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Thread (Discussion): [WESH.com] Names, pictures of juvenile sex offenders to be posted
Message 150267
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Posted by admin
on Apr 22, 2005 02:44 PM | Also by admin
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Discuss the article Names, pictures of juvenile sex offenders to be posted, which appeared on WESH.com on April 21, 2005.
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Message 150334 (In Reply to Message 150267)
So what does DP1 make of this?..........
Posted by victorialondon
on Apr 23, 2005 07:24 PM | Also by victorialondon
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So what does DP1 make of this?.
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Message 150474 (In Reply to Message 150334)
Posted by orolan
on Apr 26, 2005 01:46 AM | Also by orolan
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You noticed her lack of a response too? I'll have to find that post where she said there were no juvenile sex offenders, only minors adjudicated as adults in adult court. Looks like there are indeed several juvenile sex offenders.
But what's up with the no info BS? I'm going to assert my right to KNOW where they are. Not just a Zip Code. I want addresses. I want to make sure my daughter doesn't move to Orlando and end up living next to some 12 year-old girl who performed oral sex on a 5 year-old boy. She might ask to babysit my grandson.
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Message 150476 (In Reply to Message 150474)
Posted by dp1
on Apr 26, 2005 02:38 AM | Also by dp1
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You noticed her lack of a response too? I'll have to find that post where she said there were no juvenile sex offenders, only minors adjudicated as adults in adult court. Looks like there are indeed several juvenile sex offenders.
Wrong Orolan. Give it up and you know FDLE does not list juvenile offenders on the website. FDLE does register juveniles IF they are required to register in the state they were convicted in. I have one on my caseload but since in his home state they don't post juvi pix on the net he isn't on the net. People under age that are convicted as an adult are not juvenile offenders.
If a local Sheriff's office wants to post juvenile convictions and it's public record then have at it.
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Message 150659 (In Reply to Message 150267)
whats wrong with this?
Posted by poetsdreamscape
on Apr 28, 2005 01:50 AM | Also by poetsdreamscape
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The site will have the offenders' picture and zip code but it won't list their home addresses.
So now we are making special considerations based on age? Hmm sounds like a post I wrote way back when on here! Why do you think they dont want the offenders address posted?Could I have been right in my earlier posts ? Is this discrimination based on age? Someone in florida needs to have this changed real quick, aclu where are you? The law says you have to post such and such information so who is violating the law and were there laws changed in florida that would allow changes to be made without legislation?
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Message 150743 (In Reply to Message 150474)
Lets have no personal digs.......
Posted by victorialondon
on Apr 29, 2005 02:34 PM | Also by victorialondon
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Dear Orolan,
Lets have no personal digs(I have never responded personally to personal digs at me),lets appreciate how hard DP1 works for us in giving us all this news,and post opportunities.
I don't see the real difference,even if there's a legal difference between minors(IE CHILDREN,increasingly persecuted in the sex offender witchunt,the old witchunts began with Children "witched",and then burned Children as witches.precisely the same happens now),"adjudicated as adults"(so why aren't adults with low IQ's adjudicated as minors?),and Juveniles.
To see a very good account of the current growing sexual offences witchunt against Children,whereby Children playing with each other (such as the two eight year olds in Kentucky,see the thread,playing,now both insanely charged with "FIRST DEGREE SODOMY",and standing to be branded and pilloried for life)are often both being prosecuted and victimised,their future lives ruined.see the website,available thru google of "Ethical treatment for youth".
But ,as I recall DP1 claimed that there are no Romeo and Juliets posted in Florida,and it seems plain from this there are.
And I am a little dissapointed at the lack of response to my thread on this subject in the general division of sexcriminals posts.
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Message 150773 (In Reply to Message 150743)
Posted by dp1
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But ,as I recall DP1 claimed that there are no Romeo and Juliets posted in Florida,and it seems plain from this there are.
Where? I thought this thread was about juvenile sex offenders. Now you switched the topic to R&Js. Huh? Sorry don't get the connection here. Pull up and example on the webpage and let's look at it.
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Message 150775 (In Reply to Message 150743)
Posted by orolan
on Apr 30, 2005 12:18 AM | Also by orolan
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Lets have no personal digs
They aren't personal and she knows it. Ever watch a boxer spar with his buddy down at the gym? Got to get those jabs in, because it keeps us both on our toes. Lord knows I take it on the chin from her enough times:-))
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Message 150788 (In Reply to Message 150775)
Posted by dp1
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Agreed. I also appreciate Victorialondon's kind words and personal consideration.
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Message 150857 (In Reply to Message 150267)
Posted by Silverthorne
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I wonder if 2000 foot rules apply to these "pervert" 11 year olds as well?
Silverthorne
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Message 150928 (In Reply to Message 150857)
Posted by orolan
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Naw. Better stretch them on out to about three miles. You know that the younger they are, the higher the reoffense rate. These kids are sure to be the next John Couey or Jesse Timmendequas, you know.
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Message 151701 (In Reply to Message 150267)
The truth of the Matter!!
Posted by eagle10s1
on May 14, 2005 02:00 AM | Also by eagle10s1
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I would like to address some of the entries posted. I can tell you that there are individuals that were adjudicated as juveniles that DO appear on the FDLE site. I also wish to clarify the intent and facts of the Juv site. This site has not been approved for release yet and I can tell you that those Juv. that will appear on the site if it is approved will be juv's who have been arrested and adjudicated of crimes that if they were an adult could qualify them to register as a sexual predator in the State of Florida. These are not your children who experiment with sex. The intent here is to inform the public of those Juv. sex offenders who could pose a risk to public safety. If I told you that there was a 14 yr old who lived 3 house down from you and that he/she had raped three 5 yr olds, would you not want to know that? I sure would!
