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Thread (Discussion): [BendBulletin.com] Officials explain boy's release - Koolkiddo14
Message 138066 Introduction
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on Jul 27, 2004 11:27 PM | Also by admin
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Discuss the article Officials explain boy's release, by Kelly Kearsley, which appeared on BendBulletin.com on July 27, 2004.
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Message 138150 (In Reply to Message 138066)
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on Jul 29, 2004 04:20 PM | Also by orolan
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I guess nobody is interested in just exactly WHY this 12 year-old thinks it is OK to rape 6 year-olds. Something in his life has exposed him to this type of behavior. If I had to guess I would say it came from the very people tasked with making sure he didn't offend again, and who apparently failed miserably at that task as well.
The parents.
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Message 138154 (In Reply to Message 138066) OK a few things here.......
Posted by Silverthorne
on Jul 29, 2004 04:36 PM | Also by Silverthorne
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"The boy was home during the day, without supervision, while his parents were at work, Deschutes County Deputy District Attorney Christina McMahan said. "
Charge the parents with neglect. They know he's a sex offender (and a 12 year old) why the heck was he home alone?
These include limits on how long juveniles can be held in detention, a lack of resources for juvenile sex offenders and supervision plans that rely on the cooperation of the offender's parents.
Well since the government has gone ahead and made all these "special laws" that apply only to sex offenders and no other criminals (like the registry) why don't they just extend them to juveniles. In fact I dont recall seeing anywhere juveniles are excluded.
How about civil commitment? This kid has proven he can't control himself. Lock him up, polygraph him, put a peter-meter on him and keep him locked up until he isn't a danger. Gee if he were in Florida he might get out in time to collect social security?
"Previously convicted of raping one child, the boy was waiting for a place to open in a residential treatment program — and living at home — when he allegedly sexually abused a 6-year-old girl in his neighborhood. "
Maybe DP1 can answer this. If your SO's get out of jail and are supposed to go to an inpatient treatment center are they let out or KEPT in jail until they go to the hospital? It seems to me they'd keep him locked up until there is an opening.
In addition, McMahan said the law requires authorities to offer juvenile offenders an opportunity to reform with the least restrictions possible, while still keeping the community safe.
Obviously since he is a sex offender the community is in "danger". Did he have to register when he went home? What kind of law allows them to "reform"????? This is all about public safety and reform isn't part of that ask any adult SO.
In June, he was found guilty of the rape and strangulation charges.
You can bet if he was 22 and not 12 he'd be doing about 30 years in jail for these charges.
As part of his conditions of release, McMahan and the district's attorney's office required that the boy:
Be under 24-hour adult supervision;
Have no contact with the victim;
Not take the school bus;
Not have any unsupervised contact with children;
And not have any unsupervised computer access.
Good restrictions again why was he home alone? Mom? Dad? Where are you? You knew about these restrictions? Lock them ALL up. On a side note why the computer access restriction?
Scanlon said the county does have five electronic ankle bracelets the juvenile department can use to monitor offenders. The bracelets are not usually used for sex offenders, because they only monitor when the juvenile leaves and enters the home.
Did he lure this latest victim to his house? Maybe a jailcell would be a better monitoring device?
Johnson said the boy did well in school — he didn't receive any complaints — and had started his sex offender treatment. When summer started, Johnson and the boy's parents agreed that he would work at a family friend's business during the day, where he could be supervised.
Ah DP1 is this normal? Passing the buck like this to someone else to supervise SO's?
Conclusion:
All in all a screwed up case. While I assume the boy was exposed to improper sexuality at somepoint the fact it doesnt mention him being a victim makes me wonder. I've read a book called "Killer Clowns" (about John Wayne Gacy). He was never a victim and look what he ended up as (serial rapist/killer of boys and men). I believe some people are just hardwired "bad" and this kid may be one of them. I mean rape and strangulation? I'd compare this kid to those two in England a few years ago who led a little 4 year old to a train yard, killed him, poured paint in his eyes then dumped his body on the tracks where it was cut in half. They were around 12 as I recall and recently got out of prison (I'll try and find a link). They were just "bad kids" (although one was apparently abused). Still even if they were abused nothing justfies this.
Silverthorne
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Message 138161 (In Reply to Message 138154)
Posted by brennus
on Jul 29, 2004 05:42 PM | Also by brennus
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They are to have no contact with their victims or children under 18 years old without written permission from their sex offender treatment therapists or community justice officers;
And they are not to frequent places where there are children younger than 18, including parks, school playgrounds, arcades and swimming pools, without written permission from their community justice officers.
Does anyone else believe that this restriction on juvenile SO's is going too far? The boy which was charged is only 12 years old and he was accused of molesting a 6-year old girl. Theoretically, without permission, he could have been sent to detention for hanging out with 17-year olds he knew - even though they would have been five years older than him. They copied adult SO's restrictions on associating with minors to the juvenile system. They should change the restrictions so that juvenile SO's can freely associate with juveniles their age or older.
