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Thread (Discussion): [nbc6.net] Sex offender kills self after fliers posted in community
Message 150261
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Posted by admin
on Apr 22, 2005 02:24 PM | Also by admin
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Discuss the article Sex offender kills self after fliers posted in community, which appeared on nbc6.net on April 21, 2005.
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Message 150268 (In Reply to Message 150261)
Posted by orolan
on Apr 22, 2005 06:44 PM | Also by orolan
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Harris said sex offenders need to take responsibility for their actions.
You know, Mr. Harris, it appears that Claxton had taken responsibility for his actions. After all, he'd been offense-free for 14 years and wasn't hurting anybody.
Perhaps it's time you took responsibility for YOUR actions, Mr. Harris? You caused this man's death by calling for the community to brand him a child rapist. Even though he didn't rape a child. And you did it even after your own LEA said no, it shouldn't be done.
I hope you rot in Hell, Mr. Harris. Because God will deal with you if the state won't.
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Message 150329 (In Reply to Message 150261)
Posted by anothen
on Apr 23, 2005 05:25 PM | Also by anothen
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Well, he's got more guts than I do. I have considered suicide more than once, if fact, I shouldn't even be talking about it now.
My first occurrence was while I was in jail. I was in suicide ward for several months. They put you in a 4' x 10' cell with only a metal bed slab, no clothes, no shower, no priviledges, nothing. They turn the temperature way low so that you shiver all the time. The resident doctor will visit about once a week.
Another time was after my released. I tried several things, but I was too scared to carry it out.
The most recent was when I met someone online and we decided to meet. She was pretty and we started getting along. I told her about my past and she returned with a very bad reaction. She was abused when she was a child. We separated of course, but I became suicidal again.
I have to watch myself very carefully, especially when I get depressed.
I bet that because of the new sex offender laws, suicide may increase. Well, that's one way to get rid of them.
What is sad, that still will not protect potential victims, and the problem will not get solved.
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Message 150362 (In Reply to Message 150268)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Apr 24, 2005 05:26 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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truly sad that he wasnt left alone since he had not repeated his crime in over 14 years, was mentally challenged at the time and was now confined to a wheelchair and not a danger to anyone except himself. I guess Mr Harris is just so proud of himself. I wonder if he will hold a reception honoring his achievement?
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Message 150385 (In Reply to Message 150362)
Posted by orolan
on Apr 24, 2005 03:49 PM | Also by orolan
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Actually it appears that a few laws were broken by the people who put these flyers up and by Harris for inciting them to do so. The only person with some common sense, the Sheriff, has been contacted about possible criminal charges against all involved.
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Message 150427 (In Reply to Message 150261)
registry
Posted by myoung
on Apr 25, 2005 05:05 AM | Also by myoung
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I looked him up on the registry but he's not there? His mother claims that he hasn't done anything against the law in 18 years. What exactly did he do??
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Message 150428 (In Reply to Message 150268)
Posted by PVulcan
on Apr 25, 2005 05:13 AM | Also by PVulcan
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hmmm here they hold you for 72 hour psych evaluation on an involuntary, well voluntary too. I wonder why they let him out the very next day?
Is this all a coincidence that Florida seems to have some real problems or are they just more visible? Or is it me and it just SEEMS to be alot of crap happening in Florida?
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Message 150434 (In Reply to Message 150427)
Posted by dp1
on Apr 25, 2005 12:57 PM | Also by dp1
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Claxton was convicted in Washington state in 1991 of molesting a 9-year-old girl. He was 20 at the time, but his mother said he was developmentally much younger due to a brain injury.
In the advanced search on the Florida registry he's listed as deceased and his offense reads "(Child Molestation 1st Degree- (Washington))"
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Message 150438 (In Reply to Message 150434)
thanks dp1
Posted by myoung
on Apr 25, 2005 02:54 PM | Also by myoung
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molested a 9 year old was all I got from the article and I wasn't sure if that meant he touched her...actually had sex with her....what?? child rapist puts a whole other picture in my head and that may not have been the case. No details on this guy?
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Message 150469 (In Reply to Message 150434)
Posted by orolan
on Apr 25, 2005 11:55 PM | Also by orolan
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"(Child Molestation 1st Degree- (Washington))"
In other words:
RCW 9A.44.083
Child molestation in the first degree.
(1) A person is guilty of child molestation in the first degree when the person has, or knowingly causes another person under the age of eighteen to have, sexual contact with another who is less than twelve years old and not married to the perpetrator and the perpetrator is at least thirty-six months older than the victim.
Not to be confused with:
RCW 9A.44.073
Rape of a child in the first degree.
(1) A person is guilty of rape of a child in the first degree when the person has sexual intercourse with another who is less than twelve years old and not married to the perpetrator and the perpetrator is at least twenty-four months older than the victim.
