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Thread (Discussion): [The Athens News] OU says student sex offender can stay in his dorm - So there must be danger.
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Discuss the article OU says student sex offender can stay in his dorm, which appeared on The Athens News on April 05, 2004.
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Posted by dp1
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I don't see any problem with that. Now if he was a rapist and was found guilty of raping a 18 year old girl then I'd say he was a risk living on campus.
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I don't see a problem with it either. Based on what was shared in the article, it sounds like the school and the police handled the situation professionally and appropriately. And as an added bonus the school discovered some loopholes and proposed solutions that seem appropriate.
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""Everyone was very forthright and forthcoming about the case," the attorney said. She added that based on documents in the man's case, the girl apparently came forward and told authorities that she had wanted the sexual relationship with the 18-year-old man."
Considering this "victim" lied about her age and sought him out for sex I'm upset to see him registered at all. It isn't like he went out and said "Im going to bed a 13 year old tonight".
I'm also disturbed the newspaper that broke the story even did so. If they had done ANY investigation at all of this guy they would've found out the same thing the college did, that the guy isn't a predator, and they probably wouldn't have even written about it.
Instead you can bet there were big headlines about the "Evil SO Dorm Student". Media hype and lies.
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Considering this "victim" lied about her age and sought him out for sex I'm upset to see him registered at all. It isn't like he went out and said "Im going to bed a 13 year old tonight".
Apparently they don't have attorneys there of the same caliber they do in Plant City, huh? Otherwise, he wouldn't be registered.
Looking on the bright side of this and the Plant City case, along with other references in the media, it appears the courts are finally wising up and backing off from the "every minor is an exploited victim" theory and starting to assign a certain amount of culpability to these teens who are seeking out and engaging in consensual acts with adults.
It will be a long time before they do it where the adult is 38 instead of 18, if ever. But at least some are getting a break.
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either way you look at it its a sad story for the young man that will have this to carry around for along time .
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Posted by MrTruth
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In Colorado, there was a lawsuit over the results of a high school football game (play-offs) because one of the players on the winning team was an ineligible player. Turns out the player is a sex offender who had moved around a bit because of treatment and other legal matters, BUT, and this is the important part, his treatment agency and PO approved his attending public HS and participating in sports.
A local TV station outted the player. They couldn't just investigate the discrepancy of his records - which was the school's fault for not being accurate in their determination of eligibility. The student wasn't hiding his past or trying to mislead the school as his records were right there, in black and white. Yet, the TV station felt that the kid's offense was newsworthy enough and exposed him. It was great journalism - NOT.
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Message 130010 (In Reply to Message 129913)
Yes a lot must depend on the quality of the original lawyers
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I simply don't know what the legal situation is in America,in England and Wales(not Scotland) the defence of "I thought, /she/he said, that were older" may be accepted from those under 24 years of age without a previous sexual conviction,the Police and CPS(Crown prosecution service) often use this as an excuse for not bringing prosecutions ,which might in fact succeed,at the urging of wrathfull parents.The courts have ruled,in accordance with the European convention of human rights, that "Romeo and Juliet" offenders must now be excluded from registration.
There is now in this country a great reluctance to bring charges of underage sex against young people and so brand them as sexual offenders.This appears to be shared by some American authorities,but others pursue them with a persecutory,often religious zeal,so the matter of whether young peole end up on registers and websites is very arbitrary.
Was he 18 at the time of the offence or 17? that may have been a vital detail.
Plainly as notoriously with capital punishment(eg it was never even sought with O J Simpson) the quality of the legal defence that can be afforded is a crucial factor here.The Black Romeo ,or the Romeo from "the wrong side of the tracks" is much more likely to be pilloried than the Romeo from the vanilla suburb.
But why o why is this young man registered on a public register at all?why is his young life being so blighted?with likely danger to his family as well as him?
Is he now going to go and rape and murder a 7 year old?so why is he subject to what is called "Megan's" law?
The campaigners for "Megan's" law and the Politicians must be confronted with this ,and the numerous similar cases?