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Message 151702 (In Reply to Message 150659)
Posting Info
Posted by eagle10s1
on May 14, 2005 02:09 AM | Also by eagle10s1
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Florida State Statute allows for the release of a juv's name, address, and arresting charge if the crime the juv has been taken into custody for would been considered a felony crime if the juv had been an adult. Law enforcement can release any portion of the above information to the public.
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Message 151750 (In Reply to Message 151701)
Posted by orolan
on May 15, 2005 05:55 PM | Also by orolan
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These are not your children who experiment with sex.
Really? How do you know?
Hypothetical case. 14 year-old boy and his 13 year-old neighbor engage in a little 'heavy' experimentation. Girl's Mom walks in on them, calls the police, and boy is arrested.
You're saying he WON'T be posted? Surely you aren't saying that his conduct wouldn't have been a felony if he had been 18? Because it most definitely would have been.
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Message 151752 (In Reply to Message 151750)
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Surely you aren't saying that his conduct wouldn't have been a felony if he had been 18? Because it most definitely would have been.
Of course if an 18 year old boy has sex with his 13 year old neighbor it would be a felony and be posted on the FDLE website.
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Message 151753 (In Reply to Message 151701)
Posted by dp1
on May 15, 2005 07:08 PM | Also by dp1
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I can tell you that there are individuals that were adjudicated as juveniles that DO appear on the FDLE site.
Correct. If they were adjudicated in another state as a juvenile and required to register in that state then moved to Florida they would be required by FDLE to register as a sex offender. Their picture would only be posted if the senencing state required that as well.
As far as juvs convicted in Florida, the only circumstance I could think of is when a juvi gets juvi sanctions then violates the terms he could possibly get resentenced with adult sanctions. Technically at that point he was sentenced as an adult.
Are there other juvis on the FDLE website that do not fall under the above 2 scenarios? Considering registration in Florida is only required for adults I can't imagine a Judge requiring it for a juvi convicted and sentenced as a juvi - I suppose if a Judge really thought the juvi was a grave threat to society he might or can require registration although I've never seen an example. Can you give us an example of a juvi convicted in Florida who was sentenced as a juvi and placed on the FDLE website?
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Message 151808 (In Reply to Message 151753)
Posted by orolan
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Can you give us an example of a juvi convicted in Florida who was sentenced as a juvi and placed on the FDLE website?
What he's telling us is that this is exactly what is about to happen. Any crime committed by a juvenile, regardless of adjudication, that would mandate registration if the juvenile had in fact actually been an adult.
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Message 151809 (In Reply to Message 151750)
Posted by eagle10s1
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To answer your question of "How do I know?" the answer is because I am involved in the website. To address your situation with the 14 yr old juv., this arrest would be a felony crime. However, it would not qualify him under the states predator qualification. Therefore, this juv. would not be placed on the website.
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Posted by eagle10s1
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No dp1 there are no juvi from Florida on the site. I speak of those individuals from other states that are required to register in that state and are subject to community notification. The other situation like you spoke about is those juvi's who are sentenced as adults.
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Message 151822 (In Reply to Message 151808)
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Orolan, I think Eagle is talking about being involved in the Orange County website not the FDLE registry - different criteria for juvis. Correct me if I'm wrong Eagle.
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Posted by orolan
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it would not qualify him under the states predator qualification
So you're saying that if the juvie had been an adult and the offense would qualify them as simply a 'sex offender', they won't be posted? Only if they would have gained 'predator' status?
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Posted by orolan
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I know he's talking about the County website. Not sure a county has the right to determine community notification levels for a juvi adjudicated in a Circuit Court, since that's a state court governed by state law.
But it's not my battle to fight. Somebody else can sue the crap out of them.
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150267, admin, Apr 22, 2005 02:44 PM [Introduction]
150334, victorialondon, Apr 23, 2005 07:24 PM [So what does DP1 make of this?..........]
150474, orolan, Apr 26, 2005 01:46 AM
150476, dp1, Apr 26, 2005 02:38 AM
150743, victorialondon, Apr 29, 2005 02:34 PM [Lets have no personal digs.......]
150773, dp1, Apr 30, 2005 12:08 AM
150775, orolan, Apr 30, 2005 12:18 AM
150788, dp1, Apr 30, 2005 02:14 AM
150659, poetsdreamscape, Apr 28, 2005 01:50 AM [whats wrong with this?]
151702, eagle10s1, May 14, 2005 02:09 AM [Posting Info]
150857, Silverthorne, May 01, 2005 12:10 AM
150928, orolan, May 02, 2005 02:19 AM
151701, eagle10s1, May 14, 2005 02:00 AM [The truth of the Matter!!]
151750, orolan, May 15, 2005 05:55 PM
151752, dp1, May 15, 2005 06:54 PM
151809, eagle10s1, May 16, 2005 03:36 PM
151878, orolan, May 18, 2005 12:43 AM
151753, dp1, May 15, 2005 07:08 PM
151808, orolan, May 16, 2005 03:00 PM
151822, dp1, May 17, 2005 12:04 AM
151879, orolan, May 18, 2005 12:53 AM
151811, eagle10s1, May 16, 2005 04:16 PM
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