Quite a few states could learn a lesson or two from Washington. While I disagree with some things they do, their sex offense laws are very clear and concise. Rape has 3 degrees and is called what it is. Child rape is different and has 3 degrees of its own, and again is called what it is. Child molestation has 3 degrees and is called what it is. Sexual misconduct with a minor has 2 degrees, and once again is called just that. Regardless of any other factors, you get a clear picture of what the offense was. In Claxton's case it seems pretty clear he was not a 'child rapist'.
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Message 150511 (In Reply to Message 150261)
Interesting facts
Posted by orolan
on Apr 26, 2005 12:39 PM | Also by orolan
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In the last 5 days Marion County has had:
5 child abuse cases.
2 cases of children at risk
15 domestic violence assaults / batteries
4 runaway juveniles and 2 missing persons
29 burglaries of autos and structures
13 voluntary Baker Act committments
6 involuntary Baker Act committments
2 sexual batteries (adult)
1 unlawful sexual activity w/minor
1 sex offense / other (whatever that is)
Not too many sex offenses going on in Marion County, considering there are 600+ registered sex offenders in that county. There are no stories in the media about a registered sex offender committing another sex crime in Marion County during the period covered. What gives?
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Message 150512 (In Reply to Message 150261)
Ocala police oppression
Posted by orolan
on Apr 26, 2005 12:47 PM | Also by orolan
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http://www.ocala.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050425/NEWS/204250338/1001
This is ridiculous. They're going to 'check on' RSO's SIX times a MONTH? That isn't 'checking'. That's harrassing. I'd sue the crap out of somebody if I lived in Ocala.
Not to mention the fact that the Ocala PD has no legal authority to do such harrassing. Address verification is the sole responsibility of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. And even the new JLA with it's language requiring the offender to comply with verification specifically states only that the offender return the verification letter TO FDLE. The offender doesn't have to talk to anybody, answer the door for Ocala PD, etc. as long as their information is true and correct and they have done their verification duty per state law.
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Message 150520 (In Reply to Message 150512)
Posted by dp1
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This is ridiculous. They're going to 'check on' RSO's SIX times a MONTH?
Huh? Where'd ya see that? I must have missed it.
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Message 150535 (In Reply to Message 150520)
Posted by Navigatr1
on Apr 26, 2005 03:21 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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dp1 wrote:
Huh? Where'd ya see that? I must have missed it.
From the article:
After the abduction and alleged murder of Jessica Lundsford in neighboring Citrus County, the Police Department already stepped up its monitoring of the predators and offenders living in the city, with plans to check on them six times a month.
I would definately call this harassment. If they Oscala Police Department isn't careful, they will have sex offenders who will obscond from registration because of this harassment; although, the department figures they are doing nothing wrong in their deluded way of thinking.
Maybe these offenders should start going to the houses of the officers six times a month to merely verify their address, and see if the officers think it is harassment or not.
--Navigatr1
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Message 150540 (In Reply to Message 150535)
Posted by newmind6
on Apr 26, 2005 04:36 PM | Also by newmind6
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This thread started out with the article regarding the offender who killed himself once fliers about him were posted. I had thought about this for some time and wanted to curtail my own emotions before responding.
I do hope that the remaining family members file a civil action against Mr. Harris. For Mr. Harris to state “Harris said sex offenders need to take responsibility for their actions.” makes me chuckle. I guess he does not believe that the punishment and social out casting is not enough. This is clearly grand standing and I do so hope that a civil action will help to sober the next group of vigilantes. Does society believe the numbers of offenders will decrease in time? I mean these lists are only from the last decade (well mostly) and look how many are on them already. This doesn’t even scratch the surface as to the numbers of old offenses and those whose victim’s continued to suffer in silence and self imposed shame.
I can not take credit for this statement for I am sure I am paraphrasing another poster. But it is of enough merit to warrant restating. Society wanted to be informed about sex offenders so they can take action to protect their children. So now they have that information, but it is believed that having that information also means that they should be able to prevent the offender from being there in the first place. America is a Federated Republic, but unfortunately we are turning it into a democracy. And democracies often change into an overly strong central government that becomes the quasi dictator.
One of my local prosecutors stated that he likes it when an offender goes on the lam. With all the networking of the electronic information systems it will only be a matter of time before the absconders are caught. And most states allow for the failure to register penalty to apply for each individual move as a separate violation. So with that they can lock him away for a much longer period than the original charge locked him away.
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Message 150566 (In Reply to Message 150535)
Posted by orolan
on Apr 26, 2005 11:20 PM | Also by orolan
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the department figures they are doing nothing wrong in their deluded way of thinking.
Of course. They see a county commissioner publicly urging his constituents to break the law, which they do, which causes a death, and nobody does anything about it.
How long do you think it would take for Mr. Harris to have the dogs on me if I plastered Marion County with flyers saying he was a child rapist? Shouldn't be anything wrong with that. After all, Claxton wasn't one either.
