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admin on Aug 13, 2005 02:54 PM | Also by admin
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Discuss the article Issaquah to adopt tough new sex offender rules, by Mary Nam, which appeared on KOMO TV on August 11, 2005.

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Posted by
dp1 on Aug 14, 2005 01:08 PM | Also by dp1
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What's fair and reasonable is to have a safe community for our children to grow up in."


Agreed. So which neighborhood should they move to? Is it fair and reasonable to place another community at risk?

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orolan on Aug 14, 2005 02:17 PM | Also by orolan
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I could sort of understand the concerns if the city had 2,000 sex offenders. But it only has two. And they live at the SAME address. Now how hard can it be to tell your kids to stay away from ONE house. How hard can it be to keep your eye on TWO men?

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Navigatr1 on Aug 14, 2005 02:57 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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I could see these ordinances spreading like wildfire on the Eastside and to Seattle if Issaquah passes this ordinance. Just like what is happening in Florida and other states, it does nothing to protect the kids as we are a mobile society. All it does is give the politicians a knotch in their belt for another feel good law, and society a false sense of security.

They don't care where these guys live just as long as it isn't in their backyard. They are don't nothing constructive to find places for them to live. Of course they would rather have the sex offenders live in prison for life. They should be passing legislation for life sentences then rather than these idiotic ordinances.

--Navigatr1

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City sets limits on sex offenders


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Navigatr1 on Aug 16, 2005 03:57 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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City sets limits on sex offenders; Issaquah clamps tight restrictions on where released offenders can live
http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/214990

2005-08-16
by Chris Winters
Journal Reporter

ISSAQUAH -- An ordinance that places the toughest restrictions yet on where sex offenders can live after they've served their time in prison was approved Monday night by the Issaquah City Council.

A first for Washington state, the Issaquah ordinance prohibits Level 2 and Level 3 offenders -- those considered to be at a moderate and high risk to reoffend, respectively -- from living within 1,000 feet of any public or private school or day-care center.

It also prohibits landlords or property owners within that radius from knowingly renting or otherwise allowing those offenders to live on their properties.

These are pretty tough restrictions. Wonder how long it will take them to expand it to 2500' like most cities in Florida. Now these proximity laws have finally spread to Washington State. It will only be a matter of time before other cities on the Eastside such as Bellevue, Redmond, Kirkland, Woodenville, and other cities in the Greater Seattle area adopt such ordinances to prevent the sex offenders from clustering in their neighborhoods. And the madness continues....

--Navigatr1

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orolan on Aug 16, 2005 04:09 PM | Also by orolan
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Considering the city has only TWO offenders and they are well-known, I think those two have a strong case that this ordinance is an unconstitutional 'special law' passed strictly to harrass them.

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I only wish I lived in Issaquah


Posted by
bf2618 on Aug 18, 2005 03:40 AM | Also by bf2618
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I agree with the argument to a point that setting limits on where these guys can live is not the answer long term and that most of the best changes will begin with legislation. But, as a single mom with 3 small children, I say it's still safer without them in my backyard. Unfortunately, that's almost literal for me. I have a Level 3 sex offender who raped a 9 year old little girl across the street from me who buys puppies and allows them to run across the street to my front yard just so he can "get his dog" and just happen to run into my 7 year old daughter, if that's not classic pedofile behavior, I don't know what is. And, lucky me, a new level 3 offender moved in last month only a 1/2 block away. So, is it fair that my 3 children can't play in their front yard or ride their bikes down our dead end road because of what these 2 people might do to them? Both of these guys commited very violent crimes against their victims and both refused treatment in prison. For one, why is treatment for violent sex offenders an option? And, how do you allow 2 Level 3 offenders to move within a 1/2 block of each other and a multitude of children? So..... considering the option to pass an ordinance getting them out or allowing them to stay in and hold my kids prisoners in their own homes, I say PASS THE ORDINANCE!!!

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Navigatr1 on Aug 20, 2005 03:50 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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bf2618 wrote:

So, is it fair that my 3 children can't play in their front yard or ride their bikes down our dead end road because of what these 2 people might do to them?

