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Thread (Discussion): [The Athens News] OU says student sex offender can stay in his dorm

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Message 130152 (In Reply to Message 130065)
You asked me for evidence(I just posted that title by mistake on my previous post)

Posted by victorialondon on Apr 10, 2004 06:06 PM | Also by victorialondon

Gender: Female, Age Bracket: 70+, State: N/A, Country: United Kingdom

You asked me for evidence annecdotal and statistical.
I can give the first,but not the second.
It is in fact impossible to gain any overall statistical picture from the websites,all your given is a general description or a statute number,the same description or number can cover a number of things,"Sodomy" or the number for it can for example mean either rape,child abuse,and sex between consenting adults(possibly in a car or behind bushes and therefore "public" indecent exposure or public indecency can either be a very sick nuisance offence,or just a piece of drunken and/or juvenile horseplay(I will provide examples of this soon).
But in this case regarding the situation regarding "Romeo and Juliet" offenders,I direct everyone to the website of the pressure group "Citizens for second chances" which is linked to sexcriminals ,this was set up on this very issue and since then they have had contacts from other parents throughout the country from other parents who find themselves in this situation.I couldn't give you statistics on this.I don't know if they could.
A recent tragic case (I ask Steve to post the news items,oops there I go again perhaps he already has) which this site highlights is that of 20 year old (younger at the time of the offence) Gayle Fawcett who committed suicide after having plead guilty to a minor offence in a plea bargain under which he would not be posted,was posted nevertheless.But I think this is worth a thread on the general forum so I'll pursue this there.
The CSC site posts links to articles on the subject of this,and other Romeo and Juliet abuses,from the Detroit free press.
I'll be back to give sources for what I've said about "drunken mooners" ect.

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Message 130065

Posted by steve on Apr 09, 2004 05:24 PM | Also by steve

Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: Virginia, Country: United States

victorialondon,

I'd like to make a friendly recommendation that you consider focusing on less issues in each of your posts and provide more evidence to back your views than repeating the same things over and over without any real evidence.  I keep an open mind and my views since I founded the site in 1998 have been influenced and changed in part by what others here have said, but your posts seem like nothing more than unfocused anti-American propaganda than attempts to persuade with supporting evidence.  Sure, the student at Ohio University could be firebombed, but are the odds of violence or murder as a result of his listing on the public registry statistically much more likely than that of the average citizen?  If you compile enough anecdotal evidence with some study results and stats sprinkled in I could be persuaded, but if you just say it could happen and you comdemn the registries because you heard about some cases of skinnydippers, mooners, Romeo and Juliets being listed, but can't point to real examples or the extent of the situation your arguments carry no weight with me.  I'm not trying to be rude, but without something real to persuade me that there's a problem why shouldn't I discount what you say and eventually ignore it since you continue to repeat it over and over again, never making a stronger case for your position?

Interestingly, I've read at least a handful of articles from the U.K. over the last few months about citizens banishing sex offenders from their towns, threatening them or performing acts of vigilantism against them.  I don't know how prevelant this behavior is in the U.K., I'm sure the media there jumps all over these cases which makes them seem more prevalent than they may really be and it's obviously just anecdotal evidence, but there aren't public sex offender registries in the U.K., correct?  Yet, it seems there's the very same vigilantism actually happening in the U.K. that you condemn the U.S. for which actually does have public registries.

Here's a story of vigilantism and threats against a 41 year old convicted of assaulting a 14 year old girl - <a href="http://www.sexcriminals.com/news-archive/#17186">Sex offender not safe, say parents</a>.  And I'm quite sure you're aware of this story since it got tons of media coverage in December- <a href="http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/content_objectid=13723232_method=full_siteid=50002_headline=-Paedophile-link-to-murder-name_page.html">Paedophile link to murder</a>.  You may even have heard about the dozens of newsgroups in the U.K. sharing information on suspected pedophiles and encouraging people to hunt them down (January) - <a href="http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/content_objectid=13780373_method=full_siteid=50002_headline=-Vigilante-fears-from-paedophile-hitlist-name_page.html">Vigilante fears from paedophile hitlist</a>.  And these were just articles that were listed here at SexCriminals.com and I remembered.

Any comments on what's happening in the U.K. which DOESN'T have a public sex offender registry?

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129848, admin, Apr 06, 2004 01:23 PM [Introduction]
      129883, dp1, Apr 07, 2004 03:06 AM
            129892, steve, Apr 07, 2004 04:15 AM
      129913, Silverthorne, Apr 07, 2004 08:45 AM
            129954, orolan, Apr 07, 2004 09:50 PM
                  129989, poetsdreamscape, Apr 08, 2004 03:33 AM [either way]
                        130000, MrTruth, Apr 08, 2004 03:02 PM
                              130028, Silverthorne, Apr 09, 2004 01:27 AM [MrTruth]
            130010, victorialondon, Apr 08, 2004 07:03 PM [Yes a lot must depend on the quality...]
                  130013, steve, Apr 08, 2004 08:08 PM
                        130060, victorialondon, Apr 09, 2004 02:47 PM [We agree more than you think.]
                              130065, steve, Apr 09, 2004 05:24 PM
                                    130145, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 02:55 PM [Thanks for the criticisms]
                                          130147, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 04:39 PM [I seem to have got c...]
                                          130148, steve, Apr 10, 2004 04:59 PM
                                                130149, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 05:32 PM [You asked me for ...]
                                                130150, LostTime, Apr 10, 2004 05:40 PM [hunting so's]
                                                      130155, steve, Apr 10, 2004 08:37 PM
                                                            130214, Silverthorne, Apr 11, 2004 08:18 AM [Civil Commitment]
                                                      130262, victorialondon, Apr 12, 2004 02:06 PM [So there must ...]
                                    130152, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 06:06 PM [You asked me for eviden...]
                                          130218, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 03:24 PM [Now about drunken mo...]
                                                130221, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 04:07 PM [CONTINUED(I,m sor...]
                                                130222, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 04:25 PM [And now the painf...]
                                                      130233, steve, Apr 11, 2004 09:34 PM
                                                130234, steve, Apr 11, 2004 09:39 PM [Getting cut off]
                                          130219, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 03:44 PM [CONTINUED]
                                                130235, steve, Apr 11, 2004 09:55 PM
                                                      130261, victorialondon, Apr 12, 2004 01:57 PM [Thanks for the...]

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Message 130152 (In Reply to Message 130065)
You asked me for evidence(I just posted that title by mistake on my previous post)