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Thread (Discussion): [ABC 30] Diana Delgado tells her side of the story - Responsibility
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Posted by admin
on Jan 20, 2005 09:18 AM | Also by admin
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Discuss the article Diana Delgado tells her side of the story, which appeared on ABC 30 on January 19, 2005.
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2 related stories
Posted by steve
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Here are two related stories.
FUSD Addressing Parents Concerns
Jamuary 18, 2005
ABC 30
FUSD Addresses Concerns About Sex Offender
January 19, 2005
ABC 30
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Posted by LockEmUp
on Jan 20, 2005 10:21 PM | Also by LockEmUp
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This is a good example of why more details of the crime should be included on the registry. The description of Diana Delgado's crimes are described as "annoy/molest children" on the CA site. According to the news article, that's not exactly what happened.
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Posted by 1dadof5
on Jan 21, 2005 05:09 AM | Also by 1dadof5
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one of those old offenses, a big mistake that will haunt this lady forever. She is not a threat to little kids, and should not be on a registry for an offense 20 years ago, especially when most registries only require a 10 year registration
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Message 144294 (In Reply to Message 144238)
There's no reason for her to be on the register at all......
Posted by victorialondon
on Jan 22, 2005 04:53 PM | Also by victorialondon
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Even if you did put in the details(who would say if they were correct).
Many would not heed them but just scream "SEX OFFENDER!!!!SHE'S THERE ON THE SITE!!!"It's sufficient that she's onsite
Don't forget some don't care about the details,they just want something to do ,andsomeone to persecute.They enjoy doing it,just like they enjoyed scarley letters and witchunts,this is the modern version of these things,and can be a very sick unwholesome form of public entertainment.
The politicians and campaigners for "Megan's" law do this in order to make political capital,and don't care that they needlessy ruin human lives.Don't forget it's not only the poor Woman that's endangered and persecuted,but her daughter too.
"Megan's" law was named after the rape and murder of a seven year old,but many like poor Diana Delgado,who never were any more capable of such a thing than the next person ,and whose non predatory offences(including "Romeo and Juliet" offences,that may have consisted of no more than a consensual underage touching game at a party,and others convicted of victimless acts,or pieces of drunken and/or juvenile horse play thet went down as "public indecency")were decades ago,are then coralled in under that label,with hatred and violence against them so irrationally incited.
Did poor Diana Selgado go to prison in the first place,or did the court knowing the full facts of her offence think she wasn't bad enough to?.She was obviously naeve,and thought that she'd be allowed the rehabilitation she would if she'd been convicted of drug dealing or serious violence,or murder if she was then released.
Now she knows otherwise.
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She has 5 Children...
Posted by victorialondon
on Jan 22, 2005 05:02 PM | Also by victorialondon
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I said her daughter,in fact she has 5 Children humiliated and endangered by this.
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Posted by LockEmUp
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I believe you are correct that some people will act out no matter what the offender's charges are listed as, but I still think a proper description of the offender's crime could only help, especially in a case such as this one.
I highly doubt that Megan's Law was drafted for the sole purpose of making offenders' lives difficult. I agree that it does happen, and here is the big secret to not be among the ones harrassed - do not commit a sex-related crime, and you will not be on the site! Pretty simple, huh? If would-be offenders visit sites like this (and they do), perhaps reading what happens after their release may prevent them from crossing the line. If it saves one child, its a plus.
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Yes, but
Posted by oioi
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Yes, LockEmUp, I think that she needs to be identified. But not as a Sex Offender on some national registry.
She may just turn out to be an adequate parent and caretaker. I would not want to deprive society of that. She's not necessarily a child molester, but wouldn't it be nice if our society actually cared to moniter child care workers? These people are so poorly paid and are recruited from the dregs of society.
HELLO!
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Message 144342 (In Reply to Message 144211)
Don't get it
Posted by dp1
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How is her side different? She admits to having sex with a 16 year old. Isn't that what she was found guilty of? Wouldn't the offense be a qualifier for registration? What's the problem with molesters of 16 year old victims being on the registry? Are people saying they would rather not know who is a risk to their teenagers?
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Message 144345 (In Reply to Message 144211)
but i thought
Posted by oioi
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I was under the impression that 16 was the age of consent in most states. And, hopefully she is not a child molester. If she is a preschool teacher or childcare worker, I would assume that most of her charges are from 4 to 7 years old.
But what about the low wages for child care workers in this country? Does or does it not result in more child molestation by child care workers, in your opinion? And if child care were a valued "profession" ( valued meaning a wage above minimum ) would it make a difference?