There is nothing saying your kids can't play out in the front yard. However, you should be supervising them as a parent anyway, and not just letting them run around loose in the neighborhood.

--Navigatr1

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Issaquah restricts where sex offenders can live


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Aug 20, 2005 03:56 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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uesday, August 16, 2005 - Page updated at 11:59 AM

Issaquah restricts where sex offenders can live
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/eastsidenews/2002441936_sexoffenders16e.html

By Sonia Krishnan

Seattle Times Eastside bureau

"This is a proactive, thoughtful, measured approach," said Councilman Fred Butler. "While we hope that sex offenders don't reoffend, there's no guarantee of that."

It's more of a reactive paranoid approach rather than something they claim is proactive and thoughtful. The measure was passed to because of two level 3 sex offenders living in Issaquah. It doesn't discern which sex offenders actually abused a child. It indiscriminately prohibits all Level2 and Level 3 sex offenders from living within a 1000' of a school, daycare. Nor does it say where sex offenders can live. If it was thoughful, it would be defining places where sex offenders can live, and no children are allowed in those areas.

--Navigatr1

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Tacoma looks at new sex-offender law


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Aug 21, 2005 03:33 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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Tacoma looks at new sex-offender law

Committee considers Issaquah ordinance that restricts housing near schools, day cares
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/story/5118182p-4659043c.html

KRIS SHERMAN; The News Tribune
Published: August 21st, 2005 12:01 AM

Tacoma officials are looking north to a small King County city for a new approach to severely restrict where sex offenders can live.

Mayor Bill Baarsma asked the council’s Public Safety and Human Services Committee to take a look at a copy of a groundbreaking law passed Monday by the Issaquah City Council.

The Issaquah ordinance, spurred by community outrage over two sex offenders’ plans to move into a residential neighborhood, is the stiffest in the state.

[snip]

That’s more restrictive than recently enacted state law that prohibits some sex offenders from living within 880 feet of a public or private school.

Issaquah’s ordinance, designed “to promote the safety of children and other members of the community,” has captured the interest of officials in a number of Puget Sound-area cities.

[snip]

Tacoma Councilman Tom Stenger said he sees both the Iowa decision and the Issaquah ordinance as good news for people worried about sex offenders.

Stiffer restrictions on where registered sex offenders can live would be welcome in Tacoma, which already is “taking more than our fair share” of felons, Stenger said.

Proximity laws are definately starting to spread in Washington State. Where do they expect these sex offenders to live? Don't they know that by enacting these laws, they may drive sex offenders underground? Especially when you consider that some law enforcement juridictions are harassing sex offenders with so called address verifications.

--Navigatr1

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Posted by
artie on Aug 22, 2005 11:50 AM | Also by artie
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raped a 9 year old little girl


The answer is so obvious to me. This man should remain in jail. Period! Leave the ones alone without live victims and you can afford to keep this one locked away.

All of the violent sex offenders coud remain locked up if you diverted the money and resources away from low level offenders.

My motto is: Crime prevention before law enforcement.

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Posted by
orolan on Aug 22, 2005 04:25 PM | Also by orolan
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However, you should be supervising them as a parent anyway

What? Be a RESPONSIBLE parent? Have you lost your mind? Why do that when the government will do it for them?

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Posted by
orolan on Aug 22, 2005 04:44 PM | Also by orolan
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The measure was passed to because of two level 3 sex offenders living in Issaquah.

Note that there are ONLY two registered sex offenders in this city. Period.

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Sick and Tired of that type of response!


Posted by
bf2618 on Aug 22, 2005 04:47 PM | Also by bf2618
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Give me a break! I get so tired of people that don't live where I live telling me that I should "not just let them run around loose in the neighborhood". You don't know me! Nor do you know what type of a parent I am or how much I supervise my children! Because I am a good parent, since moving into the neighborhood 2 years ago, my kids are restricted to the back yard because of the guy across the street who raped a 9 year old little girl! My kids have never "run loose in the neighborhood". And, no matter how much you watch your kids, these guys still manage to find a way to harm them! The guy across the street knows I have a 7 year old little girl, he sees her walk in and out of the house. So, is it okay that he buys puppies and purposely lets them come across the street into my yard so he "has to come and get them"? Not a coincidence! I should be able to let my kids walk down the dead end road(1 1/2 blocks) to their friends house without contantly worrying about these guys, plain and simple!

