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Thread (Discussion): [Star Telegram] Sex offender registration in Texas has hits and misses
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Posted by admin
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Discuss the article Sex offender registration in Texas has hits and misses, by Michael Graczyk, which appeared on Star Telegram on August 13, 2005.
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Message 158625 (In Reply to Message 158596)
Posted by sboyles
on Aug 14, 2005 01:13 AM | Also by sboyles
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nice to see they are realzing their lack of classifiactions. nice timing, right before the feds are going to take over and plaster everyone's face on the net with no risk element included in the registry info.
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on Aug 14, 2005 02:19 PM | Also by orolan
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The Feds aren't taking over anything yet.
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Posted by steve
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And they're not plastering faces on the net, unless sboyles knows something I don't.
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Posted by sboyles
on Aug 15, 2005 05:12 AM | Also by sboyles
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well... I truly truly hope that the child safety act 2005 does not pass. If it does pass, then yes there will be faces plastered on the net. the bill is so screwy and horribly put tohgther, it drags all RSO into one net and drops them into back into society with "monster" labled on their heads.. no matter if their is a risk to society or not. I see that there are people working to have this bill scraped from the drawing boards at Americas Most 'Wanted and dumped in the garbage where it belongs.. Other then wrtitng my congressmen and senators (which I have done) does anyone know what else I can do/ Any petitions I can sign? And formal protests? Anything?
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Posted by orolan
on Aug 15, 2005 05:07 PM | Also by orolan
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Passage of HR3132 in its current form is not going to happen. It will undergo amendment, which will take care of the glaring problems it contains.
Unless of course your elected representatives don't care one bit about children.
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Posted by sboyles
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my rep is Tom Delay.. a former plumber who will say and do anything to stay in office. he cares about nothing but lining his pockets... but hey, what else would you expect from a former pluber with minimal education. they should create a registry for corrupt politicians and classify him as a level 3 offender
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Message 159015 (In Reply to Message 158823)
Posted by orolan
on Aug 17, 2005 08:29 PM | Also by orolan
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they should create a registry for corrupt politicians and classify him as a level 3 offender
Naah. Corrupt politicians have an incurable sickness called 'greed' no amount of therapy can make go away.
Better off to just shoot him like a lame horse.
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Message 159065 (In Reply to Message 158596)
Posted by sboyles
on Aug 18, 2005 04:30 AM | Also by sboyles
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orolan
you seem to be the only person I have seen that is certain that either the whole bill will be scratched or it will be drastically amended. what is your level of certainty?
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Message 159221 (In Reply to Message 159065)
Posted by orolan
on Aug 19, 2005 08:06 PM | Also by orolan
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what is your level of certainty?
99% certain it will not become law in it's current form.
100% certain it will not become law in any form while the 109th Congress is in session.
Maybe I'm overconfident. But the impressions we're getting from various legislators is that they are receiving some strong pressure from state officials to do something about this law. The mandatory minimums will cost the states money they don't have, not to mention the issue of the US Attorney General having the authority to take over a state agency just because he personally doesn't "like" the way that agency does things.
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Orolan, I sure hope you are right. I follow all this stuff very closely (as I know you do), but I don't share your optimism about this.
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Message 159251 (In Reply to Message 158596)
Posted by sboyles
on Aug 20, 2005 02:58 AM | Also by sboyles
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thank God for people like you
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Posted by orolan
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HR 3132 is many bills rolled into one. Some bills were discarded completely rather than being included, others were edited to suit Sensenbrenner's own desires.
Now it you were the author of that bill these guys played trashcan basketball with, would you be happy about it? You might not go on CNN and voice your outrage. But this is politics. You'll let your outrage be known behind the scenes. You'll quietly gather support for an amendment, and spring it in the floor debate. So will 15 others.
THOSE are the people we are talking to. We are influencing WHAT those amendments will say. It's the best we can do.
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The entire republican party should be classified as a Class 3 Offender organization.