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Plainly as notoriously with capital punishment(eg it was never even sought with O J Simpson) the quality of the legal defence that can be afforded is a crucial factor here.The Black Romeo ,or the Romeo from "the wrong side of the tracks" is much more likely to be pilloried than the Romeo from the vanilla suburb.
There's no doubt money buys a better defense. And there's no doubt that the human element and personal beliefs play a part in who is prosecuted, the effort a prosecutor might put into a case and what a judge and jury might decide, though the law is supposed to be blind. That's the case for all crimes though and probably is the case in most countries, not just the U.S. so I'm not sure how this is any more pertinent here in the U.S. for sex offenders than it would be say in Greece for murderers.
But why o why is this young man registered on a public register at all?why is his young life being so blighted?with likely danger to his family as well as him?
I'm skeptical about the likely danger you refer to. He lives in a dorm with people 18+ in age. He was convicted of having a consensual sexual relationship at age 18 with a 13 year old. The school doesn't consider him a risk and the Athens News presented the story very professionally - even leaving out his name, his race (he's black) and steps to find his identity and information. For the record, you can find his offender details here. Since I believe in teaching people how to fish, here's how I found it. I clicked "Sex Offender Registry" found at the top of all pages on SexCriminals.com, clicked "Ohio" and clicked the link under the heading "Online Registry / Online Directory" which took me to the Ohio Sex Offender Registry. Here's where it gets tricky. You can do a name search, but it's not clear whether it's just for names (you can actually search names and Zip Codes there). I typed in a random name, found no results and on the next page I clicked "New Search" which pulls up a different page which lets you enter a name, Zip Code, county or school district. I would have entered the county of Athens, but since the school's Zip Code of 45701 was mentioned in the article I searched on it. Since there was a column "age" I scanned it, saw the fifth listing said "19", clicked it and it was him.
Is he now going to go and rape and murder a 7 year old?so why is he subject to what is called "Megan's" law?
The campaigners for "Megan's" law and the Politicians must be confronted with this ,and the numerous similar cases?
That's rediculous. It's not called Megan's Law because it's meant soley to prevent incidents involving little girls kidnapped, raped and murdered and nothing else. It's politics and human nature plain and simple. Some people wanted community notification and politicians want votes. If a politician has his choice of using the name of a little girl from a high profile heinous case with tons of media attention whose parents were getting even more media attention for advocating community notification or instead using the name of a kid who was sexually abused by the man nextdoor who babysat him and no one was aware of the kid's name or that case whose name do you think the politician and advocacy groups would use. I have no doubt you're familiar with Sarah Payne and Sarah's Law in your very own U.K. Have anything to say about it?
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MrTruth
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Can you find an article about that Colorado player and post a link? I'd like to read more about it.
I just dont understand why the media has to go out of their way to "out" these people. Like that paper in Indiana. Some of those people had been out for 10-20 years and had rebuilt their lives. Then one morning their picture is on the front page of the paper.
Its nothing but harrassment and sensationalism. If its all "for the children" lets just go and tatoo a darn SEX OFFENDER on their foreheads. At least then they can cut all this garbage out.
Silverthorne
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We agree more than you think.
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Of course what I wrote about the quality of legal representation doesn't just apply to the USA.The reason why it's stressed as regards America is that your country alone out of western society has capital punishment,perhaps you don't hear so much of it in Greece ,or this country since Greece and Britain have abolished capital punishment,and are better and cleaner places for having done so.
If he lives in a dorm with others(who might attack him,or be misidentified as him),he surely doesn't all the time,and will be with his family sometimes,the fact he is on a public registry puts him and them(possibly including child siblings)at risk,they could be firebombed,no one can quantify this risk or say how high it is,you cannot say that the risk is "theoretical"if they are burned it won't only be in theory they have been burned.So the risk shouldn't exist unneccessarily ,and this plainly is unneccessary.
The point is that the term "Megan's" law means that the extreme case of a murdered child is used to corrall in many offenders like this youngster,in no way capable of such an act,and so misleading the public that there's thousands of potential child killers out there,with everyone convicted of a designated "sexual" offence covered by a term that makes it seem they will next kill a child.