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Message 138182 (In Reply to Message 138154) Silverthorne
Posted by orolan
on Jul 30, 2004 12:24 AM | Also by orolan
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I can agree with what you're saying. But one of your comments struck me, and is relevant to another thread:
I believe some people are just hardwired "bad" and this kid may be one of them.
Is it a stretch to assume that if a person can be hardwired "bad", other persons could be wired "pedosexual"?
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Message 138183 (In Reply to Message 138161) Brennus
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I agree. But the "pat" answer from the powers that be is that sex offenders, juvenile or adult, have no respect for the law or boundaries. Therefore ALL minors must be protected. So what if this boy's "age of attraction" is 6 years old (after all, he IS 2 for 2 on that age)? He's apparently thought just as likely to do the same to a 16 year-old if there isn't a 6 year-old handy.
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Message 138185 (In Reply to Message 138183)
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He's apparently thought just as likely to do the same to a 16 year-old if there isn't a 6 year-old handy.
That's precisely why they're banning him from ALL unsupervised contact with people under 18, not simply with people younger than him. If he tries to assault a 16 year old, I could see her fighting (or at least trying to fight) him off. The blanket ban of juvenile SO's associating with people their peers or older should be repealed.
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Message 138193 (In Reply to Message 138182)
Posted by Silverthorne
on Jul 30, 2004 04:35 AM | Also by Silverthorne
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Sure it means that but it still doesnt mean its "ok" or "right".
Silverthorne
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Message 138270 (In Reply to Message 138193) i am confused
Posted by koolkiddo14
on Jul 31, 2004 04:02 PM | Also by koolkiddo14
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I am confused a bit, Our lawmakers keep pushing for higher "age of consent laws" while sex offenders keep getting younger and younger. what if this kid rapes an 18y/o and they cannot prove rape
beyond a reasonable doubt, does the prosecutor then go after the 18 y/o victim? being 15 now, with a 17 y/o boyfriend who turns 18 next month, he becomes a sex offender by law although I have been able to make my own informed decisions for a few years as I am VERY sure this kid is aware of what he is doing. Why cant he then be tried as an adult? he is doing what our legal system has determined to be adult conduct by legislation. He needs to be tried as an adult. I mean like, COME ON here, something is really screwed up here that he can even be allowed to offend the second time. We have such a double standard in this country. If he had a consentual sexual contect with an 18 y/o, he would then become a victim? obviously he is anything but. Sorry, but I have this argument all the time with my parents when I hear these kind of news. With the "internet age" even we kids have access to information we could not have had 20 years ago when my parents were my age. As a result of all this "information" we mature intellectually and psychologically at a much faster rate than in the past, and our laws have not kept up. There needs to be a complete overhaul of our legal system to represent todays times
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Message 138326 (In Reply to Message 138066) RE koolkiddo14
Posted by orolan
on Aug 02, 2004 07:38 PM | Also by orolan
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Too bad I can't reply directly to kk14, but I want to say to the rest of the forum that her outlook is rather refreshing.
So, what do you others think who believe that her boyfriend is taking advantage of her because she has NO CLUE that her relationship with him is damaging and scarring her for life? After all, she IS an emotionally, mentally and psychologically immature teen, right? And he is about to hit that age where he goes from being a "boyfriend" to being a "nasty pedophile child molester".
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Message 138328 (In Reply to Message 138270) koolkiddo14
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Hello and welcome to this forum.
I am curious. Your profile indicates you are under the age of 18. If it is true that you are a minor, why are you posting in a forum with pedophiles, child molesters and convicted sex offenders?
Do you have experience with chatting or posting to pedophiles? I wonder if your parents are aware you're on an internet site communicating with adults who have victimized children.
Most of the sex offenders and pedophiles that post here try to stay clear of the victim's corner forum. It would be highly unlikely you'd be communicating with a pedophile in that forum.
You are certainly welcome to post wherever you want. I just wanted to point out what type of audiance you were talking to in case you were not aware. Some of the folks on this site are not allowed to even communicate with minors, so please do not feel offended if they don't respond directly to you.
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Message 138331 (In Reply to Message 138328) DP1
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If it is true that you are a minor, why are you posting in a forum with pedophiles, child molesters and convicted sex offenders?
Considering her fear that her boyfriend may be forced to join our little pedo club simply because he's going to have a birthday, where else should she seek advice?
I wonder if your parents are aware you're on an internet site communicating with adults who have victimized children.
Not to mention probation officers;-)
It would be highly unlikely you'd be communicating with a pedophile in that forum.
I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Don't even suggest that she go to that forum! She's not a victim, in case you didn't notice. Of course, as soon as her boyfriend turns 18, THEN she'll be the poor helpless little victim who was preyed on by the nasty predator.