Oioi, (childless for good reasons)
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Posted by 1dadof5
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Once again, I do not think having sex with a 16, or even a 15 year old should be a criminal offense. If we were to incarcerate everyone who committed such a "crime" there would be 10+ year long waiting lists in the prison system. As I stated in a previous post on another thread a day or so ago, these 15 and 16 year olds are already having sex, willingly participate in the sex with adults and many times are the perpetrators of sex crimes and tried and convicted as adults. This isn’t the 1950’s anymore, The Fonz, Beaver Cleaver and Ritchie Cunningham don’t exist in the real world. Less than 100 years ago, these “kids” were married and having kids of their own and no one called it a crime. Raping or molesting a child (i.e., someone under 12)
Should be a very serious crime, but a sexually active teen who is knowing and willingly engaging in sex with an adult is not a victim! Other than England and Australia you wont find any other countries besides our own who actually prosecute such “crimes”. Maybe its because they know that it isn’t? Maybe they live in something other than “Salem” and don’t have time to hang witches
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Message 144439 (In Reply to Message 144334)
Posted by LockEmUp
on Jan 24, 2005 05:41 PM | Also by LockEmUp
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What type of site should she be put on - A poor judgement site? lol. She had consensual sex with a minor many years ago, and by law, must register as a sex offender. My point was that with a description of the offense, intelligent people will read it, and not put her in the same category as a person that would be deemed a real threat. As far as case workers go, perhaps there is a "Should we monitor case workers" site that would better address this. GOODBYE!
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Posted by LockEmUp
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If your 15 year-old daughter comes home to tell you that she is sleeping with a 40 or 50 year old man, you wouldn't have a problem with that?
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lockemup
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Why would he have a problem with his 15 year old daughter having sex with an adult? If he didn't have sex with her mother when she was 15 (or was it 14 and had a baby at 15) she never would have been born.
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Posted by dp1
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I hear ya lockem. I think people who commit sex crimes should be rightfully labeled sex offenders and subsequently placed on a sex offender registry. And in this case things appear to be status quo. I'm trying to figure out what all the discussion is about and I'm scratching my head.
I have to tell ya, went to church Sunday and the Pastor was talking about sin. He asked how many lies does a person need to tell before he's a liar? Answer: One (obviously). So, how many sex crimes do you have to commit before you are a sex offender?
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the age doesnt matter if he is 15 or 50, I want her to abstain for as long as possible. The intent of the male, whether he be 15 or 50 is the same, they want sex, whats the difference? with either one, the same risks are present. STD's, pregnancy, the risk of violence. She has been educated enough to know all the risks of all the scenarios of either person and all those in between. Likewise, I know she too has the ability to commit an adult crime given the right scenario. She knows right from wrong and the consequenses of her actions if she were to commit an offense. likewise, most kids her age also know right from wrong and should be held just as responsible as those twice her age that commit a crime.
At least some such as myoung and orolan know what teens are really capable of. The rest of you, are simply in denial of reality
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dad
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men know a girl named palmala....why don't they use her?!! (sarc off)
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Posted by LockEmUp
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I'm glad you have educated your daughter regarding sexual activity, but you haven't answered my question - How would YOU feel, honestly, if your daughter was sleeping with a 50 year old man? I also believe all of us know what teens are really capable of - sexually and otherwise. Some of us just realize that physical maturity and mental maturity are two different animals.
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Message 144489 (In Reply to Message 144473)
Huh?
Posted by dp1
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At least some such as myoung and orolan know what teens are really capable of. The rest of you, are simply in denial of reality.
Huh? What teens are capable of? Denial? I misunderstood then. I thought this thread was about an adult who had sex with a teen. Now the discussion has turned to holding the victim responsible for the adult's crime. Say what? This forum is truly nuts. I guess no matter how many times you tell adults attracted to teens not to molest teens they just won't get it. And ain't that sweet that extreme force isn't necessary to convince a teen to have sex with an adult. No wonder the word molest is more appropriate than rape, eh?
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DP1, myoung
Posted by 1dadof5
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she was known as "rosey" to me. hehe....
And no, DP1, we are talking about older teens, not 12 or 13 year olds. And that all to often depends on how you mean victim. We are not talking about each states laws that may or may not criminalize the act, but the intentions of the teens themselves. If a teen is capable of coercing or even hinting at force, THEY can be the criminal, even if the "victim" is an adult. If they are capable of a sex crime, they are also capable of making informed decisions about sex with any partner(again, we are speaking of the older teens, like 15,16+)
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lockemup
Posted by 1dadof5
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being the parent of the 16 year old in your question, and of course not considering the legality of the issue, I would simply "explain" my
opinion to the gentleman(I wont elaborate in the forum as to what explaining actually is but you get my drift), but the question is irrelevent here because that simply wont happen, she "knows better"
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1dadof5
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I'm glad your daughter knows better, and also glad that you would take action if needed to protect her from it happening. So I guess that means that there really is a difference when it comes to age - even if the female (in this case) may be of legal age. What do you think?