In this way public anger and hysteria is incited ,and those posted,and their families put at danger.
You are right to say it's to do with politics ,and vote catching,politicians are making political capital out of this in the same way that previous politicians exploited witchunts and Mc Carthyism.
As for "Sarah's" law in this country,the government has not enacted in it even such an enemy of civil rights Home secretary David Blunkett has said "Can I tell those campaigning, quietly,that we cannot hand over to mobs who can't distiguish paedophiles from paediatricians"(a paediatrician and her family were attacked here by a vigilante mob,confusing the terms).
The campaign for "Sarah's" law was run,almost exclusivly, by the News of the World "newspaper" a pornographic sheet of hate an lies(they had to pay out half a million pounds to those wrongly identified) who exploited the poor Payne parents when they were in shock.Since then they have both suffered severe depression ,and poor Michael Payne has attempted suicide.They apparently believed that "Megan's" law only posted high risk predators,when they learned of the "Romeo and Juliets",drunken mooners(no I can't point out anyone on the sites posted for "drunken mooning" or "nude swimming" the description is "indecent exposure" or "public indecency")ect,ect.They were deeply hurt feeling the American campaigners for "Megan's" law had misled them.
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victorialondon,
I'd like to make a friendly recommendation that you consider focusing on less issues in each of your posts and provide more evidence to back your views than repeating the same things over and over without any real evidence. I keep an open mind and my views since I founded the site in 1998 have been influenced and changed in part by what others here have said, but your posts seem like nothing more than unfocused anti-American propaganda than attempts to persuade with supporting evidence. Sure, the student at Ohio University could be firebombed, but are the odds of violence or murder as a result of his listing on the public registry statistically much more likely than that of the average citizen? If you compile enough anecdotal evidence with some study results and stats sprinkled in I could be persuaded, but if you just say it could happen and you comdemn the registries because you heard about some cases of skinnydippers, mooners, Romeo and Juliets being listed, but can't point to real examples or the extent of the situation your arguments carry no weight with me. I'm not trying to be rude, but without something real to persuade me that there's a problem why shouldn't I discount what you say and eventually ignore it since you continue to repeat it over and over again, never making a stronger case for your position?
Interestingly, I've read at least a handful of articles from the U.K. over the last few months about citizens banishing sex offenders from their towns, threatening them or performing acts of vigilantism against them. I don't know how prevelant this behavior is in the U.K., I'm sure the media there jumps all over these cases which makes them seem more prevalent than they may really be and it's obviously just anecdotal evidence, but there aren't public sex offender registries in the U.K., correct? Yet, it seems there's the very same vigilantism actually happening in the U.K. that you condemn the U.S. for which actually does have public registries.
Here's a story of vigilantism and threats against a 41 year old convicted of assaulting a 14 year old girl - Sex offender not safe, say parents. And I'm quite sure you're aware of this story since it got tons of media coverage in December- Paedophile link to murder. You may even have heard about the dozens of newsgroups in the U.K. sharing information on suspected pedophiles and encouraging people to hunt them down (January) - Vigilante fears from paedophile hitlist. And these were just articles that were listed here at SexCriminals.com and I remembered.
Any comments on what's happening in the U.K. which DOESN'T have a public sex offender registry?
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Message 130145 (In Reply to Message 130065)
Thanks for the criticisms
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Dear Steve,
Thanks for the criticisms,I'll try to take them on board,and post more carefully in the future.
I'll consider what you said in depth,but can I make one point.
You say "Sure the student at Ohio university could br firebombed ,but are the odds of violence or murder as a result of his listing on the public registry mucch more likely than that of the average citizen?".I would say they were higher,and that risk also extends to his family,this is presumably a cause of anxiety to his parents,who may
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I seem to have got cut off here
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I seem to have got cut off here so to go straight on.
(I don't know)) have other children living at that address,now if you and your child was living at an adress ,and you had a fear,with some reason that you would be firebombed and your children burned,would you be relieved to hear that an opinion had been expressed that the enhancement of the risk was not much gteater ,and the odds of it happening were not much shorter?,what odds on Children being burned are acceptable?
