, and apply to anyone over 18.
Guiidelines
1) The length of banishment shall be determinate, range from 6 months to 60 years, and shall start after either conviction or release from prison. Under no circumstances shall banishment be longer than 60 years. Conditions can be modified every 6 months, or anytime when a "change of conditions" is needed. After 10 years in cases where banishment is for a period more than 10 years, the banishee can petition for removal of the banishment.
2) Anyone with a sentence over 1 year can be banished, except for drug posession offenders or property criminals with a loss amount of under $1000. Anyone over 18 can be banished, but under no circumstances shall anyone under 18 be banished.
3) The person can be banished from or TO a specific house, area, neighborhood, city, county or counties or even job. If banished to a house or area, the banishment must not be more than 2 years and must be replaced with banishment to the county after 2 years. This would be over and above probation or parole restrictions limiting travel outside the country or even county. This last would apply mostly to people embezzling from stores and other establishments which are not financial institutions.
4)If under federal jurisdiction, the criminal can be banished from or to any state or combination of states therof, except if banished from the other 49 states, the banishee shall reside or travel only in the state of residence or conviction. A person banished to a certain state can also be banished to a certain county within that state.
5) A banished person loses the right to work, travel and the right to be present in the area banished from. If found in an unauthorized area, the banishment can be either extended or revoked. If revoked, the banishee shall spend the remainder of the banishment term either in prison, or on a combination of prison and banishment. in no case shall the prison term be less than 1 year, unless the remaining banishment term is less than 1 year, in which case the banishee shall be sent to prison for his remaining term.
6) Banishment shall only be an appropiate sentence on sentencing if there is a plea bargain, or if the judge sentences the defendant to it. It shall not be used as punishment for a probation violation or extended past the original term. If convicted of a new criminal offense, a new banishment term can always be started.
7) A special Banishment Court shall be set up in each jurisdiction which agrees to such a request. Funding shall come from a $30 per month surchange placed on each banished offender. If not enough money is raised this way, then funding shall come from each state's general fund (or in the case of the Fed, the Treasury).
8)There shall be job opportunities and training commensurate with the skills of each banishee under control of the Banishment Court. There shall be no discrimination due to his banishee status, and after probation or parole, no special disabilities on account of his banishment status.
Judges should have the latitude to impose as many exclusion zones as necesary within the "on-limits" areas, as long as they are reasonable. How many of you, both SO's and non SO's, would support banishment as a EXPLICIT punishment for crimes (any crime, not just SO's).
It would be interesting to see how this would play out. A drug dealer selling drugs in his community? Banishment to a rural area for 5 years. Graffiti tagger? Banished to the suburbs. Drunk drivers, banished from bars and all other places which serve alcohol. Renunciation can still get his plan of a SO colony in Riverside County, CA.
There would be all kinds of interesting uses for it.
Would your opinion change of SO residency laws if banishment was specifically and explicitly included as the punishment for any felony offense?
SO's, Victims, and all others welcome!!!
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Message 166811 (In Reply to Message 166636)
Posted by Renunciation
on Nov 07, 2005 07:45 PM | Also by Renunciation
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Age Bracket: 30 - 39,
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Country: Bahrain |
Would your opinion change of SO residency laws if banishment was specifically and explicitly included as the punishment for any felony offense?
Rome used exile and banishment and look how that worked out for them!
They were overthrown and crushed by barbarians whose leaders were Roman citizens banished to the outlands for crimes, race, political affiliation and other reasons.
At least Rome had the sense to banish these people outside their own fluid borders, the US exiles and banishes people WITHIN its borders. In this nation you can break into three homes, one of those homes will have a gun you could use later.
Exile and Banishment is going to hurt the US, not for awhile, but down the road when the kids of banshed people start having kids.. and all are treated like the ones who were banished... its gonna hurt.
But really......... who cares? Rome fell, so can the US. Life for most will go on.
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Message 166873 (In Reply to Message 166636)
Posted by orolan
on Nov 08, 2005 04:02 AM | Also by orolan
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I've heard that Georgia is the only state where people can legally be banished from an entire county, or for that matter, all counties except for one.
Not quite correct. Used to be that courts would banish felons from various counties, and even from the entire state. A Georgia Supreme Court ruling; the case name escapes me, held that an Court in the State could banish a felon, but ONLY from that Court's jurisdiction. Thus a County (Magistrate) Court can banish from that particualr county but no others. Likewise a Circuit Court (typical Felony Court comprising 4-7 counties) can banish only from that particular Circuit but no other Circuit. A side-effect not anticipated is that a Circuit Court can't banish from one particular county within the Circuit. Either ALL counties, or none. The ruling further held that the only Court holding statewide jurisdiction was the Supreme Court itself, thus since it was not in the business of trying cases and handing down sentences, no felon could be subject to banishment from the State.
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Message 167562 (In Reply to Message 166636)
Anyone still support banishing and listing former missile techs?
Posted by Renunciation
on Nov 18, 2005 04:01 PM | Also by Renunciation
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http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47464
Does anyone know how we can compile the numbers/names/addresses of the former specialized military members who have since been convicted of sex crimes, and are listed on websites, banished from their communities and exiled within their former nation? Is the FBI collecting data regarding the former employment of these people? Does anyone think that might be a good idea? Hmmm?
Vacation time. Be back the 28th!
The commission, in its work over a period of several years, found that EMP is one of a small number of threats that has the potential to hold American society seriously at risk and that might also result in the defeat of U.S. military forces.
"The electromagnetic field pulses produced by weapons designed and deployed with the intent to produce EMP have a high likelihood of damaging electrical power systems, electronics and information systems upon which any reasonably advanced society, most specifically including our own, depend vitally," Wood said. "Their effects on systems and infrastructures dependent on electricity and electronics could be sufficiently ruinous as to qualify as catastrophic to the American nation."
The commission concluded in its report to Congress earlier this year: "EMP is one of a small number of threats that may hold at risk the continued existence of today's U.S. civil society.''
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166636, brennus, Nov 06, 2005 01:04 AM
166811, Renunciation, Nov 07, 2005 07:45 PM
166873, orolan, Nov 08, 2005 04:02 AM
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