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Thread (Discussion): [The Athens News] OU says student sex offender can stay in his dorm

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Message 130060 (In Reply to Message 130013)
We agree more than you think.

Posted by victorialondon on Apr 09, 2004 02:47 PM | Also by victorialondon

Gender: Female, Age Bracket: 70+, State: N/A, Country: United Kingdom

Of course what I wrote about the quality of legal representation doesn't just apply to the USA.The reason why it's stressed as regards America is that your country alone out of western society has capital punishment,perhaps you don't hear so much of it in Greece ,or this country since Greece and Britain have abolished capital punishment,and are better and cleaner places for having done so.
If he lives in a dorm with others(who might attack him,or be misidentified as him),he surely doesn't all the time,and will be with his family sometimes,the fact he is on a public registry puts him and them(possibly including child siblings)at risk,they could be firebombed,no one can quantify this risk or say how high it is,you cannot say that the risk is "theoretical"if they are burned it won't only be in theory they have been burned.So the risk shouldn't exist unneccessarily ,and this plainly is unneccessary.
The point is that the term "Megan's" law means that the extreme case of a murdered child is used to corrall in many offenders like this youngster,in no way capable of such an act,and so misleading the public that there's thousands of potential child killers out there,with everyone convicted of a designated "sexual" offence covered by a term that makes it seem they will next kill a child.
In this way public anger and hysteria is incited ,and those posted,and their families put at danger.
You are right to say it's to do with politics ,and vote catching,politicians are making political capital out of this in the same way that previous politicians exploited witchunts and Mc Carthyism.
As for "Sarah's" law in this country,the government has not enacted in it even such an enemy of civil rights Home secretary David Blunkett has said "Can I tell those campaigning, quietly,that we cannot hand over to mobs who can't distiguish paedophiles from paediatricians"(a paediatrician and her family were attacked here by a vigilante mob,confusing the terms).
The campaign for "Sarah's" law was run,almost exclusivly, by the News of the World "newspaper" a pornographic sheet of hate an lies(they had to pay out half a million pounds to those wrongly identified) who exploited the poor Payne parents when they were in shock.Since then they have both suffered severe depression ,and poor Michael Payne has attempted suicide.They apparently believed that "Megan's" law only posted high risk predators,when they learned of the "Romeo and Juliets",drunken mooners(no I can't point out anyone on the sites posted for "drunken mooning" or "nude swimming" the description is "indecent exposure" or "public indecency")ect,ect.They were deeply hurt feeling the American campaigners for "Megan's" law had misled them.

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Posted by steve on Apr 08, 2004 08:08 PM | Also by steve

Gender: Male, Age Bracket: 30 - 39, State: Virginia, Country: United States

<blockquote>Plainly as notoriously with capital punishment(eg it was never even sought with O J Simpson) the quality of the legal defence that can be afforded is a crucial factor here.The Black Romeo ,or the Romeo from "the wrong side of the tracks" is much more likely to be pilloried than the Romeo from the vanilla suburb.</blockquote>

There's no doubt money buys a better defense.  And there's no doubt that the human element and personal beliefs play a part in who is prosecuted, the effort a prosecutor might put into a case and what a judge and jury might decide, though the law is supposed to be blind.  That's the case for all crimes though and probably is the case in most countries, not just the U.S. so I'm not sure how this is any more pertinent here in the U.S. for sex offenders than it would be say in Greece for murderers.