This when
What is the justification for posting this young man on the site in the first place?
What is the service to the public interest that is supposed to justify so blighting a young life,with a collateral effect on his family?
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Posted by steve
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You say "Sure the student at Ohio university could br firebombed ,but are the odds of violence or murder as a result of his listing on the public registry mucch more likely than that of the average citizen?".I would say they were higher,and that risk also extends to his family,this is presumably a cause of anxiety to his parents,who may
We all know the media is biased, but with the exception of incarcerated sex offenders (which isn't the result of community notification) I haven't heard of a murder or attempted murder of a released sex offender in the U.S. in the 21st century in which registration/notification was known or suspected to be a contributing factor.. And I don't really recall stories of violent vigilantism where that was the case either. There probably have been some (and I'd like to know of them), but with a quarter million released registered sex offenders in the U.S. I just haven't come across murder and acts of vigilantism attributed to the sex offender registries. Sure, I've read stories of people who have been murdered or harmed who happened to be registered sex offenders, but there weren't indications the incidents were the result of community notification or public sex offender registries. When a father beats up or kills someone convicted or accused of molesting his kid that's not because of notification or registration. When a sex offender is shot or killed and there's no indication that it was due to registration/notification I consider it as a possibility, but have to assume that it's most likely unrelated. The U.S. adult murder rate is about 1 out of 15,000 so stands to reason that with a quarter million RSOs in the U.S. 20 or so will be murdered each year if their risk is just at the national average. And as a group they are probably higher risk even if there was no registration/notification. For me to consider registration/notification putting RSOs at significant risk of murder or violence I'd need to read actual accounts of murder, attempted murder, violence or attempted violence against RSOs where it's known or strongly suspected that registration/notification faciliated it. Barring that if I read a study that the murder rate of convicted sex offenders after implementation of registration/notification is at a significantly higher rate than prior to registration/notification being implemented I'd think about it too, but more would be needed to prove a correlation. I hope this makes sense.
If conjecture is good enough, from where I sit I can't help but wonder if the lack of a public sex offender registry in the U.K. is causing a higher rate of vigilantism there than if there was a public sex offender registry. It sure seems to me like there's quite a bit of vigilantism there. Do you disagree that there's a lot of vigilantism in the U.K.? If not, any thoughts?
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You asked me for evidence
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Yes there is a lot of vigilantism here,it was given a big lift by the News of the Worlds inflammatory name/shame Witchunt ,which Maureen Kanka,and,Mark Klaas flew here to support.A 14 year old girl in Yorkshire was killed by a firebomb intended for a sexual offender,now it seems to be spreading away from sexual offences,a suspected house burglar was battered to death with a baseball bat,northern Ireland is a special case with the paramilitaries beating maiming and killing,sometimes juveniles and Children,and families burned alive in their homes,now racist arson attacks are the norm in Ulster.I'll say more and compare the Britain and America later.
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hunting so's
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http://www.thechamplainchannel.com/wnne/2661553/detail.html
I know of a few others but this one I thought was most relevant since he used the online registry to find his targets. Does anyone remember a California case where a so sold his home and a couple guys beat the snot out of the guy who bought it because they thought he was the SO because the registry had not been updated and still listed the address?
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Message 130152 (In Reply to Message 130065)
You asked me for evidence(I just posted that title by mistake on my previous post)
Posted by victorialondon
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You asked me for evidence annecdotal and statistical.
I can give the first,but not the second.
It is in fact impossible to gain any overall statistical picture from the websites,all your given is a general description or a statute number,the same description or number can cover a number of things,"Sodomy" or the number for it can for example mean either rape,child abuse,and sex between consenting adults(possibly in a car or behind bushes and therefore "public" indecent exposure or public indecency can either be a very sick nuisance offence,or just a piece of drunken and/or juvenile horseplay(I will provide examples of this soon).