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Message 150569 (In Reply to Message 150566)
Posted by exoffender1
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Orolan, that is an excellent point about plastering the county with flyers of that Mr. Harris. I see absolutely no difference between them falsely accusing Claxton of being a child rapist and other people accusing Harris of being one. Someone should definitely take legal action against him and the others. I wouldn't hesitate.
The former offenders who are now subject to being verified six times a month should also file suit. They should do everything possible to obstruct that and make it as expensive and time consuming as possible. Heck, we do that around here just for fun. They have pretty much given up on even trying it once a year. The police need to do the verifications with the Registry Nazi neighbors anyway. They are the people who "need" the Registries. Let them pay for it.
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Message 150572 (In Reply to Message 150540)
lawsuit
Posted by poetsdreamscape
on Apr 27, 2005 02:08 AM | Also by poetsdreamscape
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I see here many lawsuits against the county commisioner and those who posted the flters. The hospital also needs to be sued. You dont just let someone in one night for a suicidal tendencsies just to let them out in the morning. How on earth was a proper evaluation done. I would hope that someone informs his parents that they should not let them go and file these suits.
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Message 150576 (In Reply to Message 150566)
What is happening???????????????????????????????????
Posted by Crimescholar
on Apr 27, 2005 03:30 AM | Also by Crimescholar
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This is the case of a mentally challenged man who exposed himself in public years ago. He was never accused of raping or even touching a child. Now he is dead. There is no one else to blame but those jackasses in Florida who relentlessly attacked a man who committed no crime against crime or transgression against his attackers nor showed any threat of committing such a crime. Who's crime was worse, those who drove one man to suicide or the mentally challenged man who exposed himself. Those who posted the signs should be brought to swift justice and sued for every dollar they have by the parents of the now deceased. Those who posted the signs have driven a man to his death - for a crime many would consider less than substantial. By exposing himself to a minor child he landed himself on the sex offender registry. In turn, poorly informed individuals posted "CHILD RAPIST" on signs and posted them throughout the community. Would any man who had once committed such a transgression be able to handle such a public display of ignorance and evil? I am not sure that I could if I were in the same position.
What confuses me even more is that the people involved in the posting of the signs in question are as stupid enough to believe that by attacking the individual that it may have some consequence on the entire state of affairs. This goes to show that these who posted the sign have no idea that the government is the entity we must address in order to have any reform in the sex offender laws. Instead of doing the responsible thing, these evil people went after a man who’s mental faculties were less than average to prove a point. A point that will never be heard and that resulted in the death of man who had served or satisfied his debt to society.
To hell with all those involved in the indirect murder of the man who in the light of total desperation chose to take his own life instead of living in the hell his neighbors created. I hope that all of them are prosecuted and suffer greatly for the sins they have committed both by the hand of the government and by God.
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Message 150665 (In Reply to Message 150576)
Posted by orolan
on Apr 28, 2005 03:05 AM | Also by orolan
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I hope that all of them are prosecuted and suffer greatly for the sins they have committed both by the hand of the government and by God.
I get great satisfaction out of knowing that regardless of what happens here on earth, one day the people who wrongly treat sex offenders the way they do will stand before God and hang their head in shame when He confronts them about it. And they'll burn in Hell forever for it. All I can do is try not to gloat about it too much lest I get thrown in there with them:-O
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Message 150860 (In Reply to Message 150385)
Posted by Silverthorne
on May 01, 2005 12:22 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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"Actually it appears that a few laws were broken by the people who put these flyers up and by Harris for inciting them to do so. The only person with some common sense, the Sheriff, has been contacted about possible criminal charges against all involved."
Good they can start with terroristic threats and manslaughter and go from there. Perhaps stalking and harrassment as well.
This is pathetic.
Silverthorne
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Message 150861 (In Reply to Message 150261)
Details about "Mr. Harris"
Posted by Silverthorne
on May 01, 2005 12:33 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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This Mr. Harris has a very dubious background. I found some interesting articles about him online. Nice thing about the internet. If your a fanatical idiot like he apparently is you can't keep it secret.
http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm80384.html
Here he wants to give the county the right to ban books from the library deemed "unsuitable". Heres a highlight of one of his proposed "banned books":
The debate was spurred by two complaints lodged against "Its Perfectly Normal" by Robie Harris, a sex education book for 9- to 15-year-olds that features frank illustrations and descriptions of the human body and sexuality, including homosexuality, masturbation and abortion.
Oh horror sex ed. What ever will we do. Keep in mind this is in the library and you dont HAVE to read it. Of course if parents do their jobs and teach their kids their morals they wont read it right? Uh huh.....
