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Thread (Discussion): [Oakland Tribune Online] Sexual offender abuses Web site
Message 144770
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Posted by admin
on Jan 30, 2005 05:59 PM | Also by admin
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Discuss the article Sexual offender abuses Web site, by Amy Yarbrough, which appeared on Oakland Tribune Online on January 29, 2005.
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Message 144772 (In Reply to Message 144770)
Posted by orolan
on Jan 31, 2005 01:59 AM | Also by orolan
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This is so damned funny and so damned pitiful at the same time, I don't know if I should laugh or cry.
"The victim was so alarmed by this he couldn't believe it," Ahern said.
Imagine that. An RSO who is a victim. Let's see lots of empathy here, folks.
Nathan Barankin, a DOJ spokesman, said it is impossible to police the site and make sure sex offenders aren't using it.
Didn't stop the idiots from passing the law though, did it? Keeping in mind of course that if Westberg wasn't an RSO, the contact would have been legal. Everybody else in the world is free to send RSO's letters asking for dates, using the registry to get those addresses.
"We thought that would be too violative of people's privacy rights."
ROTFLMAO
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Message 144790 (In Reply to Message 144772)
Posted by 1dadof5
on Jan 31, 2005 08:03 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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how can requiring people to register thier information before accessing the site be any violation of someone's privacy? Also, a log file exsists on the server and it wouldnt be hard to log IP addresses that correspond to requests for information. saying the site cant be monitored is simply being lazy and shows a desire to ignore the problem of anyone using the information for wrongdoing
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Message 144792 (In Reply to Message 144770)
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on Jan 31, 2005 02:22 PM | Also by dp1
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Although critics argued that the new Megan's Law database could be used by sex offenders to network with one another,
What's the fear of RSOs networking all about? Are they afraid of a cyber NAMBLA organization?
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Message 144821 (In Reply to Message 144792)
Posted by orolan
on Jan 31, 2005 10:00 PM | Also by orolan
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What's the fear of RSOs networking all about?
An enemy divided and isolated is easily conquered. Not sure who said that, might have been the legendary Sun-Tzu. At any rate, RSO's who are united into a single group can compare notes on abuses, vigilante acts, etc and plan a concerted effort to change them.
Operating alone, RSO's can easily be manipulated. The government likes it that way.
Are they afraid of a cyber NAMBLA organization?
That's the "public" reason for it, because it looks good at the polls.
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Message 144825 (In Reply to Message 144772)
Posted by dp1
on Feb 01, 2005 03:08 AM | Also by dp1
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Everybody else in the world is free to send RSO's letters asking for dates, using the registry to get those addresses.
You seem offended by not being able to get dates from other RSOs through the mail. Have you not been getting enough fan mail since you registered?
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Message 144827 (In Reply to Message 144825)
Posted by orolan
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You seem offended by not being able to get dates from other RSOs through the mail.
No, only that I can't contact Californians;-(
Wait. Why would I want to do that? They're all nuts, from the Gubernator on down. I'll stick to my Russian sweetie. She loves getting mushy letters from one particular RSO.
Have you not been getting enough fan mail since you registered?
Plenty of fan mail, thank you. Even solicitations from RSO's. Of course they want help, not sex.
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Message 144841 (In Reply to Message 144770)
Register viewers
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on Feb 01, 2005 06:17 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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I'm all in favor of requiring those who want to view the website to register and have their IP recorded. They visiting the site and the government can set the rules.
Another reason is for vigilantes. Imagine and SO gets harrassed then killed. They could go back to the computer records and see everyone who viewed that SO's record on the registry. They'd have a "starting point" for their investigation. Sure it could be someone else but it's free 'suspects'.
After all thats what the original registry was about. Because police needed to know WHO was an SO after an abduction. It came around after the Wetterling case in Minnesota when the police found SO's living on the street where it happend 3-4 weeks later. They wanted to know "immediately" so they could look at suspects.
Silverthorne
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Message 144860 (In Reply to Message 144841)
Posted by orolan
on Feb 01, 2005 10:45 PM | Also by orolan
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Sure it could be someone else but it's free 'suspects'.
Same thing they do with the people on the registry, so why not the people who look at it?
Interestingly enough according to the State of California, only 56,000 people accessed the registry in its previous iteration, consisting of CD-ROM's at LEA locations, a 900-number and countless mobile setups at malls, county fairs, etc., in 2002. Now 56,000 people is a lot. But there were some 11.5 MILLION households in California. So a mere 1/2 of 1% of all households accessed the registry. So by what factor do you suppose access will increase due to the Internet site? 10 times as many? 20 times as many? If it increases 50-fold, that still leaves 75% of households not looking. We'll have to see as time goes by.
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Message 144861 (In Reply to Message 144860)
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So if the truth is that not that many households look at the registry then why do RSOs oppose the registry?
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Message 144915 (In Reply to Message 144861)
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Im lost on this one. I have never heard anywhere before that a rso cant check a registry ! Is it just that state and for those on probation or parole? Does anyone have a list of states that prohibit viewing?
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Because the actions of the few who do look tend to be rather detrimental to the RSO. You know, like getting killed or having your house or car burned.
And as a taxpayer as well as an RSO, I'm not too crazy about the government spending my money on something that the public ostensibly wants, when the evidence shows the public really doesn't want it bad ennough to actually USE it.
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Message 144937 (In Reply to Message 144915)
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California, always needing to be "different", says RSO's can't look at the registry. And when I find an RSO in that state with a child in their household, look out.
No other state has such a restriction.......yet.
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Message 144969 (In Reply to Message 144861)
hmmmm
Posted by myoung
on Feb 04, 2005 07:27 AM | Also by myoung
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since the implementation of our website....just within the first couple days, 400,000 visits to the site were recorded!! Hmmmmm....households don't use it? Is that right?