But in this case regarding the situation regarding "Romeo and Juliet" offenders,I direct everyone to the website of the pressure group "Citizens for second chances" which is linked to sexcriminals ,this was set up on this very issue and since then they have had contacts from other parents throughout the country from other parents who find themselves in this situation.I couldn't give you statistics on this.I don't know if they could.
A recent tragic case (I ask Steve to post the news items,oops there I go again perhaps he already has) which this site highlights is that of 20 year old (younger at the time of the offence) Gayle Fawcett who committed suicide after having plead guilty to a minor offence in a plea bargain under which he would not be posted,was posted nevertheless.But I think this is worth a thread on the general forum so I'll pursue this there.
The CSC site posts links to articles on the subject of this,and other Romeo and Juliet abuses,from the Detroit free press.
I'll be back to give sources for what I've said about "drunken mooners" ect.
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LostTime I forgot about that guy. Thanks for reminding me. I actually posted that article here last year and another article about him - Man Allegedly Targeting, Trying To Kill Sex Offenders. If you read that article you'll see that in addition to the stabbing of a registered sex offender, when police found a list of registered sex offenders living in New Hampshire inside his apartment with check marks next to some names, they then suspected him of setting a fire at the home of three convicted sex offenders. The article also notes he was tried and acquitted of murdering an elderly woman in the 1980s. According to the article Ex-inmate stabs prisoner in Concord Trant "was paroled from the state prison last year on a conviction for receiving stolen property, had attended the same treatment meeting as Sheridan" (Sheridan was the stabbing victim).
I can't find any information about whether he was tried and what the outcome was. He definitely appears to be an example of someone who used the sex offender registry information to attempt to hurt those listed.
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Civil Commitment
Posted by Silverthorne
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You know this vigilante sounds like a civil commitment candidate to me. What a wacko.
SIlverthorne
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Now about drunken mooners ect
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I type so slowly that I keep getting cut off ,so I'll have to post this in pieces.
Again I can't give statistics ,the web entries don't say "drunken mooning" ,but "Indecent exposure".But it is so that this tpye of offender does end up posted on the web,I don't know how often.
I have culled this from articles and papers I shall give a name and title that is available by Google,rather than a complete web adrees which I might type wrong.
Robert E Freeman Longo,in his invaluable paper "revisiting Megan's law ...prevention or problem?"writes (page 2) "some states have applied these laws retroactivly resulting in persons charged with indecent exposure for urinating in public"(why did they,were they drunk,ill,depressed or disturbed?)"an labelled as sex offenders".And(page 13)In another example from Michigan (where juvenile sex offenders are registered)an 18 year old ,who engaged in the prank of mooning the scholl principal was convicted of indecent exposure,had to register with the state for 25 years and has had his name and address publicly posted(Rosenberg 2000)).I can't find the Rosenberg article on the web.
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CONTINUED
Posted by victorialondon
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LaShanda D.Maze writes in Campus times February 28,1997 in her article,"Megan's law flawed in it's enforcement"
"Megan's law is so widely based....no one realy knows who the law applies to as a serious offender.
In Monday's"(24 february 1997)",Nicholas Riccardi and Jeff leeds brought to light just how unfair and misleading Megan's law can be.
They found that crimes that had nothing to do with rape or Child molestation and may have been one ploicemans moral judgement which now leave the "criminals" the burden of also registering and living in shame .
According to Times a Massachusetts homeless man who changed clothes in his car was charged with indecent exposure and a Wisconsin 15 year old who had consensual"(I'd guess very consensual) "with a 13 year old boyfriend are now registered sexual offenders.
The times article is only available in an abridged form on "Queerlaw" site.
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CONTINUED(I,m sorry I type so slowly)
Posted by victorialondon
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Yes I,M sorry but I find that I spend a long time composing,and when I't comes to submit,I'm cut off.So I'm posting in pieces,sorry for the inconvienience.