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Message 159620 (In Reply to Message 158597)
Sex offenders: Move or pay $250 per day


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Aug 24, 2005 02:45 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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Sex offenders: Move or pay $250 per day
http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/215632

2005-08-24
by Chris Winters
Journal Reporter

ISSAQUAH -- Level 2 and 3 sex offenders who live in residential neighborhoods in Issaquah will have to move out by Sept. 1.

Michele Forkner, the city's code compliance officer, confirmed that letters of noncompliance were sent to the three sex offenders in the city living in those neighborhoods.

``They are being asked to move to those approved sections of the city,'' Forkner said.

If the offenders don't leave, they can be fined up to $250 a day until they do.

Under a new ordinance passed Aug. 15, Level 2 and 3 offenders, those judged to be at moderate and high risk of reoffending, can live only in certain commercial, industrial or rural zones, and not within 1,000 feet of any public or private school or day-care center.

There is no way that Issaquah can enforce this fine. If they do, they will be facing a lawsuit bigtime since the ordinance was specifically pass the ordinance to force those 2 sex offenders out. It will be ruled unconstitutional.

If they do force those 2 out, other cities on the Eastside will quickly enact their own ordinances to keep these 2 sex offenders out. However the ordinances if drafted in the same way would force other formerly convicted sex offenders out of their homes starting a cascading effect. All of these sex offenders would suddenly find themselves homeless. Hmm.. The public must now be safer if it has all these homeless sex offenders. Most would probably go underground, and then no one will know where they are.

--Navigatr1

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Cities to study Issaquah sex offender law


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Aug 24, 2005 02:59 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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Published: Wednesday, August 24, 2005

Cities to study Issaquah sex offender law
http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/08/24/100loc_sexlaw001.cfm

By Yoshiaki Nohara
Herald Writer

Two city councils in Snohomish County plan to discuss laws preventing sex offenders from living near places where children gather following the recent passage of such a measure in Issaquah.

In Monroe, Mayor Donnetta Walser said she will let the city attorney research the Issaquah ordinance and pitch a similar law to the City Council.

"This is something I've been very concerned about," Walser said.

In Edmonds, resident Jeremy Steiner has gathered about 50 signatures on a petition urging the city to set rules to keep sex offenders from places where children congregate, such as parks and day care centers.

Now it's spreading out of King County to other counties. This one borders the North side of King County. The domino effect has started. If they draft ordinances like Issaquah, then they will force offenders already living there out causing a cascading effect of homeless sex offenders.

--Navigatr1

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Posted by
orolan on Aug 24, 2005 07:03 PM | Also by orolan
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You don't know me! Nor do you know what type of a parent I am or how much I supervise my children!

I love it when posters do this. They get REAL upset when you get judgemental towards them. Too bad they forget that when they start ranting about RSO's.
since moving into the neighborhood 2 years ago

Curious if the guy across the street was already there, or did he just recently move in?

What's sad is that apparently if the guy across the street WASN'T an RSO, you wouldn't care one bit about him and his puppies. And you wouldn't think twice about your kid walking down to the end of the road.

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Posted by
sboyles on Aug 25, 2005 06:44 AM | Also by sboyles
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I agree... chances that this guy will do anything to you child are very low.. You are just wrapped up in the typical hysteria.. .. Wake up , while you have 2 eyes on this guy, one of your relatives, friends or his / her teacher is 95% more likely to do anything to your child.. What will it take for people like you to realize that.. Ignorance in this matter is the true public saftey issue

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bf2618 on Aug 25, 2005 04:47 PM | Also by bf2618
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I love it when posters do this. They get REAL upset when you get judgemental towards them. Too bad they forget that when they start ranting about RSO's.