Heres the webpage of the book burning wannabe Commissioner Harris
http://www.marioncountyfl.org/CO211/CO_Harris.htm
Like Hitler was as well Commissioner Harris appears to be a right wing religious fanatic who isn't content with having freedom of religion to pray at home and go to church. He's also intent on forcing religion into the Government (so much for separation of church and state). In fact he also started the controversial CHOOSE LIFE license plate debate in Florida as well.
http://www.ilchoose-life.org/FrequentlyAsked.htm
In other words maybe instead of burning books like Hitler his real idol is a religious fanatic like Ayatollah Khomeni?
Silverthorne
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Message 150862 (In Reply to Message 150261)
The face of hate
Posted by Silverthorne
on May 01, 2005 12:45 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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Some of you might be interested to see the "real peoples" views of this story. In researching Ayatollah Harris I stumbled on a message forum where this story was mentioned.
Read the comments by the posters. Most are full of ignorance, hatred, complete misunderstanding, as well as gratitude hes dead.
I wonder how many of these self righteous dogooders have criminal records themselves of ANY kind and wouldn't want to see them made public?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1389182/posts
Silverthorne
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Message 150863 (In Reply to Message 150261)
His crime
Posted by Silverthorne
on May 01, 2005 12:59 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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I was curoius about his previous crime. I found this on the net someone was commenting about what he had done. If this is true it hardly fits the "child rapist" title does it?
He was essentially mentally retarded from childhood spinal meningitis, and his “molestation” consisted of exposing himself to a 9 yr old girl, and she back to him, when he was 20 and they were both staying at a babysitters house.
if you think he was some deranged rapist murderer, ask yourself why he needed to have a babysitter at the age of 20.
Silverthorne
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Message 150864 (In Reply to Message 150512)
Checking on?
Posted by Silverthorne
on May 01, 2005 01:01 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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I wonder what checking on consists of? Calling them on the phone to make sure they live there or visiting or what?
Silverthorne
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Posted by orolan
on May 01, 2005 02:14 AM | Also by orolan
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Silver, that's exactly what his crime was. He may have been 20 physically, but mentally he was no older than his victim. Oddly enough he could have killed her and been acquitted because of his mental disability.
Regardless, for a public official to knowingly tell his constituents to LIE on a flyer, after his own Sheriff told him NOT to do so, is a far greater crime than anything Claxton did. And much like the drunk lady in California who ran down a sex offender, nobody wiill be charged.
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Message 151060 (In Reply to Message 150261)
How Do You Get That Lonely
Posted by Navigatr1
on May 04, 2005 03:25 AM | Also by Navigatr1
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Artist/Band: Larsen, Blaine
Lyrics for Song: How Do You Get That Lonely
Lyrics for Album: In My High School
It was just another story printed on the second page
Underneath the Tiger's football score
It said he was only eighteen, a boy about my age
They found him face down on the bedroom floor
There'll be services on Friday at the Lawrence Funeral Home
Then out on Mooresville highway, they'll lay him 'neath a stone...
How do you get that lonely, how do you hurt that bad
To make you make the call, that havin' no life at all
Is better than the life that you had
How do you feel so empty, you want to let it all go
How do you get that lonely... and nobody know
Did his girlfriend break up with him, did he buy or steal that gun?
Did he lose a fight with drugs or alcohol?
Did his Mom and Daddy forget to say I love you son?
Did no one see the writing on the wall?
I'm not blamin' anybody, we all do the best we can
I know hindsight's 20/20, but I still don't understand...
How do you get that lonely, how do you hurt that bad
To make you make the call, that havin' no life at all
Is better than the life that you had
How do you feel so empty, you want to let it all go
How do you get that lonely... and nobody know
It was just another story printed on the second page
Underneath the Tiger's football score...
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Message 151061 (In Reply to Message 151060)
Posted by Navigatr1
on May 04, 2005 03:28 AM | Also by Navigatr1
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I figure the lyrics of this song are a fitting tribute to what happened to this guy. It is truly sad what we have come to as a society.
--Navigatr1
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Posted by orolan
on May 04, 2005 05:36 PM | Also by orolan
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I agree. Very appropriate.
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Posted by newmind6
on May 05, 2005 01:28 AM | Also by newmind6
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Thank you Navigatr1 for a touching post. This man was labeled “Sex Offender” and nothing more was known, or even attempted to be known. One of the men in one of my groups took his own life because he saw that no matter what he did, or how hard he worked on positive goals, some legislation would strip it all away. He lost all hope. And of course he is correct in his thinking. Society enjoys labels because labels remove the need to think, to synthesize information and actually take responsibility for forming a conclusion. Labels allow for easy recognition and even easier justification for abuse.
I laughed when a poster asked why we were not reading about R.S. O’s. being harassed. Not because it was posted but that this person actually believed the argument that if you didn’t see it in the media, then it must not be happening. So I guess since I don’t read about children being molested in my local town, then it must not be happening. So that’s the answer, don’t put it in the media, and it won’t happen.