The Findlaw article "Findlaw What's in a name? Megan's law"
Writes "In the fervour on cracking down on Paedophilies and rapists ,few forsaw the devastating impact that these new motivation laws would have on those whom no one expected to apear in these databases but appeared nonetheless .Gay men convicted of Sodomy before 1976 when it was still a criminal offence"(this refers to California consensual adult Gay sex was illegal in 13 states until this tears supreme court ruling,those convicted are apparently still posted,consensual Gay sex in a car will still see those convicted posted ,even if only fined,alongside rapists and molesters)"teenagers convicted of statutory rape for having sex with their teenage sweethearts ;drunken partygoers convicted of indecent exposure after streaking hijinx--these and other people caught in moments of indiscretion have been labelled sex offenders and pulled into the registration system."
P.S To conclude with a word about "Romeo and Juliet's" Michigan where "Citizens for second chances" is based may be a relativly liberal state,and they may even succeed,but in the Bible belt experimenting adolescents(particularly if they are of differing colours) are pursued with a persecutory zeal and "Megan's" law is used as a modern electronic version of "The Scarlet letter" to punish "sexual immorality" they won't give up.
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And now the painfull and humiliating admission
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on Apr 11, 2004 04:25 PM | Also by victorialondon
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So finallly the painfull and humiliating admission.
First ,Citizens for second chances might succeed,but they haven't yet Linda Z 's(Why doesn't she still post?,I miss her) son still seems to be posted in Michigan.
This is it..
My claim,that I was so proud of, that a British couple in Georgia had been posted for nude swimming ,and that they were taking it to the supreme court,is completely false,the couple that told me this by word of mouth,I mentioned the subject of American civil Liberties and "Megan's" law to them first,they were well dressed and well spoken.and this took me in,are apparently "tourists" as depicted in the film "fight club" who go round charities and groups telling stories,I don't know what they get out of it,they don't seem to try to take people for money in any way,and I just fell for a tall story they told. UGH!
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Message 130233 (In Reply to Message 130222)
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on Apr 11, 2004 09:34 PM | Also by steve
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First ,Citizens for second chances might succeed,but they haven't yet Linda Z 's(Why doesn't she still post?,I miss her) son still seems to be posted in Michigan.
Perhaps you can contact her and ask? I don't know and you've asked twice in the last few days.
My claim,that I was so proud of, that a British couple in Georgia had been posted for nude swimming ,and that they were taking it to the supreme court,is completely false,the couple that told me this by word of mouth,I mentioned the subject of American civil Liberties and "Megan's" law to them first,they were well dressed and well spoken.and this took me in,are apparently "tourists" as depicted in the film "fight club" who go round charities and groups telling stories,I don't know what they get out of it,they don't seem to try to take people for money in any way,and I just fell for a tall story they told. UGH!
I'm glad you got to the bottom of that. I wonder how many people read your many posts here about that British couple and assumed it was true. I'm sure you can see why I'm skeptical of unverified aneddotal evidence - especially involving specific people and incidents that should be easy to verify.
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Message 130234 (In Reply to Message 130218)
Getting cut off
Posted by steve
on Apr 11, 2004 09:39 PM | Also by steve
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I type so slowly that I keep getting cut off ,so I'll have to post this in pieces.
The site should keep you logged in for 4 hours. I'll be setting up an option to stay logged in indefinitely in the near future - sorry you're apparently being logged out before you finish a post. Until then you may want to write your long posts in another program and copy and paste then into the forum posting form when you're done. If you're using Microsoft Windows most programs will have a menu at the top with "Edit" on it, then "Copy" and "Paste" under it. If you don't know how to copy and paste let me know here or Private Message me through the site.
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Message 130235 (In Reply to Message 130219)
Posted by steve
on Apr 11, 2004 09:55 PM | Also by steve
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victorialondon, I'm finding it difficult to access and verify the articles you reference in the forums. Instead of posting tidbits like the date, author and some text from the article, could you please post the URL (web address) of the articles so it's easy for me and other readers to locate them? Also, could you copy and paste text you are quoting from any articles instead of typing it manually? I ask because it'll save you time and ensure accuracy. I located this article, but for example where you wrote "with a 13 year old boyfriend..." it actually read "with a 13 year old boyf" (boy, not boyfriend) and by changing it to boyfriend you changed the facts since that was neither stated nor implied.