Some of the folks on this site are not allowed to even communicate with minors, so please do not feel offended if they don't respond directly to you.
Thanks for clarifying that for her. As one of "those" people, I have to do this third-person "talk around the corner" thing:-)
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Message 138332 (In Reply to Message 138331) Orolan
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Considering her fear that her boyfriend may be forced to join our little pedo club simply because he's going to have a birthday, where else should she seek advice?
If my child was underage and posted to a site that was not age-appropriate I would appreciate it if someone spoke up. Most new people here don't realize who their audiance is. My post was simply informational. If she chooses to seek sexual advice from sex offenders and pedophiles that's her choice, but it won't be because she didn't know.
The appropriate place to discuss sexual issues as a minor is in the home. If she can't speak to her parents for whatever reason then speaking to someone in the extended family such as an aunt, uncle or grandparent is also appropriate. School counselors, clergyman, mentor or a close personal family friend would also be a wise choice.
Seeking advice as a minor from offenders that have victimized children or pedophiles that have deviant sexual fantasies about minors is poor judgement IMO.
Posting to the victim's forum was suggested not because I think she is a victim, but because it would minimize her contact with deviants.
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Message 138348 (In Reply to Message 138328) Internet safety tips
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http://inin.essortment.com/internetsafety_rbsf.htm
Before allowing your child on the Internet, instruct them to:
1. to never arrange a face-to-face meeting with someone they met on- line;
2. to never upload (post) pictures of themselves onto the Internet or on-line service to people they do not personally know;
3. to never give out identifying information such as their name, home address, school name, or telephone number;
4. to never download pictures from an unknown source, as there is a good chance there could be sexually explicit images;
5. to never respond to messages or bulletin board postings that are suggestive, obscene, belligerent, or harassing;
6. that whatever they are told on-line may or may not be true.
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Message 138365 (In Reply to Message 138348)
Posted by koolkiddo14
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Wow, i did not know that i would cause such a fuss. i am sorry. as to how I came to this site, it was on my grandpa's computer who is the sheriff of a large county in KY. as for knowing who i am communicating with in the forum, no, i did not know there were pedophiles in the forums. even so, its not like you know where i live or anything. I get alot of trust from my parents who think that i can make good decisions. even though they dont agree with me even having a boyfriend yet, they know i wont do anything stupid.
another poster asked if i had experience with online predators, well because of my age, yes all the time, when i am in chats, i do get "hit" on by older people, this weekend by a 33 y/o who was way too curious and wierd. then again, i am smart enough to not go meet or give info to someone i dont know. maybe those who have thoughts of trying to be with girls my age, may learn something here.
anyway, this site make me curious of how some people think and make me better to deal with situations and learn others views.
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Message 138377 (In Reply to Message 138365) Koolkiddo14
Posted by dp1
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I didn't think you suspected pedophiles and sex offenders were on this site. This site does have a lot of diversity and information about sexual deviants.
If you haven't spent a lot of time with pedophiles you may find most of their smooth talking posts very interesting. I know when I was your age I never thought a sexual deviant could actually be a functioning adult that can hold a conversation. I visualized the typical dirty old man in a trenchcoat. After working in law enforcement for many years with sex offenders myself, it still amazes me how they appear so normal and so nice to the general public. That is untill you get to know them.
I felt compelled to give you a heads up. You are welcome no matter which forum you post in. Keep in mind that your username is basically advertising your age as 14. Your profile indicates you are under 18. Pedophiles or sex offenders will quickly pick up on that. If your chatting on AOL with a name like that it wouldn't surprise me at all that a 33 year old pervert tried to hit on you. Please be careful.
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Thread 138066, admin, Jul 27, 2004 11:27 PM [Introduction] 138150, orolan, Jul 29, 2004 04:20 PM 138154, Silverthorne, Jul 29, 2004 04:36 PM [OK a few things here.......] 138161, brennus, Jul 29, 2004 05:42 PM 138183, orolan, Jul 30, 2004 12:28 AM [Brennus] 138185, brennus, Jul 30, 2004 12:50 AM 138182, orolan, Jul 30, 2004 12:24 AM [Silverthorne] 138193, Silverthorne, Jul 30, 2004 04:35 AM 138270, koolkiddo14, Jul 31, 2004 04:02 PM [i am confused] 138328, dp1, Aug 02, 2004 11:14 PM [koolkiddo14] 138331, orolan, Aug 03, 2004 01:02 AM [DP1] 138332, dp1, Aug 03, 2004 03:20 AM [Orolan] 138348, dp1, Aug 04, 2004 02:26 AM [Internet safety tips] 138365, koolkiddo14, Aug 05, 2004 01:12 AM 138377, dp1, Aug 05, 2004 05:30 AM [Koolkiddo14] 138326, orolan, Aug 02, 2004 07:38 PM [RE koolkiddo14]
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