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Message 162404 (In Reply to Message 150261)
Posted by orolan
on Sep 22, 2005 11:44 PM | Also by orolan
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Happened to need some info from this thread, so I checked up on Clovis Claxton.
According to FDLE he is still at his 45th Street address in Ocala, even though his status is listed as "reported deceased".
What, they don't believe he's dead? "Reported" is like "alleged" or "might be". Like, "somebody TOLD us he was dead, but we can't say he IS because we don't KNOW."
FDLE people are idiots. They refuse to enforce a state law prohibiting modification of THEIR registry, and they don't even have the common decency to remove his info from the registry.
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Posted by dp1
on Sep 23, 2005 02:37 AM | Also by dp1
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Who knows? Maybe he's pending a FTR charge for failing to return his address verification mailer.:-)
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Posted by artie
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I'm afraid that he must now report 2 times a year IN PERSON to let them know he now resides in a cemetary. Of course, the Sherriff must verify this info to have any effect at all.
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Posted by dp1
on Sep 24, 2005 01:26 AM | Also by dp1
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One of my guys failed to return an address mailer and they issued a warrant for his arrest. The reason he failed to return the post card was because he was incarcerated in Florida State Prison. Of course the county had a detainer on him so he went straight from state prison to the county jail on a bogus charge. One thing for sure, he knows from first hand experience that death or incarceration is no excuse for not mailing the address card back to FDLE. The charges are still pending, we expect them to be dropped, but what a bunch of red tape. It seems they issue warrants without bothering to do a thorough search. Inmates aren't too hard to find.
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Posted by Navigatr1
on Sep 24, 2005 02:04 PM | Also by Navigatr1
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Says a lot for how well they investigate crimes. What a waste of taxpayer money. Of course, I think the whole registry is a waste of taxpayer money too. Especially if they are wasting valuable and limited resources on bogus charges like this.
--Navigatr1
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Posted by orolan
on Sep 24, 2005 05:05 PM | Also by orolan
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Florida's registry is a comedy worthy of its own HBO special. The public has a need to know who all the RSOs are who are serving time in Florida prisons, right? Even if the registry doesn't tell the public WHERE those offenders are actually serving their time.
And of course even though some offenders are dead the public needs to know not only that they are dead, but also where they USED to live lest they be infected with the T-virus ala Resident Evil and decide to go back home for "lunch".
And lets not forget Mr. Gonzalez who was deported back to Honduras 7 years ago and has his address listed as "Honduras". I guess Floridians might go there for a vacation and need to make sure they stay away from him while there, not that they have a clue WHERE in Honduras he may be.
See my post re the National registry / website replacing all the state and local ones. No more dead, deported or incarcerated sex offenders clogging up the bandwidth. Florida alone will magically see its number of RSOs cut in half;-))
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Message 162638 (In Reply to Message 150434)
Posted by saintjimmy
on Sep 25, 2005 06:33 AM | Also by saintjimmy
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We all need to send this link to the Governor, and at the same time, ask him why Edwin Mann is serving 26 years in prison for statutory rape while the Dollars got away with only 15 for child torture.
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Message 162697 (In Reply to Message 162588)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Sep 26, 2005 05:22 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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what a joke
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Message 163002 (In Reply to Message 162588)
Posted by rabbitreborn
on Sep 29, 2005 06:05 PM | Also by rabbitreborn
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Florida maintains them on the registry for 2 reasons.
1. the powers that be in the capitol are too lazy to update the registry.
and
2. The more names you have on the registry, the tougher you look at defending children and so therefore the more federal money you can apply for and receive.
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Message 163042 (In Reply to Message 163002)
Posted by orolan
on Sep 29, 2005 10:24 PM | Also by orolan
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I don't think they're "lazy" so much as they're "arrogant". Arrogance and a belief that they are God is an extremely common trait amongst LEOs in Florida.
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Message 164453 (In Reply to Message 150261)
Posted by iastatso
on Oct 13, 2005 06:36 PM | Also by iastatso
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The most terrible crimes are those that we have never committed-
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Message 164558 (In Reply to Message 164453)
Posted by mawmaw
on Oct 14, 2005 10:39 PM | Also by mawmaw
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Oh well ! I dont miss the guy......... If you pull the page down to the bottom there are 8 more news adds about children killed and missing tho and I DO CARE about them !
people are getting sick to our guts about sex criminals hurting our kids !! We are sick of it !!!!!!! FED UP !!!
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Message 164794 (In Reply to Message 164558)
Oh Well?!!
Posted by june5
on Oct 17, 2005 05:02 AM | Also by june5
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Wow, I almost physically recoiled from your post. It seems really odd to me that those who most claim to "care about others" appear to be the most unempathetic people on earth.
I'm not telling anybody to go out and give your local child molestor a big hug, but what is going on here?!
There is something really disturbing about someone who has such a cavalier attitude about someone's death. It isn't anything to be jubilant about.
