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Thread (Discussion): [scotsman.com] Sex offender found hanging in cell
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Posted by admin
on Jun 18, 2005 12:47 PM | Also by admin
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Discuss the article Sex offender found hanging in cell, by Alison Purdy and Caroline Gammell, which appeared on scotsman.com on June 17, 2005.
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Message 155118 (In Reply to Message 154120)
Posted by mawmaw
on Jul 04, 2005 05:50 PM | Also by mawmaw
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He chose to be a sex offender , he knew he would get caught, he knew he would end up in a cell for his actions, he knew he did wrong ...... his choices.
I was unable to read the article but if he commited suicide or was killed in his cell ......... oh well
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Message 155121 (In Reply to Message 155118)
Posted by steve
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The Scotsman appears to have moved or removed the article. Here's some text from the article:
The apparent suicide of 64-year-old Stanley Murphy takes the number of deaths in custody since the beginning of the month to eight.
Murphy, who was from Torquay, Devon, was discovered hanging by staff at Dorchester prison at 1.35pm on June 14, a Home Office spokeswoman said.
Attempts to resuscitate him failed and he was pronounced dead by the prison doctor at 2.15pm.
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Message 155139 (In Reply to Message 155118)
really?
Posted by LostTime
on Jul 04, 2005 11:26 PM | Also by LostTime
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Since you know his history maybe you can enlighten us?
Maybe he was wrongfully convicted? Maybe not but that is actually quite irrelevant.
Since you can't/didn't read the article do you even know what his crime was? After all there is a sex offender in my friends probation group whose horrendous brutal sex crime consisted of dropping his drawers at the UW vs Michigan football game 3 years ago. A judge or possibly a jury already decided that his crime, whatever it was, did not merit the death penalty.
You are part of a group of people that are more dangerous to society than some of the guys on the registry. You are ready to hang him yourself just because he has been tagged sex offender without knowing or caring about his case. Shame on you.
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Message 155147 (In Reply to Message 155139)
Posted by dp1
on Jul 05, 2005 12:16 AM | Also by dp1
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LT, Are you offended because she lacks empathy for sex offenders? Honestly, I can't say I feel badly whatsoever when they get caught and kill themselves either. Can't figure out why, I suppose my empathy is misdirected elsewhere like towards the victims. If an offender hurts a child and kills himself when he gets caught, so what? I mean why would anyone feel badly about that? Dp1
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Message 155149 (In Reply to Message 155147)
Posted by LostTime
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My compassion is not limited to one side or the other. There are people whose job it is to mete out punishment to criminals after another group has decided what that punishment will be. Hate without knowledge is a very very dangerous thing. I bet if I found out everything to know about this guy I probably wouldn't like him or want him to be my buddy. Maybe I would even agree he deserved a death sentence. But I don't know anything about him and I don't hate based on assumption. I don't even have enough pesonal knowledge of his case to say for sure he committed a crime. The fact he was convicted of A sex crime doesn't really do much for me. I'm sure as one who has listened to me for the last few years you can understand my position there. Unless this guy specifically did something to her, her anger is misdirected. Hate, even when directed at criminals, is not a good thing.
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Message 155189 (In Reply to Message 155139)
Posted by Silverthorne
on Jul 05, 2005 10:20 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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"After all there is a sex offender in my friends probation group whose horrendous brutal sex crime consisted of dropping his drawers at the UW vs Michigan football game 3 years ago. A judge or possibly a jury already decided that his crime, whatever it was, did not merit the death penalty. "
Obviously this guy wasn't mooning anyone he was about to commit a violent sex crime. The Death Penalty is a must for vicious predators like him!!!!
(Sarcasm off)
Silverthorne
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Message 155214 (In Reply to Message 155149)
Posted by dp1
on Jul 05, 2005 03:32 PM | Also by dp1
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I hear what you are saying. I'm not a person who hates anyone; sex offenders, murderers, or whatever. And I usually do feel really bad for people that feel like killing themselves. But honestly when I hear about someone killing themselve to avoid going to court or prison after getting caught I think of the tax dollars saved. It doesn't bother me in the least if a sex offender believes he's not worthy of rehabilitation and checks out. I'll take his word for it. Why argue?
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Message 155223 (In Reply to Message 155189)
Is it anger, hatred or pain?