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Posted by 1dadof5
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Well it comes back to the old R&J scenario. I believe that the cases of extremely older men such as 40-50 years with 15+16 year olds is much less of a problem as 20-30 year olds with the same teens
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Message 144687 (In Reply to Message 144388)
Responsibility
Posted by oioi
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One thing that is very important is to instill in children a knowledge of their vulnerability and a sense of responsibility. That is, even though a child or a teen may be victimized (molested or raped) and this is clearly the fault of the perpetrator, we are best off to instill in them the knowledge that their own actions do matter; that they do have some power.
For instance, if a child is told that it is inappropriate under any circumstances for an adult to touch them in certain ways and that s/he must report that touch, then that child is being initiated into a life of responsibility.
Of course, the child needs trustworthy adults around him/er to truly learn responsibility. That is part of learning by example.
It is not always easy or kind to teach this kind of thing. But a 16 year old who has been taught responsibility must be taught that if s/he chooses to have an encounter with a 50 year old, s/he must be willling to bear the costs. Even if she makes that sad choice against the training she has recieved, her family must still stand by and support her as they disapprove and warn her. But there is a time and a place when one must cut the cord. And if that child decides to move in with the 50 year old and/or have his baby, then she needs to be held responsible for those choices and treated as an adult.
Unfortunately, due in large part to the atmosphere of denial and willful ignorance, most such young women are not taught about the ramifications of such actions or about the future that inevitably awaits those who let themselves be pulled into relationships with much older adults.
But most folks are so sunk in denial they can't even address the issue.
oioi
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Responsibility
Posted by oioi
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One thing that is very important is to instill in children a knowledge of their vulnerability and a sense of responsibility. That is, even though a child or a teen may be victimized (molested or raped) and this is clearly the fault of the perpetrator, we are best off to instill in them the knowledge that their own actions do matter; that they do have some power.
For instance, if a child is told that it is inappropriate under any circumstances for an adult to touch them in certain ways and that s/he must report that touch, then that child is being initiated into a life of responsibility.
Of course, the child needs trustworthy adults around him/er to truly learn responsibility. That is part of learning by example.
It is not always easy or kind to teach this kind of thing. But a 16 year old who has been taught responsibility must be taught that if s/he chooses to have an encounter with a 50 year old, s/he must be willling to bear the costs. Even if she makes that sad choice against the training she has recieved, her family must still stand by and support her as they disapprove and warn her. But there is a time and a place when one must cut the cord. And if that child decides to move in with the 50 year old and/or have his baby, then she needs to be held responsible for those choices and treated as an adult.
Unfortunately, due in large part to the atmosphere of denial and willful ignorance, most such young women are not taught about the ramifications of such actions or about the future that inevitably awaits those who let themselves be pulled into relationships with much older adults.
But most folks are so sunk in denial they can't even address the issue.
oioi
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144211, admin, Jan 20, 2005 09:18 AM [Introduction]
144212, steve, Jan 20, 2005 02:20 PM [2 related stories]
144249, 1dadof5, Jan 21, 2005 05:09 AM
144238, LockEmUp, Jan 20, 2005 10:21 PM
144294, victorialondon, Jan 22, 2005 04:53 PM [There's no reason for her to be on t...]
144319, LockEmUp, Jan 22, 2005 07:42 PM
144295, victorialondon, Jan 22, 2005 05:02 PM [She has 5 Children...]
144334, oioi, Jan 23, 2005 01:56 AM [Yes, but]
144439, LockEmUp, Jan 24, 2005 05:41 PM
144457, dp1, Jan 25, 2005 02:28 AM
144342, dp1, Jan 23, 2005 03:41 AM [Don't get it]
144345, oioi, Jan 23, 2005 04:30 AM [but i thought]
144388, 1dadof5, Jan 23, 2005 11:05 PM
144440, LockEmUp, Jan 24, 2005 05:47 PM
144455, dp1, Jan 25, 2005 02:07 AM [lockemup]
144473, 1dadof5, Jan 25, 2005 05:01 AM
144482, myoung, Jan 25, 2005 06:28 AM [dad]
144486, LockEmUp, Jan 25, 2005 01:39 PM
144489, dp1, Jan 25, 2005 02:33 PM [Huh?]
144495, 1dadof5, Jan 25, 2005 03:49 PM [DP1, myoung]
144564, 1dadof5, Jan 26, 2005 06:58 PM [lockemup]
144618, LockEmUp, Jan 28, 2005 12:51 AM [1dadof5]
144634, 1dadof5, Jan 28, 2005 05:07 AM
144687, oioi, Jan 29, 2005 03:56 AM [Responsibility]
144688, oioi, Jan 29, 2005 03:58 AM [Responsibility]
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