Curious if the guy across the street was already there, or did he just recently move in?

What's sad is that apparently if the guy across the street WASN'T an RSO, you wouldn't care one bit about him and his puppies. And you wouldn't think twice about your kid walking down to the end of the road.


Funny how you feel you can express each and every one of your opinions as if you are all knowing and always correct in your statements. Until you live where I live, surrounded by the people I'm surrounded by, and are forced to make the choices I've had to make to keep my kids safe, you have no right to judge me.

And not that I have to justify myself, but in order to make myself very clear, I watch my children and always have very closely. I've never allowed my kids to rome the neighborhood and have always been proactive in teaching them safety rules. Nor have I ever expeced the "government" to watch my kids. I just want my kids to be safe and to be quite frank, I'd feel safer without TWO Level 3 offenders within 2 blocks of my family, plain and simple.

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Limiting Where Sex Offenders Live


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Aug 25, 2005 04:48 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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Limiting Where Sex Offenders Live
http://www.komotv.com/stories/38740.htm

August 24, 2005
By April Zepeda

EDMONDS - First it happened in Issaquah, now three more cities are making the push to get rid of sex offenders in neighborhoods.

The new law on the Eastside forces registered sex offenders to live in designated zones. Other cities like the idea and are thinking about doing the same thing.

Take Edmonds for instance. There's one neighborhood just around the corner from Yost Park that is filled with lots of kids. It's 6/10 of a mile from an elementary school.

The Shell Park neighborhood is also home to the only registered Level 2 or Level 3 sex offender in the Edmonds City limits.


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Posted by
Renunciation on Aug 25, 2005 10:16 PM | Also by Renunciation
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to be quite frank, I'd feel safer without TWO Level 3 offenders within 2 blocks of my family, plain and simple.


If the safety of your children is your top priority, why haven't you moved?

Would seem to me that a "law abiding citizenof society" has more resources and freedom to move away from a sex offender than a sex offender has to move away from you.

Unless you move to protect your children you have to face one of two things:

1. You are a hypocrite or;
2. You are incapable of forming basic child-level logic deductions.

If you are that scared of him, why haven't you moved? You say you should feel safe, but yet, you stay and live in abject fear?

Help us to understand. If I was that scared of my neighbors, I would move.

Have you asked your neighbors if they molest their kids? You do have the right to know if one of them has not yet been caught and your kids sleep over..... Think about that, incest is so prevalent in this country, and underreported that is almost a sure thing that your kids will befriend someone who is being molested... and will probably stay overnight at their house.

You should really check into that and ask the parents directly if they molest their kids.. after all, we are talking about protecting your kids. It would be the same as parental neglect to allow your kids to sleep over someplace and you have not asked the parents the proper questions.

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Message 159792 (In Reply to Message 159622)
Is a village enough?


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Aug 26, 2005 05:16 AM | Also by Navigatr1
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Thursday, August 18, 2005 - Page updated at 12:00 AM

Is a village enough?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002444079_brodeur18m.html

By Nicole Brodeur
Seattle Times staff columnist

The mother called, voice shaking. She had been watching the events in Issaquah like storm clouds headed her way.

Someday soon, her community could follow the Issaquah City Council's lead and rule that Level 2 and Level 3 sex offenders have to live in a certain part of town, or move.

That would be the beginning of the end for her son.


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Posted by
orolan on Aug 27, 2005 03:26 PM | Also by orolan
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You didn't answer my question.
Who lived on that street first? You? Or him?

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Issaquah tells 2 sex offenders to move


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Aug 27, 2005 04:21 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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Wednesday, August 24, 2005 - Page updated at 12:26 AM

Issaquah tells 2 sex offenders to move
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/eastsidenews/2002450339_sexoffender24e.html

By Sonia Krishnan
Seattle Times Eastside bureau

The city of Issaquah has notified two sex offenders sharing a basement apartment in a neighborhood of single-family homes that they must move by Sept. 1 or face fines of $250 a day.