<blockquote>But why o why is this young man registered on a public register at all?why is his young life being so blighted?with likely danger to his family as well as him?</blockquote>

I'm skeptical about the likely danger you refer to. He lives in a dorm with people 18+ in age. He was convicted of having a consensual sexual relationship at age 18 with a 13 year old. The school doesn't consider him a risk and the Athens News presented the story very professionally - even leaving out his name, his race (he's black) and steps to find his identity and information. For the record, you can find his <a href="http://www.esorn.ag.state.oh.us/Secured/p23.aspx?oid=26813">offender details here</a>. Since I believe in teaching people how to fish, here's how I found it. I clicked "Sex Offender Registry" found at the top of all pages on SexCriminals.com, clicked "Ohio" and clicked the link under the heading "Online Registry / Online Directory" which took me to the Ohio Sex Offender Registry. Here's where it gets tricky. You can do a name search, but it's not clear whether it's just for names (you can actually search names and Zip Codes there). I typed in a random name, found no results and on the next page I clicked "New Search" which pulls up a different page which lets you enter a name, Zip Code, county or school district. I would have entered the county of Athens, but since the school's Zip Code of 45701 was mentioned in the article I searched on it. Since there was a column "age" I scanned it, saw the fifth listing said "19", clicked it and it was him.

<blockquote>Is he now going to go and rape and murder a 7 year old?so why is he subject to what is called "Megan's" law?
The campaigners for "Megan's" law and the Politicians must be confronted with this ,and the numerous similar cases?</blockquote>

That's rediculous. It's not called Megan's Law because it's meant soley to prevent incidents involving little girls kidnapped, raped and murdered and nothing else. It's politics and human nature plain and simple. Some people wanted community notification and politicians want votes. If a politician has his choice of using the name of a little girl from a high profile heinous case with tons of media attention whose parents were getting even more media attention for advocating community notification or instead using the name of a kid who was sexually abused by the man nextdoor who babysat him and no one was aware of the kid's name or that case whose name do you think the politician and advocacy groups would use. I have no doubt you're familiar with Sarah Payne and <a href="http://www.forsarah.com/html/welcome.html">Sarah's Law</a> in your very own U.K. Have anything to say about it?

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129848, admin, Apr 06, 2004 01:23 PM [Introduction]
      129883, dp1, Apr 07, 2004 03:06 AM
            129892, steve, Apr 07, 2004 04:15 AM
      129913, Silverthorne, Apr 07, 2004 08:45 AM
            129954, orolan, Apr 07, 2004 09:50 PM
                  129989, poetsdreamscape, Apr 08, 2004 03:33 AM [either way]
                        130000, MrTruth, Apr 08, 2004 03:02 PM
                              130028, Silverthorne, Apr 09, 2004 01:27 AM [MrTruth]
            130010, victorialondon, Apr 08, 2004 07:03 PM [Yes a lot must depend on the quality...]
                  130013, steve, Apr 08, 2004 08:08 PM
                        130060, victorialondon, Apr 09, 2004 02:47 PM [We agree more than you think.]
                              130065, steve, Apr 09, 2004 05:24 PM
                                    130145, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 02:55 PM [Thanks for the criticisms]
                                          130147, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 04:39 PM [I seem to have got c...]
                                          130148, steve, Apr 10, 2004 04:59 PM
                                                130149, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 05:32 PM [You asked me for ...]
                                                130150, LostTime, Apr 10, 2004 05:40 PM [hunting so's]
                                                      130155, steve, Apr 10, 2004 08:37 PM
                                                            130214, Silverthorne, Apr 11, 2004 08:18 AM [Civil Commitment]
                                                      130262, victorialondon, Apr 12, 2004 02:06 PM [So there must ...]
                                    130152, victorialondon, Apr 10, 2004 06:06 PM [You asked me for eviden...]
                                          130218, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 03:24 PM [Now about drunken mo...]
                                                130221, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 04:07 PM [CONTINUED(I,m sor...]
                                                130222, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 04:25 PM [And now the painf...]
                                                      130233, steve, Apr 11, 2004 09:34 PM
                                                130234, steve, Apr 11, 2004 09:39 PM [Getting cut off]
                                          130219, victorialondon, Apr 11, 2004 03:44 PM [CONTINUED]
                                                130235, steve, Apr 11, 2004 09:55 PM
                                                      130261, victorialondon, Apr 12, 2004 01:57 PM [Thanks for the...]

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Thread (Discussion): [The Athens News] OU says student sex offender can stay in his dorm

Message 130060 (In Reply to Message 130013)
We agree more than you think.