Posted by newmind6
on Jul 05, 2005 05:56 PM | Also by newmind6
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I do not pretend to know the guilt or innocence of this man. I do know that when a person (guilty or not) makes the choice to take their own life then they are indeed in anguish. Perhaps he is innocent and knows the climate in which he will be tried. Perhaps he is guilty and wishes to escape the physical punishment that he knows he deserves. Or perhaps he is guilty and racked with the knowledge of his own awakening to just what he has done. No, I don’t know. But what I read is anger.
What benefit is there for me to vent anger or hatred towards this person? Does it cast them deeper into hell? Does it more assuredly define their place in heaven? Or is it perhaps that something is happening for which I feel powerless to prevent or intervene?
We can’t stop a child from being abused; only God can do that and yet he chooses to not do so, why? Why does a plane crash and one person in a seat dies and yet the person next lives? These are greater questions than my human and finite mind can comprehend. But I can get angry; I can express my hatred for this vile person. I can step up on my soap box and proclaim to the world that since I am so outraged at this person, and so believing that they deserve hellfire and damnation, I must therefore be good. Ah, how that strokes the self-righteous ego.
But I think most of all it is that children are being damaged, women are being stripped of their sense of safety, elderly humans are being victimized of their wellness, and we as a society do not see the direct results of intervention. So we feel powerless. We don’t like what is happening and what we really want is for it to not have happened in the first place. But it does happen. No matter how many laws are passed people are still murdered every day in my city. No matter how many of my neighbors know of my presence (and they all do) the father living next door to me raped his own daughter. And yet he was among the first to ask me to move, Hmmm.
It is impossible to crawl into the soul of an abused child. To know that ache that sits right behind their heart and from time to time makes it difficult to breathe. An ache that makes you question whether indeed you are even human. A machine, that’s it, a machine knows no pain, but sadly neither does it know love. When I treat children I find that the ones in the greatest pain (burn victims or auto trauma) cry the least. Their system has been so overwhelmed with the pain impulses that they shut down and become numb for a time. But as they begin to heal, as the neurons regenerate and the connective pathways are re-established, then they scream out in pain. Then they know the devastation that has come to their bodies.
I wonder if those who scream out the loudest are those who are beginning their own healing process. If this is true then I say scream. Scream loudly and often. Do whatever it takes to heal.
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Message 155227 (In Reply to Message 155214)
Posted by rabbitreborn
on Jul 05, 2005 06:12 PM | Also by rabbitreborn
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dp1 , careful now they will take away your anti-RSO badge if you keep making statements like that :-)
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Message 155251 (In Reply to Message 155227)
Posted by dp1
on Jul 05, 2005 10:25 PM | Also by dp1
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dp1 , careful now they will take away your anti-RSO badge if you keep making statements like that :-)
I'm not sure I ever earned an anti-RSO badge. I never hated sex offenders. I only hate sexual abuse. It's the behavior that's disgusting not the people. If people learned to distinguish the difference then maybe we can really make a dent in reducing child abuse, ya think?
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Message 155310 (In Reply to Message 155251)
Posted by rabbitreborn
on Jul 06, 2005 03:05 PM | Also by rabbitreborn
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It's the behavior that's disgusting not the people.
I absolutely agree in 99% of the cases. (the other 1% are people like Couey and in their cases I think both are disgusting)
ya think?
I try to but it hurts real bad when I try focusing on figuring out all the new proximity laws ;-)
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Message 155362 (In Reply to Message 155118)
Posted by Scaye
on Jul 07, 2005 05:26 AM | Also by Scaye
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She reminds me of Anti.
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154120, admin, Jun 18, 2005 12:47 PM [Introduction]
155118, mawmaw, Jul 04, 2005 05:50 PM
155121, steve, Jul 04, 2005 06:03 PM
155139, LostTime, Jul 04, 2005 11:26 PM [really?]
155147, dp1, Jul 05, 2005 12:16 AM
155149, LostTime, Jul 05, 2005 12:47 AM
155214, dp1, Jul 05, 2005 03:32 PM
155227, rabbitreborn, Jul 05, 2005 06:12 PM
155251, dp1, Jul 05, 2005 10:25 PM
155310, rabbitreborn, Jul 06, 2005 03:05 PM
155189, Silverthorne, Jul 05, 2005 10:20 AM
155223, newmind6, Jul 05, 2005 05:56 PM [Is it anger, hatred or pain?]
155362, Scaye, Jul 07, 2005 05:26 AM
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