Kyle Lewis, 28, a Level 3 sex offender who spent five years behind bars after being convicted of first-degree child molestation, said yesterday he doesn't know where he's going to live now. He and his roommate, John Weber, a Level 2 offender also convicted of child molestation, are thinking of "packing up a moving truck and driving to a friend's house somewhere," Lewis said.

"The harsh reality is that nobody wants to rent a place to a sex offender," he said.

Lewis and Weber ignited community protest when they moved to 865 Highwood Drive in June. Residents spoke out at council meetings, saying the Squak Mountain neighborhood had been transformed from a place where children played freely outside to a community enveloped in fear.

In response, the City Council passed a law Aug. 15 restricting Level 2 and 3 sex offenders — considered to have a moderate and high risk, respectively, of reoffending — from living within 1,000 feet of schools and day-care facilities. The law effectively limits them to living on about 15 percent of the city's developable land, mostly in office and commercial zones. About 260 housing units are available in those areas.


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Posted by
Navigatr1 on Aug 27, 2005 04:25 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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Come now orolan. You know it doesn't matter to people like bf2618 who moved there first. They always want the offender to move. However, from a news article I just posted, it looks like both sex offenders moved there in June. The city council in response passed this ordinance to force them to move making it highly unconstitutional, and will be thrown out by the courts. In response to your question though, it looks like bf2618 most likeyly lived there first.

--Navigatr1

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Posted by
orolan on Aug 28, 2005 03:56 PM | Also by orolan
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Keep in mind that bf2618 doesn't live in Issaquah. So the two guys in the article aren't her neighbors. She's talking about someone else.
But you're right. The RSO is always the one who needs to move.
I'm a believer in the implications of silence. Her silence on the issue tells me he was there first and she didn't bother to check the registry before moving there.

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ACLU sues Issaquah over sex offender restrictions


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Sep 01, 2005 02:48 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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ACLU sues Issaquah over sex offender restrictions
http://www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/216244

2005-09-01
by Chris Winters
Journal Reporter

The local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has filed suit against the city of Issaquah to overturn its ordinance that prevents sex offenders from living in certain neighborhoods.

The ACLU of Washington took the action on behalf of a mother whom the ordinance would force to evict her son from a house she owns.

Mary Lou Lewis owns a property in the 800 block of Highwood Drive. Her son, Kyle Lewis, is a Level 3 offender who was convicted of child molestation. Kyle and his roommate, John Weber, a Level 2 offender, moved into the house in June.

The announcement from the police that they had moved into the house prompted a community uproar that led the City Council to pass the ordinance as an emergency measure.


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Message 160390 (In Reply to Message 158676)


Posted by
amberleaf on Sep 01, 2005 07:05 PM | Also by amberleaf
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: West Virginia, Country: United States

How about a huge piece of land in NC in the mountains. We could name it Freedom, NC. All sex offenders and their families could live there. It would have its own town Government, grocery stores, shopping center, gas stations, pools, bowling alley, skating rink, theater, etc. Everyone would work. There would be NO harrassment. There would be a community center with constant therapy going on and walk in help if the former rehabilitated sex offender needed counseling right away. There would be group therapy, one on one therapy, victim to offender therapy where applicable, parenting classes & marriage counseling. This town would be built and run by former rehabilitated sex offenders and their families. I would lay odds that this would be more crime free than any other town in America. Of course, the government would probably insist the kids get picked up a few miles away from town and bussed to the nearest town for school. The point here is actually giving a person the chance to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and the chance to prove that they are capable of being rehabilitated. There also would be AA type organization only it would be for the sex offenders. The mentors would be those who have been offense free for at least ten years and those who have been deemed as least likely to reoffend. Sounds like paradise to me compared to what these familes go through now.