I gather you may not know how to copy and paste and find URLs so I'll be glad to help you - just ask.
For reference, the original article can be found here:
http://www.ulaverne.edu/~ctimes/970228/megan228.htm
The article is actually an editorial written by a 2nd year college student 7 years ago (February 1997) for a California college newspaper. Since the people cited don't have their names mentioned, I can't verify the information and the alleged incidents were years ago just after Megan's Law was implemented in California, it's hard for me to give those incidents much credence. Please note that the U.S. federal version of Megan's Law wasn't passed until May 1996 and the California state version wasn't passed until September 1996 - a mere 5 months before the editorial was written and a few months after Megan's Law was actually implemented in California. Even if those incidents did occur Megan's Law was so new (it had just been implemented) and 7 years have passed that I don't think they're necessarilly relevant today if your point is that Megan's Law has certain negative effects.
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Message 130261 (In Reply to Message 130235)
Thanks for the tuition offer.
Posted by victorialondon
on Apr 12, 2004 01:57 PM | Also by victorialondon
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Dear Steve,
Yes thanks very much indeed for the tuition offer,I'll get back to you on that.
The Findlaw article can be found by typing "Findlaw: whats in a name?
Megan's law" into Google.The very long URL is :cobrands.public.findlaw.com/criminal/nolo/ency/ce94cff2-6000-4360-b25676- ba311048c7.html-13k.
The Robert e Freeman Longo article "Revisiting Megan's law.....,prevention or problem?" is of course archived on sexcriminals,everyone who posts or visits here should read it.
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Message 130262 (In Reply to Message 130150)
So there must be danger.
Posted by victorialondon
on Apr 12, 2004 02:06 PM | Also by victorialondon
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This case and the others apparently known of,shows that there is danger to an offender,and his/her family by being posted,and that the register has and can be used to hunt and attack.
I don't know what the statistical likelihood of this happenning to and individual is,but it exists.
Therefore how is it right to incur this danger in the case of this young man,when there seems no possible justification in terms of the public interest in posting him?
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129848, admin, Apr 06, 2004 01:23 PM [Introduction]
129883, dp1, Apr 07, 2004 03:06 AM
129892, steve, Apr 07, 2004 04:15 AM
129913, Silverthorne, Apr 07, 2004 08:45 AM
129954, orolan, Apr 07, 2004 09:50 PM
129989, poetsdreamscape, Apr 08, 2004 03:33 AM [either way]
130000, MrTruth, Apr 08, 2004 03:02 PM
130028, Silverthorne, Apr 09, 2004 01:27 AM [MrTruth]
130010, victorialondon, Apr 08, 2004 07:03 PM [Yes a lot must depend on the quality...]
130013, steve, Apr 08, 2004 08:08 PM
130060, victorialondon, Apr 09, 2004 02:47 PM [We agree more than you think.]
130065, steve, Apr 09, 2004 05:24 PM
130145, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 02:55 PM [Thanks for the criticisms]
130147, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 04:39 PM [I seem to have got c...]
130148, steve, Apr 10, 2004 04:59 PM
130149, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 05:32 PM [You asked me for ...]
130150, LostTime, Apr 10, 2004 05:40 PM [hunting so's]
130155, steve, Apr 10, 2004 08:37 PM
130214, Silverthorne, Apr 11, 2004 08:18 AM [Civil Commitment]
130262, victorialondon, Apr 12, 2004 02:06 PM [So there must ...]
130152, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 06:06 PM [You asked me for eviden...]
130218, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 03:24 PM [Now about drunken mo...]
130221, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 04:07 PM [CONTINUED(I,m sor...]
130222, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 04:25 PM [And now the painf...]
130233, steve, Apr 11, 2004 09:34 PM
130234, steve, Apr 11, 2004 09:39 PM [Getting cut off]
130219, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 03:44 PM [CONTINUED]
130235, steve, Apr 11, 2004 09:55 PM
130261, victorialondon, Apr 12, 2004 01:57 PM [Thanks for the...]
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