George Bush isn't a friend of mine, but I wouldn't be jubilant if he were to die. I think we should all have an ounce of respect for human life.
I am not claiming to be the most perfect, nice person to ever walk the face of the earth, but I couldn't imagine saying something like you did.
Hate is always ugly. A good friend of mine always says, "God don't like ugly."
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Message 164823 (In Reply to Message 164794)
Posted by orolan
on Oct 17, 2005 02:56 PM | Also by orolan
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You have to excuse her. Steve won't let me say what I want about her, but you get the idea.
Fact is, Clovis Claxton was a mentally handicapped person. At the physical age of 20 and the mental age of 10 he played "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" with a 9 year-old. He had as much knowledge of whether what he was doing was right or wrong as the 9 year-old. One might even wonder if perhaps the 9 year-old is the one who should have been the sex offender in this case.
Some people profess ot "care" but the reality is that they are simply idiots full of bigotry and hatred. And as you alluded, God will deal with them in his way, either in life or on Judgement Day.
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Message 164857 (In Reply to Message 164823)
Posted by mawmaw
on Oct 17, 2005 09:00 PM | Also by mawmaw
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Dont hate me cause I tell the truth.
Do you cry for the child that the SEX CRIMINAL sexually assualted and the child dies ??
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Message 164889 (In Reply to Message 164857)
Reading is Fundamental
Posted by june5
on Oct 18, 2005 05:46 AM | Also by june5
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Ummm, I believe I said that I am sad for anyone to die. This would naturally include any child who was killed. I didn't notice in any of these posts that this particular man had killed a child.
As I also mentioned, I was sexually assaulted. I wouldn't be happy if that guy died either. Healing doesn't come when we hang on to hatred.
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Message 164892 (In Reply to Message 164857)
Posted by saintjimmy
on Oct 18, 2005 08:48 AM | Also by saintjimmy
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Can't answer for anyone else, but In the extraordinarily rare cases that it happens, I do.
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Message 164901 (In Reply to Message 164857)
Posted by orolan
on Oct 18, 2005 02:24 PM | Also by orolan
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Do you cry for the child that the SEX CRIMINAL sexually assualted and the child dies ??
Yes, I do. I cry for any child that dies. I've even had a child die while I held him in my arms. Don't allude that I have no compassion for children. And I don't hate you. I pity you.
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Message 164944 (In Reply to Message 164794)
Posted by mawmaw
on Oct 18, 2005 06:45 PM | Also by mawmaw
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The facts here are .....that the courts found the guy guilty of a sex crime.
There are a few here that think into the facts and come up with excusses for the SEX CRIMINAL to the point that the victim asked for the abuse and caused the sex crime themselves .
The facts are that the victim NEVER forgets what was done to them and they carry the pain for life ! Sex abuse does not make a person better !
I did not know this SEX CRIMINAL nor do I know all the other people that die across the country so I dont cry for them , but I do cry for the silent hurting child that gets abused whenever the SEX CRIMINAL desires to have his fun with a child . The abuse happens over and over .. sometimes for years !!! :( until the SEX CRIMINAL is stopped . A SEX CRIMINAL is a person with unnatural deviated sexual desires for children !! This aint normal !
A normal person would STOP their thoughts and not cross the line to have sex with a child .
If this guy was mentaly ill and needs constant looking after... then his mama was not doing her job as he killed his self,somebody was not watching him !
What is society suppost to do with SEX CRIMINALS ?? Wipe your slate clean till you get the sex desire for a child again ? Read the papers ......... A SEX CRIMMINAL has commited many many many more sex crimes against children than a SEX CRIMINAL commits suicide....... and you post about God ..... God sees all and he knows our desires !
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Message 164978 (In Reply to Message 164944)
What to do?
Posted by june5
on Oct 19, 2005 02:31 AM | Also by june5
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OK, my own personal sickness is sarcasm so I am going to state in advance that I am not being sarcastic in this post.
Absolutely, "SEX CRIMINALS" are sick. I am not a shrink, but you have to have some serious issues to be a SO. But I also think alot of people are "sick." People who seriously abuse children WITHOUT molesting them are sick as well. About the only good thing about a person being sick is that there is always the chance that they will get better.
This is a dicey issue, and I normally don't speak to anyone about the fact that I was a rape victim 15 years ago. Every victim has a different experience and perception of what happened to them and I can't speak for anyone else.
In my case, I feel very offended when I have a well-meaning friend say "being raped is the worst thing that could ever happen to you" or, "you can't ever get over that." I don't think that really helps anyone.
Again, this is just me, but I am not carrying around the pain of that for the rest of my life. I completely refuse.
I was so depressed and almost suicidal after I was attacked, and I am so glad nobody told me at the time that I would carry that pain for the rest of my life. If I had believed that, I really think I might have tried to take my own life.