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bf2618


Posted by
amberleaf on Sep 01, 2005 07:17 PM | Also by amberleaf
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: West Virginia, Country: United States

Why can your children not play in their front yard or ride their bikes? I don't understand that at all. Are you aware of parental supervision? How about this, if you didn't know there were sex offenders living near you, do you realize the possibility of your UNsupervised child being abducted by a predator that came into the area just looking for an unsupervised child and could possibly live in another town? Then there is also the 90% chance that your child will be molested by a person known to the family, i.e. parent, grandparent, aunt, uncle, cousin, brother, sister, sitter, teacher, friend and the list goes on. Think about these things.

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Message 160392 (In Reply to Message 159728)


Posted by
amberleaf on Sep 01, 2005 07:25 PM | Also by amberleaf
Gender: Female, Age Bracket: N/A, State: West Virginia, Country: United States

Oh I see, you would feel safer with the predator two towns away that has a car and iwill drive to your neighborhood and abduct your unsupervised kids.

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Posted by
orolan on Sep 01, 2005 09:54 PM | Also by orolan
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

The fact that this ordinance does not allow those already in the zone to remain, which other ordinances do, is the main thing that will shut this one down. I believe Issiquah falls in the Ninth Circuit, and the Ninth doesn't play around. I can't think of a better Federal Circuit for this to be heard in.

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Message 160433 (In Reply to Message 160372)


Posted by
orolan on Sep 02, 2005 02:15 PM | Also by orolan
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

So the battle begins.

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Posted by
rabbitreborn on Sep 02, 2005 03:09 PM | Also by rabbitreborn
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Florida, Country: United States

I wonder if there is a way to "fast track" something like this. Bothe to prevent the offender from being thrown out until a decision can be reached one way or another and also to move this along to the SCOTUS (because we all know that eventually that is where this is going to end up) and render a decision that will settle all these laws/ordinances once and for all.

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Message 160448 (In Reply to Message 160372)
Sex Offenders Stay Put Despite Issaquah's Crackdown


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Sep 02, 2005 03:31 PM | Also by Navigatr1
Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

Sex Offenders Stay Put Despite Issaquah's Crackdown
http://www.komotv.com/stories/38909.htm

September 1, 2005
By KOMO Staff

KING COUNTY - Thursday was deadline day in Issaquah.

This was the day the city said sex offenders had to move -- but they didn't.

Kyle Lewis and John Weber are both convicted sex offenders. They moved to Issaquah in June so they could live in a basement apartment in a home owned by Lewis' mother.

But last month, prompted by neighbor complaints, the city council passed a new law restricting where sex offenders could live. It's the toughest in the state.


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Message 160459 (In Reply to Message 160372)
ACLU files suit against Issaquah's sex-offender law


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Sep 02, 2005 04:03 PM | Also by Navigatr1
Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

Friday, September 2, 2005

ACLU files suit against Issaquah's sex-offender law
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/239142_aclu02.html

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER STAFF

ISSAQUAH -- A new Issaquah ordinance tightening housing restrictions on sex-offender housing has been challenged in court by the American Civil Liberties Union.

"Laws that make it virtually impossible for sex offenders to find housing do not make us safer," said Kathleen Taylor, executive director of ACLU of Washington.


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Message 160473 (In Reply to Message 160443)


Posted by
orolan on Sep 02, 2005 06:01 PM | Also by orolan
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

Best thing to do is to seek a temporary injunction preventing implementation until the issue is decided in court. Under the circumstances I don't see the court refusing to grant such an injunction.
At that point it doesn't matter for these two if it take it 5 years to get to SCOTUS:-))

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Posted by
rabbitreborn on Sep 02, 2005 06:29 PM | Also by rabbitreborn
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Florida, Country: United States

I was thinking more along the lines of the case getting to SCOTUS as fast as possible just to shut down all these insane proximity laws. The sooner it happens the better in my opinion.

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Message 160560 (In Reply to Message 160476)


Posted by
orolan on Sep 03, 2005 05:42 PM | Also by orolan
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

I agree but I don't think this is the proper one. Most of the other ordinances allow current residents to stay. We need one of those to be struck down. This Issiquah law may not pass muster but the court could say it is valid as long as it doesn't apply to existing residents. See the problem?