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Posted by 1dadof5
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so far my senators are for this bill and i spoke to Evan Bayh about the issue while making sure he was going to vote against the patriot act yesterday morning. Some Senators, including him, while being concerned with the damage that can be done by this legislation are still more concerned with public perception(read votes) if they appear soft on crime as many groups pushing for this bill promise to condemn and publically demonize those that oppose this legislation. While I see plenty of radicals on the hill, Im not seeing any RSOs lobbying against this bill. You guys had better get your rears in gear and make your voices heard or you will only have yourselves to blame for just sitting by and letting this get through
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Posted by Renunciation
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You guys had better get your rears in gear and make your voices heard or you will only have yourselves to blame for just sitting by and letting this get through
Our democratic freedoms are doomed by the increasing complexity of life which inspires endless legislative restrictions by those who seek false sources of security or wish to throttle intelligence and progress which insult their own mediocrity.
Lobbying is a very interesting subject when it includes felons, issues of concern to felons and in particular, the rules that apply to who may directly lobby.
Most sex offenders, while on pre-supervision supervision (probation/parole) have specific limitations on who they contact and wherethey may go. Almost every official building in DC gives tours to school groups, effectively making the entire area off limits to RSOs, "children may congregate"
Of course, RSOs and felons in general are certainly permitted to have their voices heard via a hired lobbyist devoid of a criminal record!
Lets face it, the grass-roots movements to assist in felon issues is weak at best, and within that movement, there is very little support for issues of concern to RSOs. Felons in most cases do not have the money to pay lobbyists, and felons are not united effectively to accumulate the funds required to make their voices heard.
I hope to change this, or to try, by using the marketing methods of the anti-felon groups to unite felons. Truth.com's banner specifically says they screen for felons. I plan to make that heard loud and clear and use that exclusion to create unity. It will not b easy, and while failure is an unattractive probability, it is reality. I may not be the one to do it, but someone will.
R
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Message 169702 (In Reply to Message 169685)
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while what you state is certainly true of many RSOs and felons in general there is still much that can be done to help stop the maddness. Email and letter drives, phone call campaigns are among the ways to let the lawmakers know that there is another side to all these draconian laws. It helps to provide realistic alternatives. Point is that you cant go on feeling and acting whipped.
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Posted by Renunciation
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Point is that you cant go on feeling and acting whipped.
You are correct!
Like areas where blacks will only shop at black-owned stores, which will hire only blacks, use black accountants, and only socialize with other blacks.
There are areas in our major cities where the Chinese do the same thing.
We went to an accountant, from India, who would not serve us, he only provides his services for Indian-Owned businesses.
There can be a similar network for felons. Felon-owned businesses, that hire only felons, that only associate with other felons.
By establishing a strong unified netowrk of people, who would donate "alms" to a strictly monitored trust, we can lobby Congress for what I feel is the most important need felons face, good employment.
Face it, having hope of a good future for yourself or your family is the driving force behind America's energetic workforce. Felons, especially RSOs have a seriously reduced hope to achieve the "American Dream."
We do a significant amount of whining about this. I think the whining is because we are confused about our own culture. We grew up knowing if you committed a crime, that society would place a debt upon you and require you pay that debt, but that once that debt was paid, you were to be afforded the chance to achieve success. The reality is quite the opposite and hope is lost, and the whining starts.
Well there are ways and there are people who care, like you Dad. You may not directly care one way or another if I starve to death, but you DO care because you recognize the trends. You understand that the "good people" are next.
Thi is a great read:
http://www.napas.org/criminal%20justice/Adult%20Reentry/LAC_PrintReport.pdf
The link is unreliable, but if you can catch it working, it is shocking.
I think by a united felon society, not with goals of commiting crimes, but one with the goals of open-employment and hope, we can not only achieve a much lower recidivism rate for all felons, but begin to provide hope to people before they turn to crime.
We shall use the same growth strategy used by the Jehova Witness group. They have become a strong force in the US by staying tightly united and holding a strong bond with their ultimate goals in focus. I personally do not follow their message, but their growth methods cannot be ignored.