Each bad thing that happens to us affects us in some way. I don't think it helps to say we, as victims, can't ever get over it. I know that is easy for me to say, and I am only speaking of my own experience. For a long time, I really wished for something horrible to happen to that guy. After many years, I realized that as long as I hated him, I was still connected to him, and I didn't want to be. I forgave him; I did this for my own benefit, not for his.
I don't know what this guy is doing now. I truly hope that he has gotten some help and become a productive member of society.
There are worse things that could have happened to me--I could have gotten killed or maimed or contracted AIDS. This doesn't make what happened OK.
The only thing I can say for alot of SO's on this board is that many of them seem genuinely contrite and willing to change, and many seem to have changed. Once what is done is done, that is all that we can hope for anyone. I wouldn't take away someone's chance to lead a normal life once they have done their time.
It is a bizzare experience for me, being a rape victim, and now my husband is a convicted SO after we have been married so long. I am just glad that I didn't have to change any of my morals in order to support him now. Alot of people say, "throw the book at em" until one of their family members is accused. Then they do a turn around and say the SO is innocent or needs therapy. It never hurts to try to understand people to begin with.
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Oops
Posted by june5
on Oct 19, 2005 02:35 AM | Also by june5
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Got off onto my own tangent and forgot your comments (another "sickness" of mine!)
I think society should do with sex criminals what they do with every other kind of criminal: let them alone once they have served their time.
Everybody has a different idea of God, but I do think that God sees all. I also believe that God forgives those who are truly repentent. Why can't we?
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Message 165005 (In Reply to Message 164944)
Posted by orolan
on Oct 19, 2005 03:21 PM | Also by orolan
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The facts here are .....that the courts found the guy guilty of a sex crime.
That's right. The facts are indeed here. He was found guilty, because he did touch the child. No arguing there. Whether or not he knew it was wrong is subject to debate. But the fact also is that he long since had served the sentence that court gave him. And the fact is the locals plastered "child rapist" all over his flyer even though he had never raped a child OR been convicted of raping a child. Any normal person would have been suing somebody. Bul Claxton was not a normal person. He was a man in his 30's with the mental and emotional capacity of a 10 year-old.
A SEX CRIMINAL is a person with unnatural deviated sexual desires for children !!
You're stereotyping. Shall we get into the various stereotypes about people from Kentucky and say they apply to you and your family? I don't think you would like that very much. There are hundreds of thousands of sex offenders who have never touched a child or even thought about it. Maybe you need to get with your state politicians and tell them to get all those sex offenders off the registry who had adult victims? After all, they can't be sex criminals because they don't fit your definition.
If this guy was mentaly ill and needs constant looking after... then his mama was not doing her job as he killed his self,somebody was not watching him !
Watch it now. Don't start blaming parents. Or maybe we need to blame parents for the offenses against their children? After all, if somebody was watching, they wouldn't happen, right? Of course since the parents are doing all the molesting, somebody needs to watch the parents watch the children.
and you post about God
Yes I do. Got a problem with that? You know, I can and do forgive people like you for your very non-Christian attitudes. Because God says I should. I have no problem facing God on Judgement Day. But you, I think you may have a problem when that day comes. You're entirely too vindictive and hateful. Kind of remind me of a Pharisee. Hell is full of them. You'll see. Might get one for a roomie.
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Message 165137 (In Reply to Message 150261)
Posted by Ruined
on Oct 20, 2005 11:50 PM | Also by Ruined
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This is exactly what I have been hinting at in my threads and posts.
The registry gives Common Citizens a certain amount of power over SO's.
Common Citizens are not always healthy, intelligent or capable of responsible action. As a matter of fact, dare I say that I am awate of MANY non-registrants that are downright sick, brutal, selfish, cold and just looking for somebody they can victimize in their own way.
They definitely have no business getting access to this type of information about anybody.
Ouch! I know that struck a nerve in some of you. Hehe. Come on, who is sitting in their house right now, feeling that this was aimed right at them? There is a reason for that.
This guy was disabled. He should have been handled as such.
If the frigging government, and all you little pawns are going to utilize almost limitless power to punish and hurt, why is it so tough to use that power to come up with ways to help and prevent?
If the geniuses pushing tougher, wider sweeping punishment, could get together and try to come up with some positive ideas for prevention, research and understanding the situation, there would be a hell of a lot less vicitms in this forum.
Eventually, some of these bullies will come across people like myself. People that don't believe they deserve to be crushed. People with morals, friends, family and resources of their own.
That is when the sh*t will hit the fan finally. I am sorry, but I think this is only the beginning of something terrible. This will change, mutate and grow into something none of you predicted. It always has, throughout history.
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Message 165232 (In Reply to Message 165137)
Posted by Navigatr1
on Oct 22, 2005 04:26 AM | Also by Navigatr1
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Ruined wrote:
That is when the sh*t will hit the fan finally. I am sorry, but I think this is only the beginning of something terrible. This will change, mutate and grow into something none of you predicted. It always has, throughout history.