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Message 160594 (In Reply to Message 160372)
ACLU challenges sex-offender ordinance


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Sep 04, 2005 02:03 PM | Also by Navigatr1
Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

Thursday, September 1, 2005 - Page updated at 09:44 PM

ACLU challenges sex-offender ordinance
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/eastsidenews/2002463420_lawsuit01e.html

By Karen Gaudette
Seattle Times Eastside bureau

The American Civil Liberties Union of Washington has challenged a new Issaquah ordinance that tightly restricts where sex offenders may live, calling it inconsistent with state law and unlikely to improve public safety.

The national civil-rights advocacy group filed suit in King County Superior Court yesterday on behalf of Level 3 sex offender Kyle Lewis, 28, and his mother, Mary Lou Lewis.

The ordinance, the suit claims, wrongfully imposes additional punishment on individuals who already have been punished under state law.

"Laws that make it virtually impossible for sex offenders to find housing do not make us safer. Society is not safer if former offenders live on the street," ACLU of Washington executive director Kathleen Taylor said in a news release.


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Posted by
rabbitreborn on Sep 06, 2005 01:25 PM | Also by rabbitreborn
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: Florida, Country: United States

yeah I hadn't thought of it that way.

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Message 160740 (In Reply to Message 158911)


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Sep 06, 2005 02:21 PM | Also by Navigatr1
Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

I agree. It will be like that law passed by the legislature to protect police information, which was passed specifically to shut down Sheehan's (sp?) website justicefiles.org Police didn't like having their public information made known on the Internet. The courts struck down that law, and should do the same in this case as it was passed specifically to force these offenders out of the neighborhood.

--Navigatr1

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Message 161655 (In Reply to Message 160594)
ACLU drops motion; sex offender to move


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Sep 15, 2005 04:53 PM | Also by Navigatr1
Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

Wednesday, September 14, 2005 - Page updated at 12:00 AM

Eastside Digest

ACLU drops motion; sex offender to move
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/eastsidenews/2002493387_glance14e.html

Issaquah

The American Civil Liberties Union this week withdrew a motion in King County Superior Court that sought to bar the city of Issaquah from enforcing an ordinance restricting where sex offenders can live.

The ACLU filed a lawsuit last month on behalf of Kyle Lewis, a Level 3 sex offender, and his mother, who owns the property where her son lives. The Issaquah ordinance passed last month also makes it illegal to rent homes to sex offenders in prohibited areas.

Last week, a court commissioner denied an ACLU request for a temporary restraining order to block the ordinance until the preliminary-injunction hearing date of Sept. 23.


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Message 162816 (In Reply to Message 158597)
Task Force Debates Sex-Offender-Free Zones


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Sep 27, 2005 02:57 PM | Also by Navigatr1
Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

Task Force Debates Sex-Offender-Free Zones
http://www.komotv.com/stories/39442.htm

September 26, 2005

By KOMO Staff & News Services

OLYMPIA - Restricting where sex offenders can live may not stop a lot of crime, but the practice is still valuable because it makes Washingtonians feel safer, some members of a state task force believe.

A law that took effect in July bars offenders convicted of certain sex crimes against children from living within 880 feet of schools while under state Department of Corrections supervision. The ban sunsets after one year.

The measure's sponsor, state Rep. Jim Clements, R-Selah, said Monday that such sex-offender-free zones will supplement a public notification system that may not always fulfill its obligations.

Confirms that proximity zones are just feel good laws because it makes the public feel safer even though they aren't.

--Navigatr1

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Sex offender ban debated by task force


Posted by
Navigatr1 on Sep 27, 2005 02:58 PM | Also by Navigatr1
Gender: N/A, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

Tuesday, September 27, 2005
Sex offender ban debated by task force
Panel considers residential limits, 'protection zones'
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/242361_sexoffenders27.html

By CURT WOODWARD
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

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Message 162877 (In Reply to Message 158676)


Posted by
Scaye on Sep 28, 2005 01:47 AM | Also by Scaye
Gender: Male, Age Bracket: N/A, State: N/A, Country: United States

I say send all sex offenders to the Sun to live and if non-sex offenders ever want to live there we will just move them into the vaccum of space just outside the galaxy.