Careful reinvestment of money and people will create a felon-based society that will provide us with hope to build a future for ourselves, our children and eventually for those who might otherwise be unfortunate enough to qualify to be one of us.
We need to lobby to drasitcally expand programs like this:
http://www.edd.ca.gov/wotcgrp.htm#ExFelon
Few people would choose a life of crime over a fantastic job. Those who would, are simply beyond help, they truly prefer being criminals. Most of us prefer a nice house, kids in college, a new car and the respect of society. For felons, actions by that of True.com, companies that refuse to hire us and people who continue to judge us long after our debt has been paid show us that our former society is no longer our society. It looks as though that felon-society will need to be united and stay focused on the ultimate goals of success and community acceptance, from our own community.
Ren
We have the numbers. We just need the uniting force.
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Posted by 1dadof5
on Dec 19, 2005 04:38 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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excellent post, renny
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Posted by suicidalnut
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You guys had better get your rears in gear and make your voices heard or you will only have yourselves to blame for just sitting by and letting this get through
I see a few issues with this.
If you noticed even if the ACLU starts touching sex offender laws it usually gets them a lot of negative feedback. And thats an organization that is general and 'tries' to protect everyone no matter what they are labeled.
Reason we are such a hot 'voting tool' for sleazy politicians is no matter how organized we get we will still be outnumbered by the christian and neo-parent 'who cares about civil rights for those we hate' organizations that have tons of money and votes to throw around.
Des Moines Register (news paper) recently did a poll on what people are concerned about in the 2006 Legislature. Sex crimes were not even one of the top 5 but for the past 2 months the only headlines that are coming out of the capital are sex offender laws. Since its easy to distract people with the fears of the boogie man then important issues.
What needs to be done is more info getting in the hands of the ordinary person. the middle class. Each time a new sex offender law comes out the politicians repeat the 'high recidivism rate' and other evils of the sex offender population to justify the harsh laws and parents feel good about it . When someone comes along that actually works with sex offenders they are often thought of as 'tainted' by the sex offender 'charisma' and when they say it wont work or those 'statements' aren't accurate they are usually ignored as sex offender co conspirators ( i think thats how its spelled).
Since it seems justifiable to do just about anything to a sex offender I can just imagine what would happen if sex offender organized and started our own groups. The days of the KKK and the nazi atrocities would be a picnic compared to what would happen to sex offenders and thier families. ' But thats ok because its needed to protect the children'
As i have been saying for a long time now - sex offenders ultimate goal is power and control. Our victims were weaker then us and powerless to stop us. Its kind of sad when you get the same behavior out of the politicians that are suppose to be above that.
My two cents worth..
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158596, admin, Aug 13, 2005 02:54 PM [Introduction]
158625, sboyles, Aug 14, 2005 01:13 AM
158692, orolan, Aug 14, 2005 02:19 PM
158757, steve, Aug 15, 2005 02:55 AM
158763, sboyles, Aug 15, 2005 05:12 AM
158816, orolan, Aug 15, 2005 05:07 PM
158823, sboyles, Aug 15, 2005 08:18 PM
159015, orolan, Aug 17, 2005 08:29 PM
169664, StungOnTheNet, Dec 17, 2005 07:17 AM
159065, sboyles, Aug 18, 2005 04:30 AM
159221, orolan, Aug 19, 2005 08:06 PM
159245, thepar, Aug 20, 2005 02:28 AM
159321, orolan, Aug 20, 2005 02:56 PM
159251, sboyles, Aug 20, 2005 02:58 AM
169675, 1dadof5, Dec 17, 2005 05:30 PM
169685, Renunciation, Dec 17, 2005 07:43 PM
169702, 1dadof5, Dec 18, 2005 05:45 AM [renny]
169721, Renunciation, Dec 18, 2005 08:51 PM
169739, 1dadof5, Dec 19, 2005 04:38 AM
169783, suicidalnut, Dec 20, 2005 06:43 AM
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