I agree. It is already changing and mutating into something more ugly, but the sheeple haven't realized it yet. They haven't realized that their information is public information too; although, not as easily accessible as the sex offender and other various registries. There is nothing from stopping a private entity to post their criminal records on the web as it is public information, and not additional punishment. Especially when public safety supposedly trumphs anyone's right to privacy.
--Navigatr1
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Message 165355 (In Reply to Message 165137)
Posted by orolan
on Oct 24, 2005 02:53 AM | Also by orolan
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If the frigging government, and all you little pawns are going to utilize almost limitless power to punish and hurt, why is it so tough to use that power to come up with ways to help and prevent?
Because they don't WANT the abuse to stop. If the abuse stops, they have nobody left to play their little hate games on. As long as they concentrate on the RSOs the abuse will continue and create an endless supply of more RSOs to harass. Stop the abuse and the supply dries up.
So it's up to the RSOs like me to come up with ways to stop the abuse. I spend my days doing that while non-RSOs sit around this forum claiming that I'm a cold non-caring person. Go figure.
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150261, admin, Apr 22, 2005 02:24 PM [Introduction]
150268, orolan, Apr 22, 2005 06:44 PM
150362, 1dadof5, Apr 24, 2005 05:26 AM
150385, orolan, Apr 24, 2005 03:49 PM
150860, Silverthorne, May 01, 2005 12:22 AM
150428, PVulcan, Apr 25, 2005 05:13 AM
150329, anothen, Apr 23, 2005 05:25 PM
150427, myoung, Apr 25, 2005 05:05 AM [registry]
150434, dp1, Apr 25, 2005 12:57 PM
150438, myoung, Apr 25, 2005 02:54 PM [thanks dp1]
150469, orolan, Apr 25, 2005 11:55 PM
162638, saintjimmy, Sep 25, 2005 06:33 AM
150511, orolan, Apr 26, 2005 12:39 PM [Interesting facts]
150512, orolan, Apr 26, 2005 12:47 PM [Ocala police oppression]
150520, dp1, Apr 26, 2005 01:47 PM
150535, Navigatr1, Apr 26, 2005 03:21 PM
150540, newmind6, Apr 26, 2005 04:36 PM
150572, poetsdreamscape, Apr 27, 2005 02:08 AM [lawsuit]
150566, orolan, Apr 26, 2005 11:20 PM
150569, exoffender1, Apr 27, 2005 01:56 AM
150576, Crimescholar, Apr 27, 2005 03:30 AM [What is happening????????????...]
150665, orolan, Apr 28, 2005 03:05 AM
150864, Silverthorne, May 01, 2005 01:01 AM [Checking on?]
150861, Silverthorne, May 01, 2005 12:33 AM [Details about "Mr. Harris"]
150862, Silverthorne, May 01, 2005 12:45 AM [The face of hate]
150863, Silverthorne, May 01, 2005 12:59 AM [His crime]
150868, orolan, May 01, 2005 02:14 AM
151060, Navigatr1, May 04, 2005 03:25 AM [How Do You Get That Lonely]
151061, Navigatr1, May 04, 2005 03:28 AM
151115, orolan, May 04, 2005 05:36 PM
151146, newmind6, May 05, 2005 01:28 AM
162404, orolan, Sep 22, 2005 11:44 PM
162429, dp1, Sep 23, 2005 02:37 AM
162479, artie, Sep 23, 2005 03:51 PM
162532, dp1, Sep 24, 2005 01:26 AM
162577, Navigatr1, Sep 24, 2005 02:04 PM
162588, orolan, Sep 24, 2005 05:05 PM
162697, 1dadof5, Sep 26, 2005 05:22 AM
163002, rabbitreborn, Sep 29, 2005 06:05 PM
163042, orolan, Sep 29, 2005 10:24 PM
164453, iastatso, Oct 13, 2005 06:36 PM
164558, mawmaw, Oct 14, 2005 10:39 PM
164794, june5, Oct 17, 2005 05:02 AM [Oh Well?!!]
164823, orolan, Oct 17, 2005 02:56 PM
164857, mawmaw, Oct 17, 2005 09:00 PM
164889, june5, Oct 18, 2005 05:46 AM [Reading is Fundamental]
164892, saintjimmy, Oct 18, 2005 08:48 AM
164901, orolan, Oct 18, 2005 02:24 PM
164944, mawmaw, Oct 18, 2005 06:45 PM
164978, june5, Oct 19, 2005 02:31 AM [What to do?]
164981, june5, Oct 19, 2005 02:35 AM [Oops]
165005, orolan, Oct 19, 2005 03:21 PM
165137, Ruined, Oct 20, 2005 11:50 PM
165192, Rejected
165232, Navigatr1, Oct 22, 2005 04:26 AM
165355, orolan, Oct 24, 2005 02:53 AM
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