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158597, admin, Aug 13, 2005 02:54 PM [Introduction]
      158676, dp1, Aug 14, 2005 01:08 PM
            160390, amberleaf, Sep 01, 2005 07:05 PM
            162877, Scaye, Sep 28, 2005 01:47 AM
      158689, orolan, Aug 14, 2005 02:17 PM
      158701, Navigatr1, Aug 14, 2005 02:57 PM
      158905, Navigatr1, Aug 16, 2005 03:57 PM [City sets limits on sex offenders]
            158911, orolan, Aug 16, 2005 04:09 PM
                  160740, Navigatr1, Sep 06, 2005 02:21 PM
            159055, bf2618, Aug 18, 2005 03:40 AM [I only wish I lived in Issaquah]
                  159333, Navigatr1, Aug 20, 2005 03:50 PM
                        159476, orolan, Aug 22, 2005 04:25 PM
                        159478, bf2618, Aug 22, 2005 04:47 PM [Sick and Tired of that type of response!]
                              159649, orolan, Aug 24, 2005 07:03 PM
                                    159695, sboyles, Aug 25, 2005 06:44 AM
                                    159728, bf2618, Aug 25, 2005 04:47 PM
                                          159760, Renunciation, Aug 25, 2005 10:16 PM
                                          159871, orolan, Aug 27, 2005 03:26 PM
                                                159876, Navigatr1, Aug 27, 2005 04:25 PM
                                                      159945, orolan, Aug 28, 2005 03:56 PM
                                          160392, amberleaf, Sep 01, 2005 07:25 PM
                  159456, artie, Aug 22, 2005 11:50 AM
                  160391, amberleaf, Sep 01, 2005 07:17 PM [bf2618]
      159335, Navigatr1, Aug 20, 2005 03:56 PM [Issaquah restricts where sex offenders can live]
            159477, orolan, Aug 22, 2005 04:44 PM
      159408, Navigatr1, Aug 21, 2005 03:33 PM [Tacoma looks at new sex-offender law]
      159620, Navigatr1, Aug 24, 2005 02:45 PM [Sex offenders: Move or pay $250 per day]
            159875, Navigatr1, Aug 27, 2005 04:21 PM [Issaquah tells 2 sex offenders to move]
            160398, orolan, Sep 01, 2005 09:54 PM
      159622, Navigatr1, Aug 24, 2005 02:59 PM [Cities to study Issaquah sex offender law]
            159729, Navigatr1, Aug 25, 2005 04:48 PM [Limiting Where Sex Offenders Live]
            159792, Navigatr1, Aug 26, 2005 05:16 AM [Is a village enough?]
      160372, Navigatr1, Sep 01, 2005 02:48 PM [ACLU sues Issaquah over sex offender restric...]
            160433, orolan, Sep 02, 2005 02:15 PM
                  160443, rabbitreborn, Sep 02, 2005 03:09 PM
                        160473, orolan, Sep 02, 2005 06:01 PM
                              160476, rabbitreborn, Sep 02, 2005 06:29 PM
                                    160560, orolan, Sep 03, 2005 05:42 PM
                                          160721, rabbitreborn, Sep 06, 2005 01:25 PM
            160448, Navigatr1, Sep 02, 2005 03:31 PM [Sex Offenders Stay Put Despite Issaquah's...]
            160459, Navigatr1, Sep 02, 2005 04:03 PM [ ACLU files suit against Issaquah's sex-...]
            160594, Navigatr1, Sep 04, 2005 02:03 PM [ACLU challenges sex-offender ordinance]
                  161655, Navigatr1, Sep 15, 2005 04:53 PM [ACLU drops motion; sex offender to move]
      162816, Navigatr1, Sep 27, 2005 02:57 PM [Task Force Debates Sex-Offender-Free Zones]
            162817, Navigatr1, Sep 27, 2005 02:58 PM [Sex offender ban debated by task force]

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