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Message 144974 (In Reply to Message 144936)
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Because the actions of the few who do look tend to be rather detrimental to the RSO. You know, like getting killed or having your house or car burned.
Just curious as to how many times vigilantis tried to kill you or burn your house or car down. You're starting to sound like Victorialondon with the mooning deal. Golly, it took one mooning story in the paper years ago in Michigan to send her spiraling down off the deep end:-)
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Message 144993 (In Reply to Message 144974)
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Just curious as to how many times vigilantis tried to kill you or burn your house or car down.
Why does it matter? It happened to somebody. Doesn't matter if it happened to me or not.
Just curious as to how many times you've been the victim of an attempted or completed molestation. By your apparent rational that I can't make any claims about such abuses unless they actually happened to me, you can't say a thing in support of registries unless you've been victimized. Right?
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Message 144994 (In Reply to Message 144969)
Posted by orolan
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400,000 visits? Confirmed actual real bodies who filled out a brief little form with at least a zip code and DOB like the online newspapers do?
No.
"Hits" maybe, which have been discussed at length here a few times. As I said before, my site gets 56,000 hits a year, but only 3,000 "real" people actually look at it. Which would equate to about 2,000 folks looking at your state's site, not 400,000.
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Message 145036 (In Reply to Message 144994)
Posted by 1dadof5
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just think about how many "hits" this site gets, now how many of those are individual users?
we have discussed it here many times. It takes 3 hits just to get access to the actual PA registry. now if you search more than one person, they are also "hits" too. So more than likely, there are far less than 100,000 individual persons accessing the site
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Message 145050 (In Reply to Message 144994)
orolan
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on Feb 06, 2005 02:33 AM | Also by myoung
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yeah, hits is what I meant. Sorry about the confusion. All I do know is that it's been HIGHLY publicized here so many people ARE indeed visiting the site.
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Message 145055 (In Reply to Message 145050)
Posted by orolan
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I'm sure plenty of folks are looking at it. Even a few dozen took the time to send an email extolling the new registry's virtues. And "opening week" is always hectic on these types of sites. Mostly out of curiousity more than a concern for safety. And I myself have looked at it probably a half-dozen times and at countless RSO's to see how it was constructed, what information is provided, etc. No telling how many actual visitors there were who don't even live in PA.
Just make sure they leave the dead people off. That tends to clutter things up a little too much;-))
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Message 145060 (In Reply to Message 144993)
Orolan
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It happened to somebody.
Who? And how often do houses get burned down? All of the sex offender's homes I've been in weren't burned. Where are all these charred homes?
Just curious as to how many times you've been the victim of an attempted or completed molestation.
No I have never been molested. However, since you brought up the subject of attempts, there were two separate attempted rapes during my childhood. I fought back both times and survived. Both incidents were stranger danger situations. Even if I had known every single sex offender in my zip code that wouldn't have prevented a stranger from running up from behind me and attacking me or placing a knife in my throat. Despite the fact that registries would not have done a darn thing for my personal situation, I believe they are useful because most sex crimes are not stranger danger situations. I'm sure you will agree:-)
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Message 145087 (In Reply to Message 145055)
dead people
Posted by myoung
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that's another reason I want their "status" listed. There is a good chance some of the :"old timers" may have passed on, who knows? I am really pushing for public education on the sex offender issue though. I am only one voice so I am clamoring very very loudly to be heard before any "hysteria" breaks out. Hopefully to the right people ;-)
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Message 145090 (In Reply to Message 145055)
Posted by dp1
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Just make sure they leave the dead people off.
I know some RSOs living on borrowed time......let's leave them on the list till the PO finishes up the job:-))
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Message 145109 (In Reply to Message 145090)
Posted by orolan
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Latest figures from your state indicate 25 more dead RSO's since Dec 20th last year, so I guess the PO's are holding their own;-)
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Message 145153 (In Reply to Message 145109)
Posted by dp1
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Latest figures from your state indicate 25 more dead RSO's since Dec 20th last year, so I guess the PO's are holding their own;-)
Clearly, the ZERO tolerance policy is effective:-)
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144770, admin, Jan 30, 2005 05:59 PM [Introduction]
144772, orolan, Jan 31, 2005 01:59 AM
144790, 1dadof5, Jan 31, 2005 08:03 AM
144825, dp1, Feb 01, 2005 03:08 AM
144827, orolan, Feb 01, 2005 04:08 AM
144792, dp1, Jan 31, 2005 02:22 PM
144821, orolan, Jan 31, 2005 10:00 PM
144841, Silverthorne, Feb 01, 2005 06:17 AM [Register viewers]
144860, orolan, Feb 01, 2005 10:45 PM
144861, dp1, Feb 02, 2005 01:26 AM
144915, poetsdreamscape, Feb 03, 2005 12:10 AM [lost]
144937, orolan, Feb 03, 2005 01:49 PM [Poet]
144936, orolan, Feb 03, 2005 01:46 PM
144974, dp1, Feb 04, 2005 02:22 PM
144993, orolan, Feb 05, 2005 01:03 AM
145060, dp1, Feb 06, 2005 05:07 AM [Orolan]
144969, myoung, Feb 04, 2005 07:27 AM [hmmmm]
144994, orolan, Feb 05, 2005 01:32 AM
145036, 1dadof5, Feb 05, 2005 04:49 PM
145050, myoung, Feb 06, 2005 02:33 AM [orolan]
145055, orolan, Feb 06, 2005 02:55 AM
145087, myoung, Feb 06, 2005 04:46 PM [dead people]
145090, dp1, Feb 06, 2005 05:26 PM
145109, orolan, Feb 06, 2005 11:27 PM
145153, dp1, Feb 07, 2005 02:47 PM
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