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Thread (Discussion): [The Athens News] OU says student sex offender can stay in his dorm

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Message 130065 (In Reply to Message 130060)

Posted by steve on Apr 09, 2004 05:24 PM | Also by steve

Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: Virginia, Country: United States

victorialondon,

I'd like to make a friendly recommendation that you consider focusing on less issues in each of your posts and provide more evidence to back your views than repeating the same things over and over without any real evidence. I keep an open mind and my views since I founded the site in 1998 have been influenced and changed in part by what others here have said, but your posts seem like nothing more than unfocused anti-American propaganda than attempts to persuade with supporting evidence. Sure, the student at Ohio University could be firebombed, but are the odds of violence or murder as a result of his listing on the public registry statistically much more likely than that of the average citizen? If you compile enough anecdotal evidence with some study results and stats sprinkled in I could be persuaded, but if you just say it could happen and you comdemn the registries because you heard about some cases of skinnydippers, mooners, Romeo and Juliets being listed, but can't point to real examples or the extent of the situation your arguments carry no weight with me. I'm not trying to be rude, but without something real to persuade me that there's a problem why shouldn't I discount what you say and eventually ignore it since you continue to repeat it over and over again, never making a stronger case for your position?

Interestingly, I've read at least a handful of articles from the U.K. over the last few months about citizens banishing sex offenders from their towns, threatening them or performing acts of vigilantism against them. I don't know how prevelant this behavior is in the U.K., I'm sure the media there jumps all over these cases which makes them seem more prevalent than they may really be and it's obviously just anecdotal evidence, but there aren't public sex offender registries in the U.K., correct? Yet, it seems there's the very same vigilantism actually happening in the U.K. that you condemn the U.S. for which actually does have public registries.

Here's a story of vigilantism and threats against a 41 year old convicted of assaulting a 14 year old girl - Sex offender not safe, say parents. And I'm quite sure you're aware of this story since it got tons of media coverage in December- Paedophile link to murder. You may even have heard about the dozens of newsgroups in the U.K. sharing information on suspected pedophiles and encouraging people to hunt them down (January) - Vigilante fears from paedophile hitlist. And these were just articles that were listed here at SexCriminals.com and I remembered.

Any comments on what's happening in the U.K. which DOESN'T have a public sex offender registry?

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Message 130060
We agree more than you think.

Posted by victorialondon on Apr 09, 2004 02:47 PM | Also by victorialondon

Gender: Female, Age Bracket: 70+, State: N/A, Country: United Kingdom

Of course what I wrote about the quality of legal representation doesn't just apply to the USA.The reason why it's stressed as regards America is that your country alone out of western society has capital punishment,perhaps you don't hear so much of it in Greece ,or this country since Greece and Britain have abolished capital punishment,and are better and cleaner places for having done so.
If he lives in a dorm with others(who might attack him,or be misidentified as him),he surely doesn't all the time,and will be with his family sometimes,the fact he is on a public registry puts him and them(possibly including child siblings)at risk,they could be firebombed,no one can quantify this risk or say how high it is,you cannot say that the risk is "theoretical"if they are burned it won't only be in theory they have been burned.So the risk shouldn't exist unneccessarily ,and this plainly is unneccessary.
The point is that the term "Megan's" law means that the extreme case of a murdered child is used to corrall in many offenders like this youngster,in no way capable of such an act,and so misleading the public that there's thousands of potential child killers out there,with everyone convicted of a designated "sexual" offence covered by a term that makes it seem they will next kill a child.
In this way public anger and hysteria is incited ,and those posted,and their families put at danger.
You are right to say it's to do with politics ,and vote catching,politicians are making political capital out of this in the same way that previous politicians exploited witchunts and Mc Carthyism.
As for "Sarah's" law in this country,the government has not enacted in it even such an enemy of civil rights Home secretary David Blunkett has said "Can I tell those campaigning, quietly,that we cannot hand over to mobs who can't distiguish paedophiles from paediatricians"(a paediatrician and her family were attacked here by a vigilante mob,confusing the terms).
The campaign for "Sarah's" law was run,almost exclusivly, by the News of the World "newspaper" a pornographic sheet of hate an lies(they had to pay out half a million pounds to those wrongly identified) who exploited the poor Payne parents when they were in shock.Since then they have both suffered severe depression ,and poor Michael Payne has attempted suicide.They apparently believed that "Megan's" law only posted high risk predators,when they learned of the "Romeo and Juliets",drunken mooners(no I can't point out anyone on the sites posted for "drunken mooning" or "nude swimming" the description is "indecent exposure" or "public indecency")ect,ect.They were deeply hurt feeling the American campaigners for "Megan's" law had misled them.

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129848, admin, Apr 06, 2004 01:23 PM [Introduction]
      129883, dp1, Apr 07, 2004 03:06 AM
            129892, steve, Apr 07, 2004 04:15 AM
      129913, Silverthorne, Apr 07, 2004 08:45 AM
            129954, orolan, Apr 07, 2004 09:50 PM
                  129989, poetsdreamscape, Apr 08, 2004 03:33 AM [either way]
                        130000, MrTruth, Apr 08, 2004 03:02 PM
                              130028, Silverthorne, Apr 09, 2004 01:27 AM [MrTruth]
            130010, victorialondon, Apr 08, 2004 07:03 PM [Yes a lot must depend on the quality...]
                  130013, steve, Apr 08, 2004 08:08 PM
                        130060, victorialondon, Apr 09, 2004 02:47 PM [We agree more than you think.]
                              130065, steve, Apr 09, 2004 05:24 PM
                                    130145, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 02:55 PM [Thanks for the criticisms]
                                          130147, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 04:39 PM [I seem to have got c...]
                                          130148, steve, Apr 10, 2004 04:59 PM
                                                130149, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 05:32 PM [You asked me for ...]
                                                130150, LostTime, Apr 10, 2004 05:40 PM [hunting so's]
                                                      130155, steve, Apr 10, 2004 08:37 PM
                                                            130214, Silverthorne, Apr 11, 2004 08:18 AM [Civil Commitment]
                                                      130262, victorialondon, Apr 12, 2004 02:06 PM [So there must ...]
                                    130152, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 06:06 PM [You asked me for eviden...]
                                          130218, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 03:24 PM [Now about drunken mo...]
                                                130221, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 04:07 PM [CONTINUED(I,m sor...]
                                                130222, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 04:25 PM [And now the painf...]
                                                      130233, steve, Apr 11, 2004 09:34 PM
                                                130234, steve, Apr 11, 2004 09:39 PM [Getting cut off]
                                          130219, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 03:44 PM [CONTINUED]
                                                130235, steve, Apr 11, 2004 09:55 PM
                                                      130261, victorialondon, Apr 12, 2004 01:57 PM [Thanks for the...]

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Thread (Discussion): [The Athens News] OU says student sex offender can stay in his dorm

Message 130060